Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists

[classwife]

I am great Shannon !!

Thank you for asking !!!

I am feeling pretty perky this morning.....I don't debate, but I just had a compuslion to find my March 19th, 1 year no smoking cigarette post and put it here....
As someone that would have never quit smoking....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-success-stories/171553-one-year-smoke-free.html

I am still amazed !

 

[ShannonA]

I am great Shannon !!

Thank you for asking !!!

I am feeling pretty perky this morning.....I don't debate, but I just had a compuslion to find my March 19th, 1 year no smoking cigarette post and put it here....
As someone that would have never quit smoking....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-success-stories/171553-one-year-smoke-free.html

I am still amazed !

Wow yours is a real saved my life story then... That post was near my join date but I didn't get my e-cig till April...anyway that's awesome maybe the best success tory I've read to date... I'm so happy you found something to keep you off smokes.

 

[Curvychic]

Congratulations Classwife!!! I'm only 2 months and a week into my quit smoking journey! I commend you! Here's to many more years without the analogs!!

I am great Shannon !!

Thank you for asking !!!

I am feeling pretty perky this morning.....I don't debate, but I just had a compuslion to find my March 19th, 1 year no smoking cigarette post and put it here....
As someone that would have never quit smoking....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-success-stories/171553-one-year-smoke-free.html

I am still amazed !

 

[classwife]

Thank you...I smoked cigarettes for over 40 years....grew up with smoking parents...

Would STILL be smoking cigarettes without this alternative...

 

[Curvychic]

Me too! I have quit 3 times before using cold turkey...the longest stint was 3 1/2 years. I don't why I decided to pick up that cigarette again, but I did. I would probably still be smoking to if it weren't for my pv. My hubby, my brother and I kept saying "this is our last pack, our last carton, our last cig..." but we'd always end up running to the store to get some more. I kept looking for excuses to continue smoking, but saying I wanted to quit. I can honestly say now that I have NO intentions of EVER smoking a filthy analog.

Thank you...I smoked cigarettes for over 40 years....grew up with smoking parents...

Would STILL be smoking cigarettes without this alternative...

 

[Katmandu]

I admit, that comment was childish of me, and I shouldn't have risen to her bait. She got under my skin.

I had a heart attack too. Two of them. And I still Couldn't quit smoking. It took 9 years of trying, and failing, until I found the ecig.

So, yeah, sorry for stooping to her level.

It's really easy to get pulled into it - at one point I was so angry I had to walk away from the computer and not read anymore until I calmed down.

I'm glad you found ecigs - your journey has been a hard one - just like nightjanitor/greenlover's - but even though your methods to quit were different - you are both now better off.

Hugs to you!

 

[classwife]

Now....here is the tough part.......


If I couldn't vape....take all the equipment and supplies away....If I couldn't build my own PV, couldn't make my own liquid.....




I would probably smoke cigarettes....




This alternative is needed.

 

[Randyrtx]

On the gateway subject:

For me, and I think for many others here, e-cigs are not simply a substitute for smoking; they are a complete, far superior replacement. Why would we choose to go back to a less satisfying cigarette when we have the better option?

From the first puff I took from an e-cig, I knew that smoking would never be the same for me again. I can say with absolute confidence, that I will never feel the need to smoke. Even if I did, smoking would be a gateway back to vaping, not the reverse.

 

[uba egar320]

This thread has been a pretty cool read. I went over and saw some of the comments, but left it at that. I see good points on both sides. But I thought I would add this. I was DOOMED to smoke until I died. Up until a year and a half ago, I had never worked a day in my life without tobacco. I quit instantly with an ecig in Nov 2009, after trying EVERY NRT on the market. Some several times. I would quit for a month or so, and then...well, you guys know the story. I can understand why some would be skeptical of the ecig. Really, I do. But imo, it's a miracle. I've got a new lease on life. For the sole purpose of getting folks off of tobacco, there has to be more alternatives available. TO condemn this method, imo, is to condemn some poor ....... to a death sentence. So that should be recognized on the other site. EVERY single one of the 400,000 folks that die every year in America alone have thought about quitting multiple times. Probably every time they would lite up. Traditional methods just didn't cut it for them. I just ask for our brethren in the other site to keep that in mind when speaking of ECF, and the ecig in general. Hats off to you guys though. If you stay quit, then that's awesome. But don't knock my method. My doctors love it. My wife's pulmonologist(spelling?) was also very accepting. Their words were," whatever it takes to get of tobacco". That's all that matters to me. Anyone that thinks I'm still a smoker needs to saddle up beside me on a treadmill and out run me lol. You guys have a good weekend.

 

[classwife]

Hug that new baby for me Uba !!

 

[uba egar320]

Hug that new baby for me Uba !!

Will do. She's very huggable lol. As a matter of fact, giving her hugs is addictive lol!

 

[Trbobitch]

I didn't read anything after this, so I am sorry if anyone already said it... As I stated before, which you sort of answered with the "POS e-cig" response, but you ignored the part about: Why would anyone who vapes go back to cigs? We're getting everything we need: the inhale, the nicotine, the exhale, the "smoke" WITHOUT harmful health side effects, the stink, the harmful effects on others etc etc. It tastes better, it feels better it smells better, so to assume anyone who vapes and enjoys it would go back to analogs is asinine to say the least. People who use the patch, gum or some whacked out pill that causes all sorts of bad side effects are more likely to go pick up a pack of smokes than we are. You don't seem to acknowledge this.

Even with that.... If it DOESN'T work for someone, how is that any different than the patch or the gum or cold turkey not working for someone? Try something else and move on. But if it does work, and even if they continue to vape forever, so WHAT???

