I might have tried your E cig thing if my heart dr. would of said "gee you smoke-you'd better smoke an e cig" but instead he said quit or die so for 1 1/2 yrs i tried different ways & then said screw it & just quit while using a less then normal dose of wellburtrin
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Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists
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Why do you insist on continuing to fan the flames with nitejanitor/greenlover?
We already know her position on addiction, nicotine, and vaping.
Awesome green
I'm glad you've found a way that works for you to cease smoking.Around these parts, we welcome and praise any method used to get there.
Because as we have all agreed upon, cigarettes are more addictive than nicotine alone...people generally relapse back to the addiction they know satisfies the cravings IF they relapse.
You have to keep in mind here (I'm sorry, I never thought to say this specifically, it is considered "common knowledge" on the QSMB, and I don't say that to be elitist, but it is easily overlooked) - you and me...and lets forget the line of nicotine/no nicotine for this moment...we're the bloody lucky ones...we're the ones that (god/allah/the invisible spaghetti monster/whatever you believe in) willing, we're the ones that won the war against the cigarette...of course (99.9%) of us won't go back.
But lets assume that the NRT success rate is around 15% at one year (sorry, not "assume", this is a normally accepted statistc of NRT failure rates at 1 year), and assume that e-cigs would share a similar success rate. That means 85% go back to analogs.
But we're the advocates, the ones fighting for quitting smoking - we're the success stories. The people that hang around your forum and the QSMB...we're the winners. The 85% don't hang around, and don't evangeicilize our proven quit smoking method.
These 85% don't HAVE to go back to smoking to get nicotine, but they do. That is simple fact.
I now return you to the regularly scheduled line between smoking cessation and nicotine cessation
Sammy
Well I plan on asking my dr. why they don't push your e cig thing if its such a great way to quit & please don't respond with that big pharm crap cause dr.s get all sorts of kickbacks I beat all heart drs. get kickbacks for every plavix script they write!!! oh yeah at 7/11 a disposible is $20 a starter kit is $60 but you guys say those are junk ones.
Sorry, total sideline here...but curvychic...the way you are handling yourself on the QSMB is awesome. You will become known as a e-cig supporter, and you'll gain everyone else's trust fast by just posting support to members, like you did with our newbie.
I think we might just all get along
I think we might just all get along
+1
I went back to the beginning of her posts on that forum. I was curious to know if she has always been this way.
nitejanitor/greenlover had a heart attack at 54 - her doctor told her she had to quit smoking.
My god that had to be one scary wake up call.
She has really struggled with getting off of cigarettes. But, she finally did. She has had quite the journey.
That does not give her an excuse for her behavior both on QSMB and over here.
But it does kind of make sense about why she is so zealous about it.
She will keep her quit and if she needs support - I will still offer it cause no one needs to die from smoking.
My intention was not to fan flames but to ask a legit question. I haven't heard nitejanitor's opinion on this yet and wanted to know.
If you examine all my other posts, here and over there, you will see that I try everything I can not be start an argument.
I admit, that comment was childish of me, and I shouldn't have risen to her bait. She got under my skin.
I had a heart attack too. Two of them. And I still Couldn't quit smoking. It took 9 years of trying, and failing, until I found the ecig.
So, yeah, sorry for stooping to her level.
I had a heart attack too. Two of them. And I still Couldn't quit smoking. It took 9 years of trying, and failing, until I found the ecig.
So, yeah, sorry for stooping to her level.
Excellent Green! Please do ask your Doctor what they think of it, and please, don't hesitate to report their opinion, I know I am interested to know what they think.
I'm glad to see that you've taken an interest, albeit in vain or an actual one. Of course, I strongly recommend that you stick with what was working with you originally, but should you ever just feel like knowing more just to know more, I'll gladly give what knowledge I know.
Those 7/11 brand e-cigs, Njoy usually, are a basic 510 battery. Now, as I am explaining this, unless you're a little electronic savvy, you're just gonna have to trust me (or look it up yourself, either way
) So anyways, the 510 is just a standard 180mAh-230mAh (I believe) battery that most of the time resembles the shape of a cigarette. Those things are WEAK. And by that I mean, the battery life is terrible, the cartridges they come with usually taste terrible and the draw (Throat hit we call it around here) is also, you've guessed it, terrible.Now, you can easily procure a nice Riva or eGo starter kit for $30-$40 with everything needed to get started. (I personally started with the eGo and still use those batteries to this day along with other PV's or electronic cigarettes). They're larger batteries, usually around 650-750mAh, so that means a lot more life before you have to charge them again. They're usually Manual batteries, so that means you have to press a button to make it fire (rather than the Automatic batteries that work when you draw on them, or take a hit if you will.)
