So far, this discussion has been very adult and calm. Questions are being addressed and while not everyone is in complete agreement, everyone has been pretty civil to this point. I just ask that you join us in an ADULT conversation without any childish comments or interjections. Thank you in advance for keeping this discussion a discussion and NOT a flame war!!!
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Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists
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Okay, so I just thought those who aren't actually visiting the QSMB should see this. I'm obvioulsy in agreement with what many of "our" posters have posted, but I do have more respect for Sammy for standing up and admitting that even though we all don't see completely eye to eye, maybe the members of QSMB shouldn't have reacted so harshly. If no one else says it, I will: Thank you Sammy!
Thank you Sammy. I don't agree with the way some of our members acted on your forum and I don't agree with the way some of the members from your forum acted\responded. In the end we all have some truths and similarities...it's a shame we can't see that fact and get along. Your post took courage "over there" and it's appreciated
Is drinking coffee looked down on over there too?
nitejanitor, have you ever met anyone who had a real caffeine addiction?
I am not a slave to caffeine, but I do enjoy a cup of coffee 3 times a day, morning, noon and night.. would you say I have a caffeine addiction?
I only ask because I see some people over there putting down all forms of addictions, even non harmful ones or things that involve legal substance use even when people are not addicted.
nitejanitor, have you ever met anyone who had a real caffeine addiction?
I am not a slave to caffeine, but I do enjoy a cup of coffee 3 times a day, morning, noon and night.. would you say I have a caffeine addiction?
I only ask because I see some people over there putting down all forms of addictions, even non harmful ones or things that involve legal substance use even when people are not addicted.
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We should bear in mind that Greenie has only been off the cigarettes for 8 months.
No way in hell will Greenie make it to a year - she's way too tense.
Yeah, but she smoked the sticky icky 4 months ago, to a lot of her brethren there at QSMB, that would require a reset on the "quit timer". So, really, she's been smoke free for only 4 months
Since greenlover/nitejanitor seems to bring out everyone's bad side, let's not add fuel to the fire people. I'm equally frustrated with her very childish remarks, but let me remind everyone that responding to her is only going to lead us into another flame war. It's best to ignore her unless she has valid questions or statements to bring to the table.
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Sorry, I'll go back, I must have missed it...
Honestly, I really don't care if anyone chooses to smoke, whether cigarettes, cigars, pot, crack, whatever. Thier body, their choice. Same with you all & your choice to vape...as I said, it is less harmful than smoking, and you're happy with your choice, who the @#$% am I to judge that for you and your life. It wouldn't be my choice, but your choice isn't like morally wrong or something LOL
OK, to your question...
You're right...none of our current members are going to suggest an e-cig to anyone. They'll berate them that they've failed again. (I believe in a little tough love in dealing with relapse, and I'm sure I'm going to get a PM for this back home, but we have had some people who have had their a$$es entirely handed to them on a relapse. I believe relapse itself is something to be despised, but the relaps-er doesn't deserve to have their skull cracked open, and I've come to the defense of a few people over the years.)
The thing is...it is a VERY fine line between "giving information" and what will be seen as e-cig shilling, and I don't know how to combat that. I don't have a good answer to that in my head at the moment. I'm exceptionally torn between e-cigs as NRT vs e-cigs as a "permament" nicotine delivery system...I agree entirely that we at the QSMB have to accept and recognize the former, but I disagree that we should accept the latter, and it can be a very fine line between them.
I think we can co-exist and work together, even on the QSMB. I would strongly advocate that anyone from here who wishes to post there refrain from even the faintest suggestion of "I like nicotine, and I like e-cigs, and I'm never quitting", as it will start a fight. I will come to the defense of any member of these boards if attacked for suggesting e-cigs as NRT on the QSMB, especially in the case of trying to help a member of ours that is struggling...but I will also politely call out any suggestion of "nicotine = good, so don't worry about quitting it" there too. If we're to find the middle ground, you will have to accept that on the QSMB, we are fighting for nicotine abstenence in the end, and that nicotine cessation policy, official or unofficial, is not changing anytime that I can see.