Because as we have all agreed upon, cigarettes are more addictive than nicotine alone...people generally relapse back to the addiction they know satisfies the cravings IF they relapse.

You have to keep in mind here (I'm sorry, I never thought to say this specifically, it is considered "common knowledge" on the QSMB, and I don't say that to be elitist, but it is easily overlooked) - you and me...and lets forget the line of nicotine/no nicotine for this moment...we're the bloody lucky ones...we're the ones that (god/allah/the invisible spaghetti monster/whatever you believe in) willing, we're the ones that won the war against the cigarette...of course (99.9%) of us won't go back.

But lets assume that the NRT success rate is around 15% at one year (sorry, not "assume", this is a normally accepted statistc of NRT failure rates at 1 year), and assume that e-cigs would share a similar success rate. That means 85% go back to analogs.

But we're the advocates, the ones fighting for quitting smoking - we're the success stories. The people that hang around your forum and the QSMB...we're the winners. The 85% don't hang around, and don't evangeicilize our proven quit smoking method.

These 85% don't HAVE to go back to smoking to get nicotine, but they do. That is simple fact.

I now return you to the regularly scheduled line between smoking cessation and nicotine cessation

Sammy

 

[leannebug]

<GAG>


I can't even continue reading that board. Glad I never ended up over there.

 

[Trbobitch]

I want to make another point to what I said above:

We now know, from doctors, that nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine. It's a stimulant and it can even have positive health effects. We know that the only dangers from smoking come from the smoke and combustion (and the chemical additions in tobacco). So, if this other forum is talking about totally quitting nicotine, then why are they not talking about also quitting caffeine? Are people over there being berated for having a soda or a cup of coffee? The only logical conclusion I can come to is that the "purists" are in fact envious of our ability to still enjoy all the things we all loved about smoking, including the nicotine, without the harmful effects.

I fail to see any issue they could take with vaping that they couldn't also take with coffee, toothpicks, nicotine gum, nose picking or smoking the hippie lettuce, except that we are getting all the things they miss about smoking without the harm of smoking. It seems they might be a bit frazzled that they had to go through such a hard time quitting (been there) while we are as happy as a fat kid at a buffet.

 

[uba egar320]

I want to make another point to what I said above:

We now know, from doctors, that nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine. It's a stimulant and it can even have positive health effects. We know that the only dangers from smoking come from the smoke and combustion (and the chemical additions in tobacco). So, if this other forum is talking about totally quitting nicotine, then why are they not talking about also quitting caffeine? Are people over there being berated for having a soda or a cup of coffee? The only logical conclusion I can come to is that the "purists" are in fact envious of our ability to still enjoy all the things we all loved about smoking, including the nicotine, without the harmful effects.

I fail to see any issue they could take with vaping that they couldn't also take with coffee, toothpicks, nicotine gum, nose picking or smoking the hippie lettuce, except that we are getting all the things they miss about smoking without the harm of smoking. It seems they might be a bit frazzled that they had to go through such a hard time quitting (been there) while we are as happy as a fat kid at a buffet.

Big'ol LOL. Pretty good stuff.

 

[Cil]

I fail to see any issue they could take with vaping that they couldn't also take with coffee, toothpicks, nicotine gum, nose picking or smoking the hippie lettuce, except that we are getting all the things they miss about smoking without the harm of smoking. It seems they might be a bit frazzled that they had to go through such a hard time quitting (been there) while we are as happy as a fat kid at a buffet.

I thinks it's probably years and years of being told the only way to stop smoking is to stop ingesting nicotine. This was the dogma that proliferated the anti smoking brigade for as long as I can remember, and I was one of them when I had previously stopped smoking.

It's hard to change a long held dogma or belief even if it isn't correct.

 

[JuiceJunkie]

After I started reading this thread yesterday, I was pretty upset and it prompted a response from me. But continuing to read all of the pages, I can say that this has turned out to be a very good "discussion" from both ECF AND QSMB. I think Sammy has done a good job of accepting "our (ECF)" ways of NO SMOKING and I applaud him for acknowledging us and our ways. There are many valid points from both sides here. Smoking is smoking; whether it be cigs, pot, tea, rolled up paper, whatever. Any means to stop smoking is a good thing in my opinion.

I have nothing against Chantix (SP?), the patch, cold turkey, whatever you choose.I tried the patch. It helped, but i ended up going back. I quit cold turkey for over a year, then my marriage took turn for the worse (not because of quitting). I started smoking heavily due to the stress. A very good friend of mine suggested the vaping route and I am 2 months being smoke free. I do have to agree with some of the posts here about "liking to smoke". I honestly believe that is the one main reason that I ended up going back to smoking every time I tried to quit. Vaping gives me everything I enjoyed about smoking without all of the bad. If vaping can help someone stop smoking, then why not...?

 

[classwife]

Nicotine has a bad reputation because of the delivery method...smoking.
Google medical uses for nicotine...

 

[DerekUrban]

Gotta give some love to Sammy here, thanks for being a reasonable individual! Your actions speak good things about the QSMB at least.

Also... Ain't nothin' wrong with the Hippy Lettuce

 

[DC2]

I'd like to add to this. Keeping your pv and zero nic liquid on hand in my mind would be a good idea even if one didn't vape all the time. When that crisis hits...and it will. Rather than buying a pack of smokes you can load up your pv and vape away... no nicotine, no smoke.

Yes, in my time here I have seen a number of people quit vaping, thinking they didn't need it anymore.
You can sometimes find these people in the classifieds selling all their vaping gear.

There are also threads from people who quit vaping, got rid of all their gear, then fell off the wagon and started smoking.
They are always asking for advice on what gear to get, like they are newbies, because so much had changed in the vaping world.