Being the Devil's Advocate Here : If you are vaping with Nicotine juice, you ARE still a "smoker"..
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I'm a vaper. I vape. I love to vape. It's a /safer/ alternative way to get nicotine. I love vaping and don't plan on stopping. 
As an adult we have the right to choose what we put into our bodies. When I was a smoker I loved to smoke. I loved sitting around with friends, hanging out and smoking. Now I sit around with my friends and vape.
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As an adult we have the right to choose what we put into our bodies. When I was a smoker I loved to smoke. I loved sitting around with friends, hanging out and smoking. Now I sit around with my friends and vape. Sent from my iPhone because I'm awesome like that.
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The difference to me is this...when I smoked I always blew the smoke out my nose, I do while vaping too BUT when smoking my nose always stayed full of black gunk and it drove me so crazy I started using wet q-tips to clean my nose out at night and I always though if my nose is like this imagine what my lungs look like (sorry if I'm grossing anyone out) since vaping no more black gunk in nose. I'll keep vaping and take my chances.
I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong? And been browsing the forum, which I love by the way!! Remember: Just being devils advocate!! Anyways, been reading that you're not supposed to "inhale" the juice.
If I recall this started as a fad in China or somewhere about 10 years ago? What are the health studies done on those guys..
I just don't understand, maybe it's to make one feel better, but 2 wrongs don't make a right??? Is it that you're not "supposed" to inhale the nic, but you still absorb it through your soft tissue in your mouth, nose etc.... so, I STILL see it as smoking.
Are the true "non-smokers" vape just juice, no nic? What happens if the PG/VG ends up being even worse for vapers?
Like I said, I may look up some info later. Been up all night trying to finish my Govt paperwork, now I'm delirious!!
Just a thought, anyways
You guys ROCK by the way!!! xo
Let's all be gentleman/ladies about this, I remember posting almost the same topic. I can tell this is a genuine thought, and not just trying to ruffle feathers.
-I actually just posted in a thread recently about how the nicotine in our vaping juice isn't that harmful/effective compared to analogues. As a nurse I can say with confidence that if you vape at 16mg or lower (or higher less frequently), it can actually benefit you cognitively, and even physically (used in moderation: just like caffeine). Addiction is another story, to be honest when I fully quit analogues, I couldn't even feel high strength nicotine juice, it's so relatively weak their universes apart in nicotine effects and addict-ability.
Here's a post I just did today (I swear the internet is all connected).
treehead said
" Registered nurse reporting in: I actually did my Bio-Sciences thesis on this nice observation, this is one of the first things I noticed about vaping myself is that the nicotine just felt different. There's alot of things I discovered studying this, however no empirical studies have ever been recorded on this (I wonder why *cough* tobacco companies). It all boils down to Acidity, Sugar derivatives, and added "freebase nicotine".
-Acidity: The nicotine molecule found in nature and our vaping juices are almost always positively charged, they have alot of protons that make it "harder" to be absorbed by the lungs, and this is for a good reason because the lungs don't want a certain amount of positively charged molecules in our bodies, most of them are harmful. Ammonia, is an additive found around the world in cigarettes, and most have heard it in anti-tobacco commercials even. This high strength acid strips protons off the nicotine molecule to make it more easily absorbed by your lungs, what the companies try to do is "match" the acidity of our lungs to make almost all of the nicotine absorbable. Taking the + charge down is unnaturally allowing nicotine molecules into your body, and allowing the molecules to squeeze in where nature didn't intend (and for a good reason).
-Sugar additives: This may sound harmless but really could mean anything, which derivatives aren't known, dopamine is a sugar derivative but we all know cocahina isn't exactly good for us. The common sugar derivatives are used to enhance the level one MAOI neuro-transmitters in the brain, which like the nicotine, and coincidentally MAOI/level one neuro-transmitters are extremely high in cigarette smokers, and many suffer depression from that imabalance. I personally think, after going through it myself, and having level one medication fix my depression, that's exactly what they're designed to do: enhance the nicotine transmitters that make us "like" or be addicted to nicotine.
