BF Mods by Custom-Classic

[h00ligan]

I should have added this to the previous but. Here she is with notoy on top. Look how wonderful
The work is !

Also he worked down the 510 so it allows more clearance which is a big bonus for those with long atomizers of who wish to adjust using a screwdriver , not manipulating the white (Deleon, teflon?) piece.

I really am so chuffed.

 

[Doffy]

For anyone interested. I got 2 weeks between maintenance runs, which is good with my vaping style. These things really show up on parallel mods when one battery starts draining faster than the other. Only really cleaning to maintain balanced discharge, still performing well.

Your pupper is adorable, hooligan

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[h00ligan]

For anyone interested. I got 2 weeks between maintenance runs, which is good with my vaping style. These things really show up on parallel mods when one battery starts draining faster than the other. Only really cleaning to maintain balanced discharge, still performing well.

Your pupper is adorable, hooligan

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Thanks! I assume you have one of the new dual mods right ? I haven't ever looked to see what it takes to run two Batteries in series or parallel. Can the cc mod run either way as its a mech ?is there an advantage to either and I assume one is where both batteries work together and the other is where you drain one and then the other takes over.

 

[Doffy]

Thanks! I assume you have one of the. We dual mods right ? I haven't ever looked to see what it takes to run two. Batteries in series or parallel. Can the cc mod run either way as its a mech ?

Just parallel. Really helps eliminate battery sag on low resistance builds.

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[ST Dog]

I assume one is where both batteries work together and the other is where you drain one and then the other takes over.

No. Series doubles the voltage, parallel doubles the current.

In both case they work together.

Parallel is more forgiving of a mismatch though.

 

[Doffy]

is there an advantage to either and I assume one is where both batