Well...it seems I am a pariah now for some reason. Don't really understand how I am the troll in this situation. I think I'll just delete my account now and go on my merry way! Happy vaping and enjoy your conspiracy theories about me and the government.
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Pariah? No. You just unsuccessfully presented an argument that lacks substance and facts to support an agency that is rightfully held in contempt and distrusted on this board.
No don't leave! It's ok to disagree.My family doesn't always agree. Heck different religions, different politics , different personalities, all in my family. But are with each other to the end no matter what. Staying here can provide support, and knowledge.
The gov't? well thats like religion - always a controversial subject. I don't trust them based on experience, not some conspiracy theory. The FDA will come out with their recommodations ansd we will see what happens then, but it won't be the end of the world regardless.
Bingo--the FDA could care less about what is 'good' for a society. Follow the MONEY--that is what drives all decisions to 'NANNY' the population. It is always about control and money. For proof I don't need links--listen to the Big Pharma commercials encouraging us to take 'drugs' that do more HARM than GOOD.
They have now resorted to creating drugs--that make the other drugs 'work'--so now there are two drugs to fill the coffers, rather than just the one.
I don't believe the FDA has any concern about whether something is 'harmful' or not--if you remain aware--you will see that they make a big deal out of something that is not good for you--prices go up--people jump on the bandwagon and 'judge' other people who choose to drink--eat whatever...almost to the day, two years later there is another 'study' that disproves everything in the first study.
Those 'studies' are usually funded by grants from the federal gov't. or the deep pockets of BP...
I can take care of myself--I don't listen to any of it, in order to 'change' my behavior or what I eat or drink. It can be entertaining though.
They have now resorted to creating drugs--that make the other drugs 'work'--so now there are two drugs to fill the coffers, rather than just the one.
I don't believe the FDA has any concern about whether something is 'harmful' or not--if you remain aware--you will see that they make a big deal out of something that is not good for you--prices go up--people jump on the bandwagon and 'judge' other people who choose to drink--eat whatever...almost to the day, two years later there is another 'study' that disproves everything in the first study.
Those 'studies' are usually funded by grants from the federal gov't. or the deep pockets of BP...
I can take care of myself--I don't listen to any of it, in order to 'change' my behavior or what I eat or drink. It can be entertaining though.
This was a survey given to the scientists at the FDA in which they responded to questions regarding political and business influence. Although there is an improvement since the prior survey, many scientists feel there is still a significant problem with 'influence' on what is supposed to be an objective agency:
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/scientific_integrity/fda-survey-report-2011.pdf
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/scientific_integrity/fda-survey-report-2011.pdf
I find it revolting that they advertise medications to the public at all. It should be the doctors doing the prescribing, not the public asking them for prescriptions for the latest thing because a commercial looked appealing.
If e-cigs had been regulated for the last year, I'd still be smoking.
I wouldn't have purchased vaping hardware without the added possibility of saving money. Figured if I could just cut my smoking in half for 2 months, the equipment was paid for.
Tried the patch. The strongest (21mg) one wasn't strong enough. Cost as much as smoking. Couldn't afford to double my nicotine expense to try stronger.
Nicotine gum is expensive, gum is not and neither is nicotine.
If It's regulated, Vaping will cost as much as smoking.
Small businesses can't afford to deal with regulation. Who can? Big Pharma and Tobacco, that's who.
I don't believe this is about my health at all. It's about money and power plain and simple.
I would like to see some self regulation. Perhaps a standard or association similar to UL
"UL operates under its own authority as an independent, not-for-profit, nongovernmental organization"
"To establish certification, samples of a product submitted by manufacturers for certification are tested and evaluated. If UL decides the product fulfills all applicable requirements it authorizes the manufacturer to apply a certification mark"
Now that sounds nice.
I wouldn't have purchased vaping hardware without the added possibility of saving money. Figured if I could just cut my smoking in half for 2 months, the equipment was paid for.
Tried the patch. The strongest (21mg) one wasn't strong enough. Cost as much as smoking. Couldn't afford to double my nicotine expense to try stronger.
Nicotine gum is expensive, gum is not and neither is nicotine.
If It's regulated, Vaping will cost as much as smoking.
Small businesses can't afford to deal with regulation. Who can? Big Pharma and Tobacco, that's who.
I don't believe this is about my health at all. It's about money and power plain and simple.
I would like to see some self regulation. Perhaps a standard or association similar to UL
"UL operates under its own authority as an independent, not-for-profit, nongovernmental organization"
"To establish certification, samples of a product submitted by manufacturers for certification are tested and evaluated. If UL decides the product fulfills all applicable requirements it authorizes the manufacturer to apply a certification mark"
Now that sounds nice.
Gotta love it when a newb comes along to tell everyone who's been doing something for many years how wrong they are. Here's a hint, don't do that. Wait until you actually learn why people are doing the things or thinking the way you don't approve of.
I'm sorry but it is the OP who is ignorant.
The FDA has never done anything to make us think anything but that they want to do away with vaping. The government has done nothing to make us think anything but that.