-Freebase Nicotine: It's exactly as it sounds, chemically isolated nicotine, that's designed to go straight to the brain with hardly any interruption from the lungs or neuro-transmitters, alot of these are found in nicotine gum and patches etc. These are actually known by the scientific community to be added to cigarettes, camel: 2.7% Marlboro:7% I've tried both of these cigs and I can definitely tell these %'s are accurate. And freebase nicotine is like the "crack" of tobacco nicotine, super efficient, super addicting, and very absorbable. I wouldn't be surprised if some companies were basically soaking nicotine-less tobacco with freebase nicotine because it would be cheaper and more addicting.
-These were my thoughts on it, and alot of it is backed up by empirical evidence. Just thought I'd share this with you guys. It's a scary business the tobacco companies are running."
And then I responded to someone a little more, stating how sometimes smokers might do better to ween off, rather than cold turkey, and a little enlightenment on nicotine and depression blah de blah.
Just thought I'd share and didn't want to type it again.
Hope this helps, and don't let this guy get your goose, because I'll fully admit that I vape for the nicotine. The natural substance that the tobacco companies fiercly hooked me on, and I happened to enjoy. Now I'm slowly (healthily) titrating down my dosage to 0mg, I'm already at 6mg sometimes 12mg if I'm using something other than an RDA, and it's fully my choice to keep that relatively harmless (as long as you use in moderation, and with self control) molecule in my juice, it feels good, and I feel great! I haven't ran 5 miles every morning since high-school, and I actually wake up euphoric now, instead of having a nicotine hangover. 
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It's true it can improve cognition in Alzheimers, acetylcholinergic receptors as well as level one neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine. It can be used to lessen and even prevent depression, is a safer stimulant than caffeine believe it or not (used in moderation). It also pressurizes the cardiovascular system which promotes circulation, and even growth of new blood vessels, which has empirically been proven effective namely for those with diabetes that are close to getting gangrene due to poor circulation. And can also prevent stomach ulcer flare ups lol, over-all as long as you control yourself, and don't take in more than the therapeutic amount (the amount that causes withdrawal symptoms), it can actually BENEFIT you. (It does have to be delivered in a healthy way such as vaping
though, and studies prove that VG and PG are COMPLETELY harmless as it's been in our natural food since the creation of bio-matter, although some can have an allergy to PG, but that's only because it's industrially purified with certain substances. Whoo! I'm ramblin
I vaped zero nic long enough to know there was no addiction to nic. I have, however, gone back to nic because I miss the throat hit that nothing else gives... I tried to replicate it DIYn without success. The feel of TH is NOT an addiction but something I enjoy. Sometimes I drink too much pop because I enjoy that TH too... its zero caffeine and zero sugar and I'm certainly not addicted to it but do like it... same thing.
I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong? And been browsing the forum, which I love by the way!! Remember: Just being devils advocate!! Anyways, been reading that you're not supposed to "inhale" the juice.
If I recall this started as a fad in China or somewhere about 10 years ago? What are the health studies done on those guys..
I just don't understand, maybe it's to make one feel better, but 2 wrongs don't make a right??? Is it that you're not "supposed" to inhale the nic, but you still absorb it through your soft tissue in your mouth, nose etc.... so, I STILL see it as smoking.
Are the true "non-smokers" vape just juice, no nic? What happens if the PG/VG ends up being even worse for vapers?
Like I said, I may look up some info later. Been up all night trying to finish my Govt paperwork, now I'm delirious!!
Just a thought, anyways
You guys ROCK by the way!!! xo
You mean I'm not supposed to pour the straight juice up my nose (inhale the juice)? I also read you shouldn't inject it straight into your heart, it will kill you on the spot.
Yep, this thread is going pretty much just like I expected it to.
I don't think the OP was trying to stir the pot. I do think that people should look at all the many many threads like this one and take them into serious consideration before starting a thread like this.
okay, carry on.
I don't think the OP was trying to stir the pot. I do think that people should look at all the many many threads like this one and take them into serious consideration before starting a thread like this.
okay, carry on.
I don’t smoke, I vape. My doctor knows I quit smoking by vaping and I am now listed as a nonsmoker in my “permanent record.” How do you expect your doctor to care for you if you lie to her?