Now, usually, you'll have to go a little extra to get fully set-up and comfortable with vaping. Such as, finding the right atomizers (the little guy that boils the liquid, giving you vapor. Basically the heart of the e-cig) and they vary by resistance (ohms) and finding the right juice, which also includes nic-strength, flavor, vapor production and different levels of pg/vg (propylene glycol and vegetable glycerol).
It seems complicated, but really, it's not at all. There is FAR FAR more to be said, but to get a beginner started, I'd wager that you could effectively do it with less than $50, guaranteed.
Anyone else may chime in, if I forgot something.
Thank you Sammy!!! I support the struggle that we all go through in letting the tobacco go. Whether vaping is considered ex smoking, or nicotine is evil, or any other topic we may not all see eye to eye on, I think we can all agree that putting the tobacco down was one huge step in the right direction for all of us! I just want to see everyone succeed in whatever method they choose. And if they'd like some advice on something that I just happen to know a little bit about, well...I'd like to share what I know. Same as I would expect from other members if I needed some more information about complete nic cessation. I do believe that we can all just get along. Group hugs for everyone!!!
Sorry, total sideline here...but curvychic...the way you are handling yourself on the QSMB is awesome. You will become known as a e-cig supporter, and you'll gain everyone else's trust fast by just posting support to members, like you did with our newbie.
I think we might just all get along
Agreed....we should all get along. We are aiming for the same end result whether we realize it or not.
I did read all of the posts on both forums and I truly believe you didn't try to start a flame war. However, as the debate has continued, I've also read a lot of passive aggressive jabs directed towards her to elicit a reaction.
You are right about that. And I think you are doing really good with your quit. Keep up the good work.
Not true. I don't do those types of things. If I am going to elicit anything it is going to be an honest response to a query. Post them in context for all to see and let my peers be my judge.
John, I think all of you that have posted there have shown amazing restraint, considering.
My gosh!
Long long thread...
Bottom line:
Sammy happens to practice a form of 'religion' and his goal is to stay 'sin-free' (tobacco is sin...) and anything which contains nicotine is a potential path to sin... So, If you use e-cigs that wouldnt make you a sinner per se but virtually... mmm...
What if juice was not available anymore?
On the other hand, he claims that we are all sinners in nature and once a sinner...
But he is staying clean...
The possibility of Sammy smoking again is nothing compared to that of e-cig users going back to traditional smokes... If all juice VANISHED !!!
His arguments and logics sound so familiar to me...
Sammy came here being polite... But he took many things for granted...
Many many things...
He thinks vaping with nic involves a big risk of going back to analogs... And zero nic is just stupid!
Stupid... Yes; He says he couldnt figure why someone would want to do that...
Well... Im not going to reply to that because I find his ways and arguments translate into a very assumptive premise and implies an approach fully biased; there is shallow and dark philosophy deep down...
I DO also take for granted myself the fact that Sammy is nothing but someones who smokes in the closet!
For it is either that or fundamentalism...
He comes here pretending to be polite but treats us as if we were "wrong"... Even tries to make a statement we are the same...
As in "We are two different religions ((BUT mine is better...))"
Yeah... Of course...
But...
Truth is...
We are a kind of (an online) family. We have learned, laughed; worried together for many years... Many of us do share a lot of features; we are obsessive; we love doing research; learning... Discovering the truth... Sharing... Many of us used to be hypochondriac about vaping circumstances at first... And we ended up being confident after hours and hours of unbiased study. We used to be confused about the whole vaping thing...
But we have gone a long way...
We have EVOLVED together...
We are the First Generation of Vapers in the world. We have our unique culture.
We are "the future"...
"They" are the past... pretending to be "polite" as long as we respect their dogmas.
.... their dogmas...!
What the heck is an 'addiction' anyway...
The very spirit to this forum implies we would further on that concept with an open mind and aiming at the truth...
They wont... Sammy has come into our house with his 'dictionaries' and books...
And he even kicked us out from his place in the first place.
.... him... He aint anything but an obsolete artifact from the past...!
And dont even mind to answer back Sammy... Dont take this personally; Im not willing to discuss with you because you sound like an old shool "dad" dressed up as a modern one, and your attitude of pretending to know better is a turn off.
This post is not for you; its for my community...
