Being the Devil's Advocate Here : If you are vaping with Nicotine juice, you ARE still a "smoker"..

[Kuljit]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=flXtE8hb6cs

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[Little White Cloud]

Wonderful!
May I quote you on that?

And I am a vaper, not a smoker.
I do not inhale the smoke of burning plant parts. Period.

I agree. And labels suck. Period.

 

[patkin]

I was a smoker and stood by silently when I was demonized.
I am a vaper and won't be doing that again.
You're braver than I am playing "devil's advocate" among those who have lived with moral judgements and shaming.
Anyone who doesn't know there's a campaign to demonize vapers must be seriously out of touch. The new "push" is to transfer all the smoker shame over to "nicotine user." If that's what you want to call yourself... fine... carry on.

 

[jp_cfc09]

if you traded coffee for energy drinks would you still be a caffeine junky? id say yes. and i also believe its a better comparison than soda.
different coffees and energy drinks all have different caffeine levels from high to zero just like cigarettes and e juice. it all depends on how much you use and what your using it for.

i think we'd all agree coffee could be used for the flavor as in decaf, or for caffeine delievery, as in gas station expresso, just like zero nic juice for flavor or high strength for cravings/quitting analogs.

you still are a caffeine junky but you wouldnt drink coffee now would you, same way if you give up smokeing for vapeing your still on nicotine but dont smoke. if it makes you feel better just tell them your off smokeing but use ecigs which still has nicotine. but classing them both the same is silly really as they are two completely different things that just happen to provide nicotine. so if you stopped smokeing useing patches and gum would you have a probelm saying you dont smoke?

 

[bulldog63h]

If you'll excuse me everyone, I'm going to go stand in the garage and be a car for a while.

 

[Anjaffm]

I was a smoker and stood by silently when I was demonized.
I am a vaper and won't be doing that again.
You're braver than I am playing "devil's advocate" among those who have lived with moral judgements and shaming.
Anyone who doesn't know there's a campaign to demonize vapers must be seriously out of touch. The new "push" is to transfer all the smoker shame over to "nicotine user." If that's what you want to call yourself... fine... carry on.

Excellent posting
Thank you!

 

[Zealous]

I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong?

Yes you are wrong. I am not a smoker. I do not smoke. I do not light up a cigarette & inhale the tobacco product into my lungs. That is a smoker. I am not a smoker.

You don't get to decide the definition of the word "smoker". It's already been defined.

 

[Free6413]

Absolutely not!! S one is defined as a byproduct of BURNING MATERIALS. The last time I checked, the only thing burning during vaping is a burnt coil every now and again. It tastes like crap and gets replaced right away. There are more harmful carcinogens produced by cars than vapor. Nicotine is not the real issue but the chemicals released by BURNING MATERIALS that introduce nicotine to the body. Under this thought process, anyone using a patch or gum is still smoking. Silly huh?

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[icemanistheking]

Ugh @ OP

Everything that need be said has already been said, so I'll leave it at that...

 

[kachuge]

To the person with open mind, less concerned about trickery, I would say welcome to the world of vaping. It is similar to smoking, only better.

now that is a good happy medium...... i'm ok with that definition........

 

[SEEL]

I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong? And been browsing the forum, which I love by the way!! Remember: Just being devils advocate!! Anyways, been reading that you're not supposed to "inhale" the juice.

If I recall this started as a fad in China or somewhere about 10 years ago? What are the health studies done on those guys..

I just don't understand, maybe it's to make one feel better, but 2 wrongs don't make a right??? Is it that you're not "supposed" to inhale the nic, but you still absorb it through your soft tissue in your mouth, nose etc.... so, I STILL see it as smoking.

Are the true "non-smokers" vape just juice, no nic? What happens if the PG/VG ends up being even worse for vapers?

Like I said, I may look up some info later. Been up all night trying to finish my Govt paperwork, now I'm delirious!!

Just a thought, anyways

You guys ROCK by the way!!! xo

Yes, you are wrong.

 

[stevegmu]

I inhale. I'm an addict. I also believe e-juice isn't harmless, but the only options for me are smoking or vaping, so vaping it is...

 

[Worzel]

To me, vaping just tastes better than smoking anyways. That's all.


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[Anjaffm]

Yes you are wrong. I am not a smoker. I do not smoke. I do not light up a cigarette & inhale the tobacco product into my lungs. That is a smoker. I am not a smoker.

You don't get to decide the definition of the word "smoker". It's already been defined

Absolutely not!!
...
Under this thought process, anyone using a patch or gum is still smoking. Silly huh?

Precisely

And yes, I am a nicotine user.
I am also a caffeine user. A sugar user. And a meat eater.

Animals are killed, so that I can devour their flesh and wear their skin.
Sugar beets are pulled up out of the ground and cooked, so that I can consume the resulting sugar.
Coffee beans - the seed of the coffee plant - are roasted and ground up, so that I can use the resulting coffee powder to make and consume a beverage called coffee.
Tobacco leaves are pulled off the tobacco plant - without anesthetic - and processed, so that I can consume the resulting nicotine.