If you are going to have surgery, tell your doctor that you smoke or vape, it is important. Nicotine is a vascular constrictor like caffeine. Having surgery, was that the question you were really after? Please don’t let vanity get in the way of your health care. This would go a lot better for you if you just asked direct questions. I find some of what you have said to be insulting, like insinuating that people who are honest with their doctor’s are “stupid.” You’ve been given some good links and I suggest you read them and not give us the line that “I may look up some info later.” People are here ready, willing and able to help you but not to be your servants.
If you are going to have surgery, tell your doctor that you smoke or vape, it is important. Nicotine is a vascular constrictor like caffeine. Having surgery, was that the question you were really after? Please don’t let vanity get in the way of your health care. This would go a lot better for you if you just asked direct questions. I find some of what you have said to be insulting, like insinuating that people who are honest with their doctor’s are “stupid.” You’ve been given some good links and I suggest you read them and not give us the line that “I may look up some info later.” People are here ready, willing and able to help you but not to be your servants.
I don't know if it has been said but vapor is what is formed when a liquid changes from a liquid to a gaseous state (like boiling water).
Smoke is form by a rapid chemical reaction which changes the chemical composition of the substance that is started with (like combustion).
When we hit the button on our mods we are boiling our eliquid turning it from a liquid to a gas.
We Vapors are NOT smokers in any way.
Smoke is form by a rapid chemical reaction which changes the chemical composition of the substance that is started with (like combustion).
When we hit the button on our mods we are boiling our eliquid turning it from a liquid to a gas.
We Vapors are NOT smokers in any way.
This next here is a 2 parter, the word "smoking" is semantics, you guys know what I meant!
Addiction is a funny thing. I smoked for 37 years, tried to quit a number of times using the usual methods and failed. I then switched to vaping and found success in leaving cigarettes behind. It was not totally painless, I still had to work at it, but it worked for me.
Over about 9 months I reduced my nic consumption to zero and stayed there for a few months. I have since used nicotine and left it again, a couple of times. I now find it so easy to vape no-nic juice exclusively. I consider nicotine non-addictive when vaped. To add a bit of perspective, I used to drink 6 - 8 regular coffees a day. I found it significantly harder to stop doing that than to stop vaping nicotine after losing my cigarette addiction.
I've been vaping 4 mg nic juice in a dual coil rebuildable atty at 25 watts all day today except for when I was out for about six hours this afternoon going to a couple of business meetings and a doctors appointment. I didn't take a PV with me. I didn't feel like it. It would have cramped my style. I honestly didn't miss it in the least. I estimate 4 mg of nic in my setup is probably equivalent to around 10 mg in a clearo at 8 watts.
Now that I'm addiction free I use nic when I feel like it. I also have a drink, eat a chocolate chip cookie, have a caffeinated coffee, buy a lottery ticket, work for 20 hours straight, etc, when I feel like it.
HTH
Maybe 1/3 of the nicotine can be absorbed by the nose and mouth, mostly due to their lack of surface area, assuming boogers and saliva don't block it or wash it away. The nicotine molecule is 10x bigger than when burned as opposed to vaped, but it can still get through your lungs quite easily.
-I dare you to take a 10 second sub-ohm hit, on at least 10watts, and then hold your breath until you can't anymore. You'll feel it.
Hahaha. I'm not gonna say it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it.
No kidding, and they wouldn't even be having the war that we are now fighting.
Because that would have been well before the decades-long propaganda machine even kicked into gear...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
A "vaper". Or A "vaper of chemicals", if you would prefer.
Now, here, the first two entries for the term "smoke" are:
So ..... sure. You could rightly call my vaping "smoking" going only by the written definition of the term. But the words "smoking" and "smoker" have what is arguably a significant social presence and sociological definition that, in my opinion, should be restricted to only the first of those dictionary entries to make any meaningful sense.
But if enough people in the world really want us to call ourselves something other than "vapers" for whatever reason, and we ourselves decide to refuse the word "smokers", then we should really make up a new word. I vote for "snofflegoglymambulizers".
Face it - as a typical person living a single lifetime in this world, if you EVER get to create a truly new word that will actually be accepted by society, used by people and added to one or more accredited dictionaries, that ONE new word will very likely be the only one you'll ever get to create. So if you ever encounter an opportunity so rare as to make up a new word, I say make up a REALLY GREAT one.
Wonderful!
May I quote you on that?
And I am a vaper, not a smoker.
I do not inhale the smoke of burning plant parts. Period.
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