Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists

[John Phoenix]

To each their own-each side has their beliefs or whatevere & theirs no compromising, like on the Q board their a big dividing line when it comes to tough love & those who choose to relaspe but I'm sure that on this website theirs something special in those E cigs thats makes everyone be on the same page 100% right?

Yeah you are. It's called: FREEDOM. Freedom from getting killed from tobacco smoke. Freedom from having to quit if you don't want to, something you love to do just because the rest of the world says you have to. Freedom to choose your own path and be the master of your own destiny.

Many people do want to get off nicotine but many of us don't and that's o.k too. We don't have to be burdened with the negative associations that come with being "an addict" because the nicotine won't cause any disease and kill us. That's good enough for us.

See this video here from a doctor about nicotine in e-cigs if you haven't already.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ware-quit-smoking-purists-62.html#post3299925

 

[nitejanitor]

I saw it-too bad it was on You Tube. But yeah with quitting drs. don't care if you love smoking so they scare you with quit or else-thats all I heard after my heart attack. So in time I worked on my attitude & decided better to quit then die but I can understand those who love & refuse to quit & if they can get away with it then lucky them. But you can always tell the ones forced ito quitting their the crabby/snotty ones luckily most have a change of attitude which makes quitting doable for most,so people just need to choose which they prefer. I tell you at first I had wished I had died thats how much I hated quitting.

 

[ShannonA]

Good attitude-that kind of posting had better be used here then there. To each their own-each side has their beliefs or whatevere & theirs no compromising, like on the Q board their a big dividing line when it comes to tough love & those who choose to relaspe but I'm sure that on this website theirs something special in those E cigs thats makes everyone be on the same page 100% right?

Wow looks like I missed a lot during my vacation. Of course we're not all on the same page all the time but we keep our disagreements respectful. I think that's because most of us if not all of understand there's no mold, no one size fits all way of doing things or reason for doing things. When you accept that we're all adults, we're all different and we're all free to make our own life choices (at least for now) it makes it easier to express opposing points of view with civility .

 

[nitejanitor]

Well being polite & not being mean & saying someone is ignorent(sorry) that goes along way-no one likes it when its implied their stupid as the day is long cause they see their quit method as a good choice but not all methods work-like some are stuck on cold turkey & to me those who prefer that they think it gives them higher bragging rights-what for cause you suffered more. Sure NRT or crutches help alot to get that foot in the door for a quit after all everyone can agree that quitting "sucks" & theirs no magic wand to make it easy. For some (me to a point) found that having a good attitude can make or break their quit-you know if you want it to be hard then yep you got your wish. I think some see you guys as lucky-you all get to "do it" & for those forced into quitting they figure wish their was other choices just like having just one ,some people can "cheat" & not return to fulltime smoking & I think a person could have one & depending on how grounded their quit is can pull it off but for some it wakes up those nic receptors & you're back at it only worst. But that zero nic thing really makes a quitter think twice-its like is this for real I can go back to smoking & not get cancer or have another heart attack cause I for one don't trust drs.-I figure they tell you whatever after all if you keep smoking for real then thats more money in their pockets-thanks for the info it has given me some insite.

 

[ShannonA]

Well being polite & not being mean & saying someone is ignorent(sorry) that goes along way-no one likes it when its implied their stupid as the day is long cause they see their quit method as a good choice but not all methods work-like some are stuck on cold turkey & to me those who prefer that they think it gives them higher bragging rights-what for cause you suffered more. Sure NRT or crutches help alot to get that foot in the door for a quit after all everyone can agree that quitting "sucks" & theirs no magic wand to make it easy. For some (me to a point) found that having a good attitude can make or break their quit-you know if you want it to be hard then yep you got your wish. I think some see you guys as lucky-you all get to "do it" & for those forced into quitting they figure wish their was other choices just like having just one ,some people can "cheat" & not return to fulltime smoking & I think a person could have one & depending on how grounded their quit is can pull it off but for some it wakes up those nic receptors & you're back at it only worst. But that zero nic thing really makes a quitter think twice-its like is this for real I can go back to smoking & not get cancer or have another heart attack cause I for one don't trust drs.-I figure they tell you whatever after all if you keep smoking for real then thats more money in their pockets-thanks for the info it has given me some insite.

