Bench Test Results: Sony VTC6A 18650 Samples...beats VTC5A, estimated 2900-3000mAh, 20-25A

Thanks Mooch! Something to look forward to if the quality remains the same.

 

just bought some 5As & will probably get some of these when available... thanks for the comparison graphs

 

The vtcA is my all time favorite cell for mechanicals( well for 18650's,since the 20650 lg seems to hit just as hard but for longer) and im excited for the preliminary findings you posted for this cell. Mooch,in real world vaping ,would one notice the small difference in volt drop with the cells youve tested when compared to the 5A, or would this be too small of a difference to discern?

 

Very nice. Not up to M-Tech cells, of course, but not bad at all

 

Thank you Mooch

Anna

 

Many many thank you Mooch!

Someone knows the release date of these new batteries and/or where to buy? I didn't find nothing up to now..

 

From Mooch's post:
"Bottom Line
I received two pre-production or early production samples for testing from Vapcell. I was told that they will not be generally available for several months, perhaps the end of the year. I do not know who has them in stock now or when they will."

 

It's not compliant with my question. My intent was to extend the question to other members. I was reporting what I'm looking for, and if somebody is also interested could be updated by me or vice versa.

Thanks anyway

 

I would imagine Vape Cell would have an answer, since they sent the pre-production samples to Mooch.
Vape Cell - UK's #1 of Genuine & Trusted 18650 Batteries - Vape Cell

 

Thank you very much for the test. Don't get mad at me!! First I must say that I use these high drain cells in my MODDED flashlights.

From what I see in the voltage curves b/w the VTC5A[My favorite battery] is that the VTC6A does NOT take over until ~ 3.60v. At that point the VTC5A starts to sag more.

For me that is irrelevant because I use the cells for 15 to 20 minutes before I put a fresh one in.At that point the VTC5A is b/w 3.76v and 3.84v...depending on which torch I use. For me, the VTC5A has less voltage sag and is a better battery.

I do not know anything about vape mods. Still, I do not see how the VTC6A would be better with the exception of more run time[?] but with less kick until ~ 3.6V.

How much value is a battery when it is at 3.6v?

Maybe I am missing something?

,,,,,,,,Thanks

 

Most batteries can be drained in a regulated mod down to the processor's cut off, usually 3.2 - 3.4 volts. This is possible because of the "regulator" in the chip which allows the battery output to match the wattage setting via "boost" technology.

With an unregulated mech mod (no regulator or chip) its a different story altogether. As the battery drains there is a gradual but consistant drop in the quality of the vape as the voltage of the battery declines, and the closer one gets to a certain point of diminished vape quality is when the battery will need to be exchanged for a charged battery.

 

OK,,,Thanks. It sounds like vapers would benefit from the VTC6A over the VTC5A because of what you described.

For me, the Flashaholic[!!!],,the VTC5A is better because of what I mentioned.

A modified light[V54] using a quality high drain @ 3.6v is noticeably weaker which is easily detectable by the eye.. I am guessing it lost at least ~ 50% of its capacity.

I recall another battery guy saying that a cell @ 3.60V is basically empty as far as the ability to maintain high output for a flashlight.

Thanks again for explaining that. I learned something about vaping.

 

Where are you buying the VTC6As?

 

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I do not have any. I was looking at Mooch's graph comparison w/ the VTC5A.

 

Still trying to comprehend all of this.

This and my other post are based on the graph mooch posted of the VTC5A VS.VTC6A.

According to MOOCH'S graph the VTC5A has LESS voltage sag than the VTC6A up to ~ 3.6V.

How could one benefit more from 3.6V to the cut off of 3.4V to 3.2V than 4.2v to 3.6v where the VTC5A has less voltage sag and the battery has a lot more juice?

Isn't there a lot more vape time[run time] from 4.2v to 3.6v where the VTC5A is clearly better,even if it is slight?

Still trying to grasp why the VTC6A would be better, even though I know it has more capacity.

Maybe the regulator extends the vape time even more with the VTC6A than the VTC5A even though the VTC5A has less voltage sag until ~ 3.6V?

,,,,,,Thanks

 

An unregulated mech mod works along the same principles as your flashlight does. Performance depends solely upon the battery voltage available. Voltage sag does indeed affect a mech mod, but not as much as one might think.

A regulated mod with a electronic chip as a regulator, works differently than a flashlight. The chip is a mini-computer, and makes up for any battery voltage sag (or at least it should) because it makes internal adjustments to fire up the atomizer to keep the output at the setting the user demands regardless of the voltage available in the battery (up until the cutoff point of the chip). The regulator chip "regulates" the power. Think along the lines of a thermostat on a furnace; the thermostat keeps the temperature at the setting the user demands.

As long as the battery has the minimum (3.2 volts) or more voltage available to fire the atomizer, the vape quality will not suffer until the cutoff is reached. The more mAh (capacity) a battery has, the longer the user can vape on that battery.

 

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oK,,Thanks. Good explanation!,,,,,,,,,,I understand it now.

 

These Vapcell rewraps of the Sony VTC6A cell are now available to purchase on Fogstar here in the UK. Type 'Fogstar rare pairs' into google-it's the top search result and the Samsung 30T vapcell rewraps are also available right now in limited supply so act fast! Other rare cells will also be available there soon.

I know i must sound like a broken record and a Fogstar affiliate, but I'm not, I'm just an enthusiast who wants to get the word out about where these cells can be purchased