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Belgian import seized - anyone help?

Discussion in 'EU Legislation' started by Oliver, Feb 19, 2014.

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  1. Oliver

    Oliver ECF Founder, formerly SmokeyJoe Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Hi all,

    For anyone who might know, a good friend of mine living in Belgium has just had a (approx 100 Euros) order seized by customs. They are stating that they want tax paid, but he's worried about his liability, criminal or otherwise, for the liquid component of his order.

    They are currently stating that they haven't opened it, so he's obviously worried about what happens if they do. Does anyone have any insight?
  2. KenD

    KenD Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 20, 2013
    Stockholm, Sweden
    I don't think eliquid is illegal in Belgium so there shouldn't be any legal issues. They're only asking for import duties and VAT, which are always due on orders from outside the EU that are above a specified sum.

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  3. stevegmu

    stevegmu Moved On ECF Veteran

    He just needs to pay VAT. When I send someone something to Europe, I write gift on the package and customs form and it is excluded from VAT.
  4. Julie W

    Julie W Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 31, 2013
    Did a quick search & it seems €150 .00 is the threshold;,but if they open it & they deem it a tobacco product:unsure:

    the FOB value, i.e. the value of the goods excluding shipping and insurance cost, does not exceed €150

    (my bold)

    VAT is not charged if:

    the FOB value, i.e. the value of the goods excluding shipping and insurance cost, does not exceed €22

    Excise duty is payable on for example tobacco and alcohol.
    Additional customs fees can be charged to cover the expense of performing any required examinations, verification and or testing of the imported goods.
  5. Julie W

    Julie W Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 31, 2013

    I didn't think so either but found this. Not good news I'm afraid :?:

    "Sale (and private import) of e-cigarettes that do not contain nicotine is allowed, but importing any e-liquid with nicotine is considered a criminal offense punishable with huge fines and even imprisonment. The vapers from Belgium are outlawed, and have the choice to keep on smoking tobacco or break the law and drive to France, the Netherlands or Germany to purchase their nicotine e-liquids."
  6. Oliver

    Oliver ECF Founder, formerly SmokeyJoe Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sorry Julie, meant to thank you for your input here. My friend has decided to leave his import at customs!
  7. Cap'nTripps

    Cap'nTripps Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 15, 2014
    The South
    I guess if you were living in or ordering liquid from Belgium, the only real solution is to "nicotinise" the liquid, that is if the nicotine itself is legal there.
  8. KY_Rob

    KY_Rob Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2013
    This entire thread breaks my heart. Governments should be ashamed of themselves.
  9. popartworker

    popartworker Full Member

    Mar 10, 2013
    Your friend should not worry. He should go to the customs and pay. The less he says the better.
  10. Vermonster13

    Vermonster13 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 13, 2010
    Rutland, Vermont
    They already know who he is after all.
  11. crae

    crae Full Member

    Feb 18, 2014
    this is maybe a bit late but im from belgium and juice with nicotine is completly forbidden to import here
    sad i know i order mostly in holland the company uses a shipping directly so no border control
    the sad thing is i cant try out some american juice :( or a shop must have it but thats is really rare to find here
  12. Talyon

    Talyon Vape 4 Life Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 21, 2013
    Sorry to hear that mate, Ty for sharing.

    Perhaps one day all our governments will truly care about their people.

    It starts with a dream.
  13. dutch onsea

    dutch onsea Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 14, 2013
    Do find this a bit strange. Been ordering juice from all over the world, never had any problems. Every two weeks orders from aroma, bobas on the way, fluid in the house, no prob... Hope this will stay the same and they keep away from our stuff
  14. ForeverDiving

    ForeverDiving Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Just came into this thread... Pity! We Mexicans are facing a worse situation. A ****** *** **** of a beaurocrat, the Commissioner for the Reduction of Health Risks asked customs for the seizure of anything related to e-cigarettes (and got it). The arguments given were a) that they haven't tested and proved them unharmful to health and b) that they haven't been demonstrated a valid smoke reduction therapy. Of course they aren't taking for valid all the studies already made abroad. Senate demanded the lift of the ban but the commission are (successfully) dragging their feet.

    Vapers in Mexico are sure BT, BP and The Taxman are behind this.

    A copuple of weeks ago customs seized two shipments for me, one from Austria with an Erlkönigin and another from Kidney Puncher with a pair of mech mods and RDA's for relatives struggling with the coffin nails. Fortunately I have a relative in Laredo TX who is coming to visit in 4 days and she already has the packages. Since she travels on an American passport her luggage won't be touched.
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