Yuo're right people don't like to be treated rudely because their method isn't your method. You should give that some serious thought because your as guilty as anyone of acting that way.

I don't say that to pick at you. I say it because that's what I see that's what brought me to your board. Calling someone an addict especially when you're an addict yourself if a recoering one is just as rude as calling them ignorant.

Or calling us "those e-cig people". I am not an e-cig person. I vape, I use a pv the only time I even use the term e-cig is when I'm talking to people who aren't familiar with the term pv. That is a thing I do. That is not the sum of who I am. I am a vaper but I am also many other things such as a wife, a mother, a help desk specialist, a pet owner, a friend...the list is quite long.

Most of us weren't trying to say our method was better than yours. We were merely saying this worked for us if you're looking for another option. Most of my posts were just commenting on acting childish and/or rude and didn't get much into methods at all.

I believe in freedom of choice. The same freedom of choice my forefathers died for and is being taken away from us one small choice at a time. This you should do it my way mentality is what drives the slow death of personal freedom that is taking place all around us. One day we will wake up in a police state if we don't wake up and support personal freedom rather than attack it and if that day comes we will have no one but ourselves to blame.

You may think I'm being melodramatic... after all its only a forum. Its not just a forum its many forums and its a symptom of how people think they can force their prejudices and value on others... It spills out into society in the form of over governing.

 

[RichardLOZ]

I have to say that it is nice to see after a bit of a bump that we all seem to have settled down somewhat, and are now beginning to actually discuss and perhaps even respect the differences between the two mindsets.

For those of you over on the QSMB who believe that the only way is total and absolute abstinence from nicotine, all power to you and I wish you all the best. For those of us over here we have a somewhat different mindset. Some are working their way to 0 nic and some are happy to just float along on whatever mg of nic is required by them to stay happy and FREE from ever going back to smoking.

Lets just get one things straight though. IT IS NOT the nicotine that will give you the cancer of kill you. It is the combination of the other 4000 odd chemicals and the breathing in of smoke that will do that for you. Give it time and you will eventually see medications that probably contain nicotine, used to treat a variety of other aliments at some point in the future.

I guess for now we just need to agree to disagree on our ideologies, but ultimately we are both after the same thing in a roundabout kind of way. We have no intention of pushing vaping on your forum, however if someone genuinely asks a question in regards to it, I feel that a member from here who is more versed with that method is far better qualified to answer their question. Is that ultimately not better than coming down on them like a ton of bricks either because that want to do it in a way that is different to your fixed ideas. Another person vaping also means another person NOT smoking. That has to be a win overall, wouldn't you say?

Regards

Richard

 

[Samalie0]

Revolver,

I'm no leader of the QSMB - if anything, I'm a bit of an outsider there myself, because I've dared to go against the flow a few too many times, much like I am continuing to do there this morning after one of our members started playing the "get off nicotine!" to a user there last night wanting info on stepping down e-cig cartridge levels.

And you're right in some ways - our desire for nicotine cessation is at least a little religion-like.

But seriously, while it won't be the position of the QSMB, I agree that harm reduction via vaping is better than people smoking cigarettes. But I will never believe that desiring, and doing everything possible to be off nicotine entirely is a bad thing. Would you say that it is wrong to desire to be clean off nicotine?

And yes, I admit freely, I do not understand why you would continue to vape at 0 nicotine...I do think it is "stupid" to "waste money" on 0 nic flavored air...BUT...if it keeps you off cigarettes, then really, whatever...your money, your body, your choice. Just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean you're wrong.

Now...to be blunt...your comments that I'm a "closet smoker" are, quite frankly, offensive. I picked a different path to smoking cessation than you, we've both been successful in that, and stating your thoughts otherwise is just as bad as our members (including myself) giving your membership grief, and us flaming you for offering e-cigarette information on our forums. And, since I speak only for myself and not the board...I've already apologized and done my best here yesterday to extend the olive branch and try to work together.

