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Best battery for 18650 squonk mods

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  1. Ruben Faes

    Ruben Faes New Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    Hi everyone,

    Lately I've been getting very interested in more 'advanced' vaping and was looking to buy my first RDA after I finish my exams (the Berserker MTL RDA) and I'm still choosing between the Hotcig RSQ or the HCIGAR VT inbox V3 squonker mods.

    However that's not really the reason I'm posting this, both mods are compatible with 18650 batteries and now my question was which battery is the safest to choose? This will be my first mod that actually has an individual battery (also the first time I will have to build my own coils, not looking forward to that either) and I'm actually a bit scared that I'll do something that either ....s the mod up - or me.

    Don't know if I need to mention this aswell but I'm going to be trying to build 0,6/0,8 coils (max 1,2 or something) on 20-60W i guess? (not really sure about what is best but I'll try to figure that out). Again I know pretty much nothing of this more advanced 'vaping-scene' and I just want to make sure that everything I do is completely safe.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    SE PA
    As these are both regulated mods, the resistance of the coils you're planning to use is not all that relevant. The battery doesn't "see" the coil directly.

    The question really should be: How many watts are you planning to vape at?

    Have a look at Baditude's blog entry here, especially the "Regulated Electronic Mods" section a little down the page.
     
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  3. Coastal Cowboy

    Coastal Cowboy This aggression will not stand, man! Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 13, 2013
    Alabama Gulf Coast
    Battery safety is very important on regulated mods like the ones you're considering, but not critical like it would be for a mechanical device with zero built-in protection.

    The type of build you use and the wattage needed to drive it will guide your battery choice. Build resistance is less important.

    A low resistance, dual coil setup built with a lot of wire will need more power for a longer period of time. Claptons, fused Claptons, Aliens, etc have a lot of mass to heat. They are default battery pigs.

    A simple single wire, single coil build will need less power over time.

    Start simple and keep it within spitting distance of 0.50 Ohms, and pretty much any 20A capable 18650 will keep you happy for hours at 20-60 Watts (say 40 mid-range). MTL devices need less power so simple and single is probably where you'll stay with that atty. You probably won't get to 20 Watts. If that's the case, something 15A capable at 3000mah is a better choice.

    You still have to be smart with your batteries. Still gotta stick with cells from companies that make good TV's. Still gotta buy genuine from known-good retailers. Still gotta take care of them and protect the wraps and positive terminal insulator.
     
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  4. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    As noted above, the coil resistance on a regulated mod is not really relevant when choosing batteries. What is relevant on a regulated mod is the wattage setting that you will be vaping at. Being a relatively new vaper, you may not know what wattage setting you'll be vaping at, so to be on the safe side choose a battery which has at least a 20 amp rating and don't go over 60 watts with one battery.

    In the interests of keeping things simple:

    -If you use a good quality 15 amp CDR battery like the Samsung 30Q or Sony VTC6, then you are good up to 45 watts per battery; 90 watts using two; 135 watts for three batteries.

    -If you use a good quality 20 amp CDR battery like the LG HG2 or Samsung 25R then you are good for 60 watts per battery. If using a 2-battery regulated mod, you're good for 120 watts as you have two batteries. If you are using a 3-battery mod, you're good for 180.

    -If you use a single 25 amp CDR battery like the Sony VTC5A, then you are good for 75 watts per battery, 150 watts for two batteries, and 225 watts with three.

    -If you use a single 30 amp CDR battery like the LG HB6 you are good up to 90 watts; with a pair of 30 amp CDR batteries you could safely do 180 watts.

    WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
    (Wattage doubles with two batteries; triples with three batteries)

    Up to 45W:
    Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR[​IMG]

    Up to 60W:
    LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR [​IMG]
    AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR [​IMG]

    Up to 75W:
    LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR [​IMG]

    Up to 90W:
    LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR [​IMG]
    Purchase your batteries only from a reputable battery supplier such as:]

     
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  5. Ruben Faes

    Ruben Faes New Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    You two are absolute legends! Even though I've been researching a bit more and looking around at fora this information is exactly what I needed!

    You guys pretty much answered all questions I (could) have, only thing left for me is one 'final check' if that would be okay.

    So in theory the Berserker MTL RDA (single coil) on the Hotcig RSQ 80W with these ($3.19 Authentic Vandy Vape Ni80 Superfine MTL Fused Clapton Pre-Coiled Wire - 10pcs/pack / 30*2/38 AWG / 0.25mm*2/0.1mm dia. / 0.7ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping woops seems like the url has been removed, looks a bit chaotic lol) coils and the Sony 18650 VTC5A should be safe/good to use between 20-60W? (as said, highly doubt I'll need to go higher for MTL)

    My sincere apologies for all the questions, I'm starting to understand most things but I just want to avoid buying the wrong stuff :)
     
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  6. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    That setup looks fine. :thumb:

    Be sure to measure your coil's resistance before you fire it for the first time. Never rely on a manufacturer's/vendor's advertisement to provide the specific resistance advertised for pre-made coils.
     
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  7. Rex Everything

    Rex Everything Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 27, 2014
    Tacoma
    the vtc5a are awsome batteries but are actually probably overkill for the set up you are planning on using .....I'd be surprised if you top 25 watts in that case something like the 30q, VT6, or Hg2 would give you a little better run time and be $2 or $3 cheaper per cell... although the VTC5a would give you a bit more room to grow if you decide to try out a less restricted DL set up
     
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  8. Ruben Faes

    Ruben Faes New Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    Wait, just making sure I understand: You mean that if I vape MTL I'll probably won't need the 25 amp from the VTC5a hence I'll have a longer battery life with the VT6 and such? Or am I completely misinterpreting that?

    But is it purely for the battery life? Because the VTC5a has no problem with more than 25W (in the Hotcig), right? Because I'm open to 'experimenting' a bit with wattages (within the safe limits ofc) so the €1-2 more for the VTC5a doesn't really bother me that much if it means I can 'play around' and see which wattages are best for the way (and juices) I vape.
     
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  9. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    I think you are understanding the concept.

    For example, my sweet spot is at 30 watts. A 15 amp 3000mah battery has enough amps for me concerning the wattage I set, and the 3000mAh capacity allows me to vape longer than a 30 amp 1500 mAh battery would. If I were vaping at 75 watts, the 15 amp battery with a 45 watt ceiling wouldn't have the current needed.
     
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