When it comes to you... You are not welcome as far as I am concerned... I dont like being "evangelized" by someone who claims the have found the 'truth' or similar...
Ok... Maybe you ARE welcome... Because we are like that... But I just wanted to "word-punch" you in the face, heee.
Puffing away is enrooted in the very human soul... Maybe you should integrate more philosophycal and anthropological books into your daily reading and not just stick to the bible...
The reason you are posting here is because your community was 'violent' in the first place...
I mean...
Dont get me wrong... Maybe you are just a simple confused 'iniciado'... Nevertheless you are out of order...
Just my opinion to my community. Which happens to be friendly to the point of stupidity... Maybe you could learn something here Sammy...
You may even reconsider your ego... (Huuuuuuaaaaaaa!)
Long long thread...
Bottom line:
Sammy happens to practice a form of 'religion' and his goal is to stay 'sin-free' (tobacco is sin...) and anything which contains nicotine is a potential path to sin... So, If you use e-cigs that wouldnt make you a sinner per se but virtually... mmm...
What if juice was not available anymore?
On the other hand, he claims that we are all sinners in nature and once a sinner...
But he is staying clean...
The possibility of Sammy smoking again is nothing compared to that of e-cig users going back to traditional smokes... If all juice VANISHED !!!
His arguments and logics sound so familiar to me...
Sammy came here being polite... But he took many things for granted...
Many many things...
He thinks vaping with nic involves a big risk of going back to analogs... And zero nic is just stupid!
Stupid... Yes; He says he couldnt figure why someone would want to do that...
Well... Im not going to reply to that because I find his ways and arguments translate into a very assumptive premise and implies an approach fully biased; there is shallow and dark philosophy deep down...
I DO also take for granted myself the fact that Sammy is nothing but someones who smokes in the closet!
For it is either that or fundamentalism...
He comes here pretending to be polite but treats us as if we were "wrong"... Even tries to make a statement we are the same...
As in "We are two different religions ((BUT mine is better...))"
Yeah... Of course...
But...
Truth is...
We are a kind of (an online) family. We have learned, laughed; worried together for many years... Many of us do share a lot of features; we are obsessive; we love doing research; learning... Discovering the truth... Sharing... Many of us used to be hypochondriac about vaping circumstances at first... And we ended up being confident after hours and hours of unbiased study. We used to be confused about the whole vaping thing...
But we have gone a long way...
We have EVOLVED together...
We are the First Generation of Vapers in the world. We have our unique culture.
We are "the future"...
"They" are the past... pretending to be "polite" as long as we respect their dogmas.
.... their dogmas...!
What the heck is an 'addiction' anyway...
The very spirit to this forum implies we would further on that concept with an open mind and aiming at the truth...
They wont... Sammy has come into our house with his 'dictionaries' and books...
And he even kicked us out from his place in the first place.
.... him... He aint anything but an obsolete artifact from the past...!
And dont even mind to answer back Sammy... Dont take this personally; Im not willing to discuss with you because you sound like an old shool "dad" dressed up as a modern one, and your attitude of pretending to know better is a turn off.
This post is not for you; its for my community...
When it comes to you... You are not welcome as far as I am concerned... I dont like being "evangelized" by someone who claims the have found the 'truth' or similar...
Ok... Maybe you ARE welcome... Because we are like that... But I just wanted to "word-punch" you in the face, heee.
Puffing away is enrooted in the very human soul... Maybe you should integrate more philosophycal and anthropological books into your daily reading and not just stick to the bible...
The reason you are posting here is because your community was 'violent' in the first place...
I mean...
Dont get me wrong... Maybe you are just a simple confused 'iniciado'... Nevertheless you are out of order...
Just my opinion to my community. Which happens to be friendly to the point of stupidity... Maybe you could learn something here Sammy...
You may even reconsider your ego...
(Huuuuuuaaaaaaa!)
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This is pretty cool everyone. A dr who endorses the e-cig. He makes a good point. Quitting smoking is the most important thing a smoker needs to do, even if you use the e-cig as your solution, at least you won't be smoking anymore.
My school priest used to think that having intercourse without the intention to procreate was stupid...
And the vaping-without-nic-being-stupid line reminded me of this...
In fact you remind me pretty much of him...
One day we caught him red handed having intercourse with a nun...
But maybe that was not stupid because they might have been after a baby, right, Sammy??
And the vaping-without-nic-being-stupid line reminded me of this...
In fact you remind me pretty much of him...
One day we caught him red handed having intercourse with a nun...
But maybe that was not stupid because they might have been after a baby, right, Sammy??
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