It is pleasant to be at the top of the food chain.
It is pleasant to be able to enjoy what nature gives us to enjoy.
(Even in slightly altered form. After all, I do not eat my meat raw or bite into a sugar beet )
And anybody who has a problem with that is welcome to have a problem. As it is their problem, not mine.

 

[C.M. Wilson]

My question, and which is what I thought this thread may have been about, is how do you list yourself on your insurance policies etc? If you list yourself as a non smoker then for whatever reason tests show nicotine, what then? I'm sure this has been covered somewhere but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

So by your logic a person who Vapes 0mg of nicotine is not smoking?

I see a serious flaw in your idea of smoking.

Smoking is a "smoke" produced by combustion/burning of something. With vaping there is no combustion, no smoke, and no burning. Vapor is not smoke! I smoked Marlboro lights at almost 2 packs a day for well over 20 years. I started vaping 18mg nic but quickly cut way down. I Vaped 0mg for a while. I can do no nicotine or add nicotine. I enjoy vaping. It's not an addiction like cigarettes were because I can go out and not bring my Vape gear.,,but with my cigarettes I would have had a panic attack just being gone for 10 minutes without my smokes and lighter!

So the consumption of nicotine, no matter how, is smoking? So chewing nicotine gum is smoking too! Wearing a patch is smoking as well!

Nicotine is in tomatoes and other foods. So if I eat a tomato I'm smoking?

Again, smoking a cigarette is nothing like vaping. Just because it looks similar doesn't make it so! I Vape because when I use my gear I produce a vapor out of my mouth. There is no smoke involved, no fire, no tobacco!

It's not semantics, it is facts.

 

[wheelie]

Precisely

And yes, I am a nicotine user.
I am also a caffeine user. A sugar user. And a meat eater.

Animals are killed, so that I can devour their flesh and wear their skin.
Sugar beets are pulled up out of the ground and cooked, so that I can consume the resulting sugar.
Coffee beans - the seed of the coffee plant - are roasted and ground up, so that I can use the resulting coffee powder to make and consume a beverage called coffee.
Tobacco leaves are pulled off the tobacco plant - without anesthetic - and processed, so that I can consume the resulting nicotine.

It is pleasant to be at the top of the food chain.
It is pleasant to be able to enjoy what nature gives us to enjoy.
(Even in slightly altered form. After all, I do not eat my meat raw or bite into a sugar beet )
And anybody who has a problem with that is welcome to have a problem. As it is their problem, not mine.

 

[Fizzpop]

Yep, this thread is going pretty much just like I expected it to.
I don't think the OP was trying to stir the pot. I do think that people should look at all the many many threads like this one and take them into serious consideration before starting a thread like this.
okay, carry on.

I think what most here are missing is that the OP's question is a fairly common one outside of the vaping community. It has value in that it compels us refine our arguments that "No, vaping is not like smoking." I think everybody here knows we are fighting an uphill battle. Those outside our community see vaping somewhere between the extremes of 'normalizing' smoking and huffing paint fumes. Yes, they are wrong, but this is how they see us. We shouldn't forget that the anti-tobacco crowd, by and large, see any nicotine use as serious threat that must be stopped at all costs.

It worries me that some of the comments here have bordered on being rude and many have been filled with a righteous tone that isn't going to help us when communicating with those outside our community that are misinformed and carry a prejudice against nicotine use. We need to work on our communication with those outside of our world.

 

[Anjaffm]

It has value in that it compels us refine our arguments ...

This may be necessary for some. And for those, the arguments presented in this thread may be valuable.
"Smoke" is clearly defined. So is "smoking". And no ifs and buts about it.
Please note that even the most rabid ANTZ do not make the mistake of equating vaping with smoking. "Looks like smoking" - yes, they say that all the time. As they have no valid arguments against vaping. "Is smoking" - no. Because the terms are clearly defined. And no ifs and buts about it.

However, "refining one's arguments" is not necessary for all members. As some members know all the arguments and all the rhetoric by heart. Even in their sleep, if need be. And is IS tiring to read such obvious nonsense in a vapers forum. If I want nonsense about vaping, I open the Huffington Post, thank you very much.

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@wheelie:
Yaaah! Are you trying to shame me for being at the top of the food chain and consuming innocent vegetables? It ain't gonna happen, neener neener - Although I do admit that I murder and devour innocent bell peppers in my more evil moments Yeah, me baaaad

 

[trentenmarschel]

I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong? And been browsing the forum, which I love by the way!! Remember: Just being devils advocate!! Anyways, been reading that you're not supposed to "inhale" the juice.

If I recall this started as a fad in China or somewhere about 10 years ago? What are the health studies done on those guys..

I just don't understand, maybe it's to make one feel better, but 2 wrongs don't make a right??? Is it that you're not "supposed" to inhale the nic, but you still absorb it through your soft tissue in your mouth, nose etc.... so, I STILL see it as smoking.

Are the true "non-smokers" vape just juice, no nic? What happens if the PG/VG ends up being even worse for vapers?

Like I said, I may look up some info later. Been up all night trying to finish my Govt paperwork, now I'm delirious!!

Just a thought, anyways

You guys ROCK by the way!!! xo

everyone else argued what i would have said.
but i completely disagree with everything you said about us still being smokers.