I didn't come here to change your mind on the QSMB's nicoine-cessation ways...I came here in the hopes I could help people here understand where our opinion comes from. In that discussion, we have found a middle ground to see that people wanting harm reduction in e-cigs (but no desire to end their use of nicotine) be directed here, while I'm doing all that I can personally to see that e-cigs are accepted on my boards as a legitimate nicotine cessation method...in that sense, through all this discussion, e-cigs "won" on the QSMB. I like to think that as something really positive that has come out of the rational and respectful discussion here.

I'm just glad that you seem to be the only one who thinks I'm a jerk for posting here...because honestly, I think some anti-tobacco good has been done today. I'm sorry you don't see it the same way.

Sammy

Edit to add: Richard - exactly. Our methods may differ, but we both do good in the world on getting people off cigarettes.

 

[mgordon1100]

Sorry, but just no. That's not even a remotely fair question to ask me. You wan to talk about greenlover, talk to greenlover.

Well, I asked you because I'm not a member of that other forum, nor will I join. I have no need to. I had no idea that she was here, because she's not using her name. We are having a discussion in private now. :read "discussion": It's pleasant. But, my question finally got your attention. :yes: It's the first time someone finally responded to me in this thread.

 

[mgordon1100]

And yes, I admit freely, I do not understand why you would continue to vape at 0 nicotine...I do think it is "stupid" to "waste money" on 0 nic flavored air...BUT...if it keeps you off cigarettes, then really, whatever...your money, your body, your choice. Just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean you're wrong.

I'm not revolver, but I can answer this just like anyone else can. It's not about the nicotine. When a heavy smoker says, "I gotta have a cigarette, I'm going crazy", they know it's the nic fit kicking in. When someone switches from smoking cigarettes to vaping, they are immediately reducing their nicotine input by at least half. It immediately starts the process of coming down off of nicotine. As already stated many times, there's also the hand to mouth addiction. In my book, putting your hand to your mouth is not going to cause a heart attack. A lot of us like to smoke. We don't like the smoke, we don't like the health issues, but we like to smoke. Liking to smoke has nothing to do with the nic, it's a separate issue. Vaping 0 nic is a pleasurable experience, because it's still like smoking, and there are wonderful flavors that go along with it.

 

[ShannonA]

I'm not revolver, but I can answer this just like anyone else can. It's not about the nicotine. When a heavy smoker says, "I gotta have a cigarette, I'm going crazy", they know it's the nic fit kicking in. When someone switches from smoking cigarettes to vaping, they are immediately reducing their nicotine input by at least half. It immediately starts the process of coming down off of nicotine. As already stated many times, there's also the hand to mouth addiction. In my book, putting your hand to your mouth is not going to cause a heart attack. A lot of us like to smoke. We don't like the smoke, we don't like the health issues, but we like to smoke. Liking to smoke has nothing to do with the nic, it's a separate issue. Vaping 0 nic is a pleasurable experience, because it's still like smoking, and there are wonderful flavors that go along with it.

I'd like to add to this. Keeping your pv and zero nic liquid on hand in my mind would be a good idea even if one didn't vape all the time. When that crisis hits...and it will. Rather than buying a pack of smokes you can load up your pv and vape away... no nicotine, no smoke.

 

[mgordon1100]

Nice add, Shannon, but I think that doesn't quite work for someone who wants to quit everything all together. At least that's not the way I'm understanding it. The way I'm receiving this, is that would lead someone down the path to going out and buying cigarettes. I could be wrong though. It wouldn't be the first time.

On the subject of crisis, I'm happy to say that I'm not in one. I just broke my last cartomizer, so I'm out. I could try to fix one, and I'd probably be successful, but I'm not. I'm waiting for the mail to come with some brand new blanks. I'm not going to go out and by any pre-filled ones. I can wait. Tell me that I'm not on the road to quitting. When I was smoking cigs, once I was out, I'd have to go buy a pack. Even if I was going to sleep, I'd have to have that pack here. Also, I woke up in the middle of the night. I didn't take any drags off of the PV. I used to always have a cigarette if I woke up in the middle of the night. I'd wake up, have a smoke, stay up for half an hour to an hour. This time, I woke up, went to the bathroom, and went back to sleep. A)I'm not going to go back to cigarettes, and B)I'm not panicking because I can't have my nicotine. So, I wait. No big deal. Here, I'll pat myself on the back so none of you have to. Done.