The second I see the government come out and say something to support vaping on some level I'll change my mind on that.
This is the FDA who was illegally seizing shipments. This is the FDA who sent threatening letters to perfectly legit businesses. This is the FDA who wrongfully claimed ecigs were a medical device and banned them. This is the FDA who spun their test results to create the claims of anti-freeze and carcinogens. This is the FDA who presently put almost every well known ANTZ in the country in charge of running the tests you desire to draft their innocent regulation for our safety.
Exactly what do you see in the link you supplied?
I see, lie, lie, lie, lie, propaganda-ish link, lie, lie, begging for proof of their lies, their intentions, admitting to their previous illegal operations and harassment (and lying about it), claims of their omnipotent authority, advertising for the pharmaceutical companies they take bribes from.
That sure doesn't tell me they're going to do the right thing.
How can people be this blind to their government?
Who do you think recently raised the tax on RYO 2000% (that was Obama not raising taxes on poor people) and the tax on pipe tobacco 200% in exchange for a smaller increase on cigarettes in an agreement with Phillip Morris? That wasn't each state doing that or there would still be places to get cheap RYO cigarette tobacco instead of having to get pipe tobacco cuts for RYO.
What do you think the T in ATF stands for?
I'm sorry but it is the OP who is ignorant.
The FDA has never done anything to make us think anything but that they want to do away with vaping. The government has done nothing to make us think anything but that.
The second I see the government come out and say something to support vaping on some level I'll change my mind on that.
This is the FDA who was illegally seizing shipments. This is the FDA who sent threatening letters to perfectly legit businesses. This is the FDA who wrongfully claimed ecigs were a medical device and banned them. This is the FDA who spun their test results to create the claims of anti-freeze and carcinogens. This is the FDA who presently put almost every well known ANTZ in the country in charge of running the tests you desire to draft their innocent regulation for our safety.
Exactly what do you see in the link you supplied?
I see, lie, lie, lie, lie, propaganda-ish link, lie, lie, begging for proof of their lies, their intentions, admitting to their previous illegal operations and harassment (and lying about it), claims of their omnipotent authority, advertising for the pharmaceutical companies they take bribes from.
That sure doesn't tell me they're going to do the right thing.
How can people be this blind to their government?
Who do you think recently raised the tax on RYO 2000% (that was Obama not raising taxes on poor people) and the tax on pipe tobacco 200% in exchange for a smaller increase on cigarettes in an agreement with Phillip Morris? That wasn't each state doing that or there would still be places to get cheap RYO cigarette tobacco instead of having to get pipe tobacco cuts for RYO.
What do you think the T in ATF stands for?
yea, its a bit hard for me to trust the fda. they let a lot of things slip by due to lobying and they also choose to restrict certain things due to lobying. this is blatantly obvious.
great point though! your thread does nothing but make us think about things in a different light!!
great point though! your thread does nothing but make us think about things in a different light!!
Oddly, so many seem to trust the FDA when it comes to how safe vaping PG and VG are...
I agree. I think that's absolutely bizarre. Besides the fact that if you have to tell your doctor about a drug, do you really want such an uninformed person to be prescribing you anything? The doctor couldn't have come to conclusions on his own based on your symptoms? "Oh yeah, Mr. Jones, you know, that DOES sound good. Let's start you out on...how many milligrams did the commercial say?"
The whole advertisement to the public thing is so freakish I don't even know which end to pick it up by.
Advertising of prescription drugs just gives me the willies.
My FORMER mother in law (1st marriage not current one) would deliberately get a new PDR every year so she could go shopping in it for "good pills". She would then walk into the Dr office (usually one she had never been to before) andgive him her pitch to get the drug (it usually worked). NOTE: I edited this so as not to advertise the working pitch.. That was BEFORE medication ads on tv. I shudder what she would do now had she lived this long.
On another point. I find I am really not liking the eCIg adds on TV. This "Take back your freedom" stuff although desirable to me as a vaper has REAL potential to backfire bigtime. I can just see the ANTZ salivating and frothing at the opportunity to squish us all the harder for having the audacity to put out that kind of add. It just feels like drawing a line in the sand to me with the ANTZ ont he other side saying "You are on!"
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Anything would have that effect with the ANTZ. You have two choices with them, quit or die, they've already drawn that line. Unless you plan on picking one of those it's already on.
As far as the ads go what can they advertise? They can't say it's healthIER. They can't say quit smoking, vape instead. "It's cheaper" probably doesn't apply to the ones that advertise. "Don't pay taxes" would be picking a bigger fight.
Don't advertise? Fewer people know about it, lower numbers means we lose.
Ya, this went downhill quite quickly. I typically give people the benefit of the doubt when they voice controversial opinions. Unless it's really obviously they have ulterior motives. Your posts in this thread are taking me down that path. Specially this last one.
IMO you would do better in future if you spent some time on a new forum, got to know the issues that people care about, how the community feels about things and let people get to know you before you try to change that community. Just my
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