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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n/191594-smoking-pill-sucides-overlooked.html
Just...wowzer.....very sad....
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n/191594-smoking-pill-sucides-overlooked.html
Just...wowzer.....very sad....
I wonder where you got the idea that 15% is the normally accepted statistic?
To my knowledge, the normally accepted rates are around 7% at 6 months.
And while not widely known, I think a meta-analysis found the rate to be around 2% at two years.
I don't have links to that information, but I know exactly who does.
I'll PM them and see if I can get the links.
You have stated a couple of times that you figure the rate with electronic cigarettes is about the same as other NRT products.
I can tell you that there is no doubt in my mind that the rate is at least 10 times better with electronic cigarettes.
Well, at least for people that find this forum so they can buy good equipment and learn how to use it.
And when I say 10 times, I am not trying to be dramatic.
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This is the point I keep trying to make! It's not gum or pills or patches... it's an ALTERNATIVE! It's JUST like smoking except for all the bad parts of smoking.
Congratulations! I'm only two months after 30 years in, but I believe I've reached a milestone. I didn't care that I hadn't a single working carto this morning. No big deal, I'd just wait until the new ones come in the mail rather than buy them at 7-11 or :gasp: buy a pack of smokes.
Randy, nice to see someone else reads my stuff. I was worried yesterday, that I was a fly on the wall with one of those really tiny voices that you need a cartoon megaphone to hear.
Well, I was trying to drive a point home that the gateway back to cigs was really a ridiculous point for a lot of people. Sure, some people might be susceptible, but for a lot of people it's just not a viable option. You don't ban crosswalks because one person got hit by a car, right?
i read that this AM, very sad. very scary. will be smoke free 10 months tomorrow, nic free 1 week today, will vape long AD and refuse to put money in Big Pharm. prefer no side effects, thx anyway!
The idea that nicotine usage could be a gateway back to cigarettes isn't all that absurd.
At least as it relates to NRT products.
When people try to use NRT products to quit, generally speaking, it isn't very satisfying.
And ASSUMING that nicotine is highly addictive (which I don't agree with) it is a quick jump to go back to smoking.
Whereas if you are quitting cold turkey, theoretically you are losing at least some of the desire (nicotine addiction) to go back.
But with electronic cigarettes, we very often see the reverse happening to people.
They come to like electronic cigarettes better than smoking.
In fact, many actually come to detest smoking.
We've seen it here a thousand times, and there are threads that start up all the time...
"I tried a cigarette, just to see what it was like, and it was absolutely horrible"
"I can't believe I ever smoked those nasty things"
"Now I know for sure I will never go back"
When you reach the point where the electronic cigarette is preferred over the real ones, any gateway has been destroyed.
I feel like I may be starting to sound like an electronic cigarette zealot, or maybe a salesman.
But if you stick around you'll come to learn that we are all extremely zealous about this miracle that we have found.
At least as it relates to NRT products.
When people try to use NRT products to quit, generally speaking, it isn't very satisfying.
And ASSUMING that nicotine is highly addictive (which I don't agree with) it is a quick jump to go back to smoking.
Whereas if you are quitting cold turkey, theoretically you are losing at least some of the desire (nicotine addiction) to go back.
But with electronic cigarettes, we very often see the reverse happening to people.
They come to like electronic cigarettes better than smoking.
In fact, many actually come to detest smoking.
We've seen it here a thousand times, and there are threads that start up all the time...
"I tried a cigarette, just to see what it was like, and it was absolutely horrible"
"I can't believe I ever smoked those nasty things"
"Now I know for sure I will never go back"
When you reach the point where the electronic cigarette is preferred over the real ones, any gateway has been destroyed.
I feel like I may be starting to sound like an electronic cigarette zealot, or maybe a salesman.
But if you stick around you'll come to learn that we are all extremely zealous about this miracle that we have found.
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...Well, at least for people that find this forum so they can buy good equipment and learn how to use it.
And when I say 10 times, I am not trying to be dramatic.
Morning DC2
Let me say this...I agree with you entirely that the relapse rate on these boards is dramaticly better than the "normal" average, without even looking at the history of the membership here.
Here's the rub a bit...I would make the exact same claim for the QSMB - that our success rate is an order of magnitude better than the established norm.
The reason - people like us, people that hang around message boards to help & inform others...those newbies get the support they need from people in the know, and that alone has a massive effect on success rate...I firmly believe with everything that I am that without the support of the people at the QSMB I would not be nicotine free today, and I know your membership enjoys the exact same benefits from this forum as I got form the QSMB.
As I said in a previous post...people that come and participate on boards like this ARE the winners over tobacco...and so we have a much higher success rate.
But (in the absence of solid studies that show otherwise, the only available to date had such a low participation rate that the success increase attributed to e-cigs may be a statistical anomoly....more research is definitely required, and may prove this statement wrong), but I believe, "in the wild" e-cigs will have a success rate similar to that of other NRT. We'll see what science discoveres in the years to come
DC2, I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, I am in the category 1. I used those exact words. I tried one just to see. I was incredibly surprised, and that was only 3 weeks after quitting. That's right, I call it quitting.
DC2 said most of what I would have said, but I'll add that the FDA and the anti-groups have been spouting the gateway nonsense since day one of their fight against e-cigs. It will take time to overcome that, and some will never be convinced.
Sammy, (yeah, directed at you without the "quote" machine)
I just came here two days ago. I've been off of cigarettes for two months. I think we don't need the support group, for the most part. I think E-cigs just do this job. Also, a lot of people don't start these things because they want to quit smoking, so success isn't part of the equation. It's a by product. That's a big difference to trying to quit smoking, and not being able to do it without the support people.
I just came here two days ago. I've been off of cigarettes for two months. I think we don't need the support group, for the most part. I think E-cigs just do this job. Also, a lot of people don't start these things because they want to quit smoking, so success isn't part of the equation. It's a by product. That's a big difference to trying to quit smoking, and not being able to do it without the support people.
I'd rather lick a rabid pit bull in the mouth, than take chantix again.
As a future practitioner of medicine and health, I will 100% agree with statement and I would strongly discourage any use of Chantix to any of patients, unless my studies indicate a strong reasoning otherwise.
And yes, unless further studies prove any adverse claim to nicotine being as harmful as smoking, I will recommend the electronic cigarette to my patients (who smoke, obviously) as well. And, well inform them with any and every possible path so that they may make their decision, and a well-informed and non-ignorant decision at that
If the next time I see that patient, and they're still smoking, I'll literally shove my eGo down their throat!
JUST KIDDING!!! I think you're absolutely right Mgordon. I came here to learn about the different type of mods and found I really enjoyed reading the posts. Judging by the number of members and the amount of participation others must have found the same.
But I don't really look at it as support. I would hate it if this forum were to go away, but I don't think it would affect my use of the e-cig in any way. I sure don't think I would run back to ciggies. Some people are just weak I guess.
Well, I wouldn't call them weak. That may be a little condescending. I think for some, a VP just wont do it. For all the people I've talked to, I had to tell them that it's different. It takes getting used to. That's why they sell throw-a-ways for 10 bucks. Right? If you buy one and like the idea, then get yourself a unit, and fill it with juices that you're going to like. You've got to realize that it's not smoking a cigarette, and a stock juice may just not be what you want.
And if you don't like it I would say something like NOT ONE PUFF or something. Yep... that would help. And then I would proceed to be rude and nasty to anyone who didn't agree with me. That's the plan.
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