BBC spins positive piece
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The revolution goes primetime.
There are ominous words in this piece - "The Department of Health are investigating"
If they have got their teeth into this, do not expect a happy outcome.
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what a great ad for an unknown supplier. They can all expect another sales spike.
Do you think this is them?: www.smokeit.tv
They sell a disposable model for £10 and a gammucci for £40
Interesting that they classed it "borderline"
I don't know Pete. My Doctor had a good look at my Classic and said he did'nt see a problem.
I'm on High Blood Pressure medication for the rest of my life and i've had my BP taken every month since September and it's lower than it was when i was smoking.
As far as my Dr is concerned if it's keeping me off the Cigarettes he's happy.
Another thing is this is not a very good time for the Government to lose any money on VAT and their trying to get people into business not out of it.
Foxhunting is banned but on Boxing Day all the Hunt's carried on without one Arrest on the Hunter's side. There were a few on the Protester's side though.
Having said all that though we do seem to have a Government which has the combined intelligence of 2 Donkey's.
Having said all that though we do seem to have a Government which has the combined intelligence of 2 Donkey's.
We can only hope for a happy outcome. I suspect that if you combine the untested and unregulated nature of e-liquid with the loss of duty to the government a ban looks likely. I hope I'm wrong.
Borderline... thats about right, pretty much sums up this government and its policies! Ban or no ban I'm gonna still vape... plenty of outlets around the world to get juice and supplies... its about time we all stood up against archaic rule. If a ban ever comes about in the UK it'll just go to show the 'concern' over smoking tobacco and its negative impact on health was just a smokescreen (nice pun?)... they don't give a damn about an individuals health it has and always will be about how much tax they can screw! Afterall the govt has been funded quite nicely to the tune of 5 billion GBP or so per annum from smokers for sometime now ;-)
O/T: That a nifty avatar etab, you have permission to fly in the airspace of my stack lol
I think the e-cig will be a true acid test of how much the powers that are really care about the health of smokers and their ability to find a pragmatic solution in balancing the interests of all the interested parties.
The lobbying from the tobacco industry, the providers of medical quitting aids and the pressure to keep up those tax revenues from smokers will be incredibly strong. And then of course you have those ever growing annoying puritan tendencies against any recreational substance use to cope with.
Realistically some sort of (rather high) tax and a rigorous testing/approval scheme for liquids and devices is probably the best outcome we can hope for in the UK in the long run, although unfortunately I think that it's rather likely that it will simply be banned under some shady pretext as soon as vaping becomes common enough to be seen as a real issue, but before there are enough vapers to be a force to be reckoned with.
The lobbying from the tobacco industry, the providers of medical quitting aids and the pressure to keep up those tax revenues from smokers will be incredibly strong. And then of course you have those ever growing annoying puritan tendencies against any recreational substance use to cope with.
Realistically some sort of (rather high) tax and a rigorous testing/approval scheme for liquids and devices is probably the best outcome we can hope for in the UK in the long run, although unfortunately I think that it's rather likely that it will simply be banned under some shady pretext as soon as vaping becomes common enough to be seen as a real issue, but before there are enough vapers to be a force to be reckoned with.
lol... heavy day at the office... needed one almighty VAPE! Thanks but I'm staying clear of your stack... looks a bit analogy to me haha ;-)
if the nicotine is extracted from tobacco leaf then the liquid is of tobacco leaf origin , therefore e-cigs will fall under the ban because they contain tobacco derivative product.
that's my reading on "border-line"
that's my reading on "border-line"
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Exactly the way I think it will go in the UK. I could live with tax, as long as it is not ridiculous and I would welcome rigorous testing. The longer they wait to act the better, more users means more influence but we are on their radar now, it is going to be a close call.
Same here. It's just not realistic to think that the gov will just give up such a large amount of income without a fight and I suppose it's just the price we have to pay in this case. I am also quite sure that the vast majority of vapers would welcome rigorous testing to ensure the quality and safety of the product.
In the end it will probably simply depend on whether the pragmatists or the dogmatists will prevail. The pragmatists will see that a tax-neutral solution with health benefits is an overall win, while the dogmatists will simply see e-cigs as as a threat to their goal of total eradication of recreational nicotine use.
Trouble with regulation (if indeed e-cig products are not just handed a blanket overnight ban) is we will no doubt end up with bureaucratic OVER regulation of liquids/carts. All the high nicotine products will be dismissed out of hand (on the grounds that its encouraging addiction, not helping reduce it ala NRT) and in will come the almighty let down of all cigarette imposters... basically a wimped out Silk Cut vape! I'm not totally againist regulation - a detailed breakdown of chemical composition, purity, must surely be welcomed, which TW does already, but I honestly don't see the future of e-juice being that rosey here in the UK at least.
Frankly I'd welcome taxation, as long as it buys me e-liquid of known provenance, clinical testing of the same, and freedom to vape it without interference.
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Overregulation is certainly a danger. I always thought that the low nicotine cap on analogs was just plain stupid. People just smoked more to get their fix and the only true beneficiaries were the tobacco industry and the state who both earned more as more cigarettes were sold. I still remember the decline in pleasure I got from my once favourite analogs (Davidoff Magnums) when the manufacturers were forced to drop the nicotine and tar content to stay in line with the limits. I ended up smoking more of them and spending more money in the end in exchange for the privilege of a less pleasurable experience
Well said... so true!
I do recall many moons ago some health boffins suggesting smoking fewer high nicotine/tar level ciggies was actually 'better' than lots of ultra low tar for this very reason. But I guess thats obvious ;-)
I do recall many moons ago some health boffins suggesting smoking fewer high nicotine/tar level ciggies was actually 'better' than lots of ultra low tar for this very reason. But I guess thats obvious ;-)
It was a pretty balanced piece, indeed, though I was dismayed to hear the "water vapour" misrepresentation voiced yet again. Still, it was mostly upside, and it did highlight the need for the public to be educated as to how very different from cigarette smoking vaping actually is.
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