Yeah, the 1st time's the worst, after that, You've got plenty of NET to vape whilst You wait!
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This is an interesting evolution from smoking to vaping (Net's). The is the first I've seen of a Pipe Tobacco producer going with an extract model. Although I don't buy retail juice I would be interested in what they are producing. Anyone extracted the Daughters and Ryan tobacco's? If so what's your thoughts on them. They don't go into a lot of detail as to how they are produced other than they are extracts and that they had worked closely with Purilum Flavorist (search bizjournals/prnewswire on google for info on them (didn't know about linking to it). I think this is a new development for them. Here it is:
OUR PRODUCTS - Daughters & Ryan
Link to the tobacco's on P&C:
Daughters & Ryan Pipe Tobacco - PipesandCigars.com
OUR PRODUCTS - Daughters & Ryan
Link to the tobacco's on P&C:
Daughters & Ryan Pipe Tobacco - PipesandCigars.com
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That'd be an interesting and welcome development and I'm curious as well. It seems from their link that they're "developing the retail market." WHERE TO FIND US - Daughters & Ryan
Thanks usr/
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It would probably depend on their extraction medium and procedure. If it's done wrong, then it might not do as well. MVJ took three tries at producing NET's. First attempt produced flavorful yet gunky liquids. Second go round they had clean and clear e-liquids, at the expense of flavor. The good thing is that they were listening to their customers the whole time. It can be a process.
That sparked my curiosity too. If they got in to be a game changer, producing a superior product or if it's just for market share.
Well they're not in stock yet. Price tag's no joke either. Looks like $20 for a 30ml. Was kinda hoping that cutting out the middleman might hold down the price. I haven't tasted it yet so can't comment on quality/value, but I'm thinking they're going to have to come down from that price point. Even if the stuff is out of this world, 98% of the vaping community will dismiss the stuff outright based on price. And those of us who know what it actually costs to make NET will have a hard time justifying that kind of tag.
Personally, I'd say price it at 12ish per 30ml. Your margin will still be great, and you'll do far more business.
Personally, I'd say price it at 12ish per 30ml. Your margin will still be great, and you'll do far more business.
I extracted "Ryback ", Windsail", and "Two Timer" years ago using PG (heated), as the solvent. All three produced anemic flavor along the lines of a cigar tobacco. I decided Daughters & Ryan's curing method wasn't well suited for extraction and have avoided their line of tobaccos since. Steam distillation or supercritical CO2 extraction might yield better results.
An interesting development, smart business perspective with lucrative profit potential. I suspect Pipe Tobacco companies could produce pure extract at a fraction of our cost, likely around $0.03 ml. MVJ and NET.com currently sell their -pure extracts- for $0.75 - $1.60ml respectively, a 1000 to 2000% markup over actual manufacturing cost of around $0.08ml which includes bottle/labeling. Tobacco extract is so inexpensive to make that bottling/labeling accounts for nearly half of the total cost. At the current retail price point I'm surprised there isn't more competition in the market, perhaps demand for pure extract and ready to vape NET is too low.
While pure extract is inexpensive to make, ready to vape NET is far cheaper. I find it bemusing that some NET retailers can charge $1 per ml for ready to vape Juice and people line up to buy it. Fancy labels, ornate paper sleeves, unusual bottles and well crafted web sites really don't change the fact NET costs even less than traditional DIY juice to make. The NET sold by companies like "Black Note" taste no better or worse than NET sold by MVJ or NET.com at half the price. When people pay $0.50ml for NET they're paying for convenience, when they pay $1ml they're really just buying opulent ambiance but to each his own, whatever floats one's boat and all that. Still better than smoking
Thanks for that info Str8. I just wonder if were going to see more of this from these tobacco companies along with Big Tobacco positioning themselves for the coming regulations. I assume they're in a better position (financially) to skirt some of these regulations than say a NET.com or MVJ when they start putting the squeeze on? I really hate to see this happening. I just have to say, if your a vaper and your concerned about this, write your representatives and let them know how you feel about this, they will respond to you, or at least mine do, at least Mo Brooks and Jeff Sessions do, Richard Shelby stopped responding to my concerns about a number of things. I guess he realized that I wasn't part of his constituency. LOL! On another note, I have a several varieties of N.Rustica that I will be planting come spring time. I already have a spot in my barn for curing, all I lack now is a good process for extracting nicotine. Because nicotine will be the issue. That may be beyond my reach, though. It would just be nice to have a plan "B". I have some nicotine hoarded but it won't last forever. I guess I could just go without it. I just hate having them go 1-up on us!
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see tobacco companies entering the lucrative retail NET market, tobacco flavor is their business and several are extremely good at what they do. I also wouldn't be surprised to learn they are already experimenting with producing NETs, just like Daughters and Ryan, but are waiting to see how FDA regulation will fall. No doubt they would have the financial ability to operate in a post FDA market while current leading retailers may not.
Experienced tobacco companies like Sutliff, McClelland, Lane Limited, Cornell & Diehl (etc..), have the resources to do it right and could produce outstanding NETs. Let's face it, Diane at MVJ, Clay at NET.com, Brian at RBFS (etc..), were just home extractors like you and me but decided to sell their extracts/NET on the retail market. What happens when someone with unlimited resources, serious lab equipment, multi-discipline professional expertise (engineers, flavor chemists), and extensive tobacco experience comes to play?
Couldn't agree more, everyone should and now's the time.
Yes, liquid nic will indeed be the issue, it's the logical "choke point". I've got several gallons of 100mg nic stored at -10F, at my age this will be more than I will ever need. If states tax liquid nic at the rate I think they will, many people will be looking for ways of extracting/making their own. Growing N. Rustica would certainly be a good start, it does have a potent nic content. For NET there may be an even better way but that "theory" would be best saved for a different discussion.
Extremely cogently put M8!
I'm worried that soon, we'll be either:-
1. Not able to vape Our NETs...
or 2. (Pos. Worse?...) Having to buy 'em from BT....the ones who've forced all the regulation for their own benefit!!
I'm worried that soon, we'll be either:-
1. Not able to vape Our NETs...
or 2. (Pos. Worse?...) Having to buy 'em from BT....the ones who've forced all the regulation for their own benefit!!
That's why I've spent three years learning how to extract tobacco and mix NET, along with the liquid nic I have on hand there's really nothing the government can do that will impact my vaping enjoyment.
Sorry, I'm not 'up to speed' with Your FDA's proposals but here in the UK, it's worrying Re. availability of Nic. Base & the increasing Taxation of Tobacco (esp. bringing wholeleaf within the same brackets as RYO 'prosessed' tobacco....)
Maybe I should've said 'not able to AFFORD our NETs......
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