Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists

[RichardLOZ]

Pity that Evelyn does not live by her signature line.....such is life....

I asked God to give me happiness. God said, No...I give you Blessings, Your happiness is up to YOU, it's Not given to You!

When you find peace within yourself, you become the kind of person who can live at peace with others. BE at peace! >3

 

[nitejanitor]

Hey there Greenlover!! Nice to see you again. A couple of people asked about you, and I remembered you saying that you'd be off from work for the long weekend, so I told them not to worry, that you would hopefully be back soon. How was your holiday? Did you get that bike that your boss offered to buy for you?

still working on the bike idea-thanks for asking

 

[LibertariaNate]

Sorry - the point was that the owner of "their" forum sells these "harm reduction" products, so why the seemingly complete lack of support or understand of harm reduction vs. addiction treatment? I just quoted you because your post linked to the store and was discussing prduct he carries.

The true irony is that a product like that could give a smoker the false impression that they are actaully reducing their health risks and they are not - they may even be increasing their exposure to toxins in the long run, because of the misleading impression that removing the nicotine is improving their health, when it actually may make them smoke more. That false sense of security would be even more likely to keep them smoking. At least we are off the smoke, but apparently the nicotine prohibitionists are more ok with continuing using cigarettes without the nicotine than nicotine without the smoke??

Meh... I was just making the point his website looks like it stuck in 1992. I didn't actually look at any of the product.

Fred made it a point to mention that no one on the forum has ever purchased anything from him and that he doesn't advertise on the forum for his store. I have to take him at his word; I have no way of proving otherwise. The website does have a link to the forum, but I haven't found a link on the forum to the website. I don't believe Fred is using the forum to peddle his product.

If they want to be nicotine prohibitionists and it's working for them, who am I (or anyone else) to say they are wrong? Whatever it takes to stay away from the cigarettes. You can post all the studies in the world proving your point and they will still disagree with you simply because it doesn't fit their own views. Then they will likely post studies that contradict yours. Each person holds on to their quit method almost like they do their religion and many truly believe that their method is the only "true" method.

Ultimately though, I agree with you. I'd much rather someone practiced harm reduction than continue to smoke. If they only ever practice harm reduction, it's still a "WIN". If their goal is to ultimately abstain from nicotine, and harm reduction is the route they initially take, it's a "WIN". If they quit cold turkey, put one more in the "W" column. You get the picture...

We all have the same goal - to quit smoking.

But now I'm just preaching to the choir...

 

[phonedude]

Only if it's Five Guys though...

Yep they are good. I kind of make a pretty good one myself also.

 

[phonedude]

Meh... I was just making the point his website looks like it stuck in 1992. I didn't actually look at any of the product.

Fred made it a point to mention that no one on the forum has ever purchased anything from him and that he doesn't advertise on the forum for his store. I have to take him at his word; I have no way of proving otherwise. The website does have a link to the forum, but I haven't found a link on the forum to the website. I don't believe Fred is using the forum to peddle his product.

If they want to be nicotine prohibitionists and it's working for them, who am I (or anyone else) to say they are wrong? Whatever it takes to stay away from the cigarettes. You can post all the studies in the world proving your point and they will still disagree with you simply because it doesn't fit their own views. Then they will likely post studies that contradict yours. Each person holds on to their quit method almost like they do their religion and many truly believe that their method is the only "true" method.

Ultimately though, I agree with you. I'd much rather someone practiced harm reduction than continue to smoke. If they only ever practice harm reduction, it's still a "WIN". If their goal is to ultimately abstain from nicotine, and harm reduction is the route they initially take, it's a "WIN". If they quit cold turkey, put one more in the "W" column. You get the picture...

We all have the same goal - to quit smoking.

But now I'm just preaching to the choir...

From what I see his dedicated members were accusing him of just wanting to make a profit ... and I think he called them on it. I think I like Fred pretty much. JMHO

 

[phonedude]

Pity that Evelyn does not live by her signature line.....such is life....

I asked God to give me happiness. God said, No...I give you Blessings, Your happiness is up to YOU, it's Not given to You!

When you find peace within yourself, you become the kind of person who can live at peace with others. BE at peace! >3

You nailed it

 

[LibertariaNate]

Yep they are good. I kind of make a pretty good one myself also.

I can grill with the best of them, but I prefer smoking... No, not that kind of smoking... You know, the "low and slow" smoky BBQ.

 

[LibertariaNate]

...and with that, I bid you all adieu!

 

[John Phoenix]

I just read Evelyn's posts.. wow.