 

[ShannonA]

Nice add, Shannon, but I think that doesn't quite work for someone who wants to quit everything all together. At least that's not the way I'm understanding it. The way I'm receiving this, is that would lead someone down the path to going out and buying cigarettes. I could be wrong though. It wouldn't be the first time.

On the subject of crisis, I'm happy to say that I'm not in one. I just broke my last cartomizer, so I'm out. I could try to fix one, and I'd probably be successful, but I'm not. I'm waiting for the mail to come with some brand new blanks. I'm not going to go out and by any pre-filled ones. I can wait. Tell me that I'm not on the road to quitting. When I was smoking cigs, once I was out, I'd have to go buy a pack. Even if I was going to sleep, I'd have to have that pack here. Also, I woke up in the middle of the night. I didn't take any drags off of the PV. I used to always have a cigarette if I woke up in the middle of the night. I'd wake up, have a smoke, stay up for half an hour to an hour. This time, I woke up, went to the bathroom, and went back to sleep. A)I'm not going to go back to cigarettes, and B)I'm not panicking because I can't have my nicotine. So, I wait. No big deal. Here, I'll pat myself on the back so none of you have to. Done.

That's awesome... I do disagree though on it leading back to cigs. How many people quit completely and then bam! something stressful happens and they go buy a pack of smokes? I think having a pv would give them another option and since unlike say the patch it emulates the act it might actually prevent them from going back. For me if I quit vaping entirely (I havent' decided if I will but I am steppingdown to zero nic). I'm keeping my pv I don't want to get on that ride again.

 

[mgordon1100]

I'm with you Shannon, don't get me wrong. I'm just reiterating the points made that prompted this thread to start with. They said that cigarettes lead to pot. They said that pot leads to coke They said that coke leads to acid. They said that acid leads to ....... They said a lot of things, all of which were untrue for the general audience.

 

[Samalie0]

I'd like to add to this. Keeping your pv and zero nic liquid on hand in my mind would be a good idea even if one didn't vape all the time. When that crisis hits...and it will. Rather than buying a pack of smokes you can load up your pv and vape away... no nicotine, no smoke.

Excellent point, and one I never thought of. Thanks

 

[mgordon1100]

Hey Sammy! :waves:

 

[Samalie0]

Heya mgordon

 

[ShannonA]

I'm with you Shannon, don't get me wrong. I'm just reiterating the points made that prompted this thread to start with. They said that cigarettes lead to pot. They said that pot leads to coke They said that coke leads to acid. They said that acid leads to ....... They said a lot of things, all of which were untrue for the general audience.

Ahhh yes the gateway drug thing. Don't know if its true or not in general but my gateway drug was alcohol. The cigs came after.

 

[MustangSallie]

Good attitude-that kind of posting had better be used here then there. To each their own-each side has their beliefs or whatevere & theirs no compromising, like on the Q board their a big dividing line when it comes to tough love & those who choose to relaspe but I'm sure that on this website theirs something special in those E cigs thats makes everyone be on the same page 100% right?

Well see, that's where you've gone wrong. We're not all on the same page here. Quite the contrary.

Some of us want to get to zero nic and stop vaping, some of us want to get to zero nic and keep vaping, and some of us don't care about our nic level and we continue vaping. There are even those of us who continue to smoke while vaping.

Some of us think that the juice we use is 100% safe, and some believe it may not be. However, I guess we DO all agree that it's most likely safer then smoking.

Some think that Big Pharma is the devil, some don't. Some think that nicotine is addictive, some don't.

That is the huge difference between our forum and your forum. We are allowed to disagree with each other here and we do it a lot. The only thing is, when we disagree you'd be hard pressed to identify it as such because we do it respectfully and with a willingness to learn with an opportunity to change our points of view.

 

[classwife]

Good Morning ! You all made it through the night with honor !

This has been quite a rollercoaster read the past week.....

 

[ShannonA]

Good Morning ! You all made it through the night with honor !

This has been quite a rollercoaster read the past week.....

Hi classwife how are you this fine morning?