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I do believe that it sounds like a fair compromise. I would ask that you maybe start with the smart ... that came up with Edrunk? I'm certain posts like his will NOT aide in transitioning either "side" to a comfortable middleground. I haven't joined "over there" yet, but I'm feeling better about possibly doing so to contribute helpful, not forceful info if needed. I would also like to participate in some of the conversations that discuss the different side effects of quitting tobacco (not neccessarily nicotine, as I do still inhale that) or even provide moral support for those who have become nicotine free. Of course, I should say I WAS feeling better until I read that post which pretty much just mocks our beliefs...others may feel the same. It's one thing to have a strong opinion, but another to be a total jackass....
Anyways, I just wanted to say again, how proud I am of "both sides" for remaining calm and discussing and working through our differences of opinion. It's nice to know that there are still reasonable people left in this world, even if we don't completely agree!!!
Anyways, I just wanted to say again, how proud I am of "both sides" for remaining calm and discussing and working through our differences of opinion. It's nice to know that there are still reasonable people left in this world, even if we don't completely agree!!!
Sprry...guys, we have a legit e-cig as NRT question being asked ont he QSMB, and I'd like someone more knowledgeable than I am to respond. Thanks
Since I can no longer post, someone may with my permission relay that one member in the e-cig forum has reduced their nic-usage from 24mg to 12mg in less than 3 months.
Let her/him know that it completely depends on how they feel. They should try 18mg, and if their craving are still too high (they still want a cig) to go back to 24mg. If she feels comfortable at 18mg to go with it, or, even try 12mg to see if that works as well.
Point is, keep decreasing until you feel the need to smoke then step back up to the lowest level you were last comfortable at.
Why not direct her here so she may get her answers without possible repercusssions?
For the 10 yrs of working 9pm-7am if it wasn't for caffiene I'd never would survive working all nite-use to do coffee but going thru the change fixed that-i do miss drinking it tho.
e-cigarettes
snus
lozenges
strips
orbs
gum
sticks
chew
All 95 - 99.9% "cleaner" and "safer" than smoking. Why would anyone have to go back to smoking just to get nicotine?
(PS. Thank you for your nice post at the other forum.)
We should bear in mind that Greenie has only been off the cigarettes for 8 months. There is nothing like a ZONC (Zeal Of the Newly Converted). So really, I don't think she is in any position to sprout constantly about how easy it was, or how free she is. I've given up for up to a year at a time, and fallen off the wagon. Most of us probably have! (well, those of us over 35, anyway). I'm more confident this time, because of ecigs, but still, I don't brag about it yet, it's too soon.
No way in hell will Greenie make it to a year - she's way too tense.
be here sept 9 & we'll see who's still smoke free & I NEVER said it was easy almost everyday I think God let me have 1 & then remember the quit meter & all the hard work to get & stay free & I just turn away.
Well then, real mature. Oh well, 56 is the new 13 they're saying anyways...
Is any current member of the QSMB gonna answer that person's question? You can just copy and paste my message if you don't feel like typing
Is any current member of the QSMB gonna answer that person's question? You can just copy and paste my message if you don't feel like typing
I did respond, but I have to wait for the response to be approved. I pretty much said you said and just added a little note at the end about pming me for more info.
Oh, and just ignore her. She'll go away if no one plays with her. It works for my kids when they're harrassing me. LOL
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It went through!!
I pretty much said you said and just added a little note at the end about pming me for more info. Oh, and just ignore her. She'll go away if no one plays with her. It works for my kids when they're harrassing me. LOL
Well then, real mature. Oh well, 56 is the new 13 they're saying anyways...
Is any current member of the QSMB gonna answer that person's question? You can just copy and paste my message if you don't feel like typing
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It went through!!
We should bear in mind that Greenie has only been off the cigarettes for 8 months. There is nothing like a ZONC (Zeal Of the Newly Converted). So really, I don't think she is in any position to sprout constantly about how easy it was, or how free she is. I've given up for up to a year at a time, and fallen off the wagon. Most of us probably have! (well, those of us over 35, anyway). I'm more confident this time, because of ecigs, but still, I don't brag about it yet, it's too soon.
No way in hell will Greenie make it to a year - she's way too tense.
I know this was said in jest (at least I hope so), but wishing/expecting anyone to fall of the wagon and return to smoking cigarettes is a bit unfair. Most of what she has posted has been immature, and I may disagree with her, but I really hope she can keep her quit.
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