Had a strange thing happen to me. I sent Fred a PM, just generally telling him how I feel and it wasn't my intention to cause him to change the board and a few other things along those lines.. he didn't reply, but I know he saw it - The message disappeared from my sent folder in the control panel.. That was weird.

 

[mgordon1100]

I basically just skipped pages 195 to the end now. Too much reading while I go to work.

Segregation. Herein lies the biggest problem. It's not segregation, it's organization. Even Sammy doesn't see that. Stephanie is changing though. She doesn't know it yet. She said, and I quote, "I also appreciate the thread regarding the fact that we do not support ecigs as a permanent way of life for people." The implication here is that she may endorse e-cigs as a temporary solution to quitting all together. I think that's a step in the right direction.

 

[mgordon1100]

Fonedude, you just like everything. I'm convinced.

 

[kristin]

"I also appreciate the thread regarding the fact that we do not support ecigs as a permanent way of life for people."

Where is that thread? I only saw him say that e-cigs should only be discussed as a way to quit smoking. If you have to use an e-cig for the rest of your life to keep off smoking, that is still a valid way to Keep The Quit, as they like to say, iof it's what works for you.

I felt he meant that people shouldn't be saying things like "switch to e-cigs to save money!" or discussions on throat hit, mods and favorite flavors.

 

[mgordon1100]

Kristin, I briefly looked for that thread, but I don't know which one it's in. There's a lot of threads over there. Regardless of whether there is a thread or not, my point is about what she's implying. I think it's a step forward from what you may have heard her say last week.

 

[kristin]

LOL @ myself! Every once in a while I read "fonedude" as "fondue!" OK - it's cheese and I am from Wisconsin! LOL...god help me I'm slaphappy now. I'm off to bed folks...try not to let this thread grow another 20 pages before I get back!

Fonedude

 

[RichardLOZ]

@John - you have the bloody patience of a saint, along with curvy and many others for here and I take my hat (in this case beanie as its bloody cold here) off to you all. You are all being so damn reasonable even in the midst of the virile onslaught that is being rained upon you all. There do however seem to be a few reasonable and sensible people over there and I am sure many more like them on the sidelines, waiting and watching what is happening.

Lets just hope that the changes that have taken place over the last few days on QSMB have the effect of bringing some of the longer term members out of the woodwork, who have been too afraid to post or comment in case they were berated for doing so. If that happens, then what the group of people from ECF have achieved over on QSMB, amidst all of the fighting, arguing and name calling is so worth the pain that a minority few over there seem to be going through.

This change has to potential to help 100's if not 1000's of others who are looking for support to quit the smokes. Whether that be CT, patches or any other method, whether it be a step down from nic or just harm minimization, it doesn't really matter. The fact is if they stop "smoking" then you have all achieved a wonderful thing and people there should thank you for making the changes, rather than try to destroy what has happened. Seems to me like they all need to take a step back and examine their own motives and what the end game is, not necessarily how to get there.

Richard

 

[RichardLOZ]

"fonedude" as "fondue!"

You guys are a focused on food as some of the people I get to train in the Philippines. They are ALWAYS thinking about, talking about or just damn eating food...LOL

 

[mgordon1100]

Goodnight Kristin. My ancestors are from Wisconsin. That is, my mother and father. Milwaukee. Just saying.

 

[phonedude]

Fonedude, you just like everything. I'm convinced.

I'm just too lazy to type replies to all these fine posts .... and who in the world would have the time?

And you're right - there are few posts in this thread I don't like.

 

[phonedude]

LOL @ myself! Every once in a while I read "fonedude" as "fondue!" OK - it's cheese and I am from Wisconsin! LOL...god help me I'm slaphappy now. I'm off to bed folks...try not to let this thread grow another 20 pages before I get back!

OMG now that is funny. And much nicer than some things I have been called lately ... like earlier today

I am planing a new avatar though. I know I got a fondue pot around here somewhere.

From the 70's and its orange. Beware

 

[mgordon1100]

I'm hoping that someone can clear something up for me. This statement seems to be the reason for the sentiment about nicotine addiction.

MANY of us believe a life of nicotine dependence is NOT TRULY LIVING....it is a life caught up on getting the next fix, maintaining the correct amount of nicotine levels, fantasizing about the next fix, obsessing over getting enough or not getting enough....enslaved by the ball and chain of nicotine addiction in it's various forms..

This is something that I just don't understand. I've smoked for 30 years, and I've never been caught up in getting my next fix. If I wanted a cigarette, I smoked a cigarette. It was as simple as that, and I never gave it two thoughts. This idea puts nicotine in the same light as her-o-in and alcohol. I have known an addict in both. My 30 year experience in cigarettes was never like what those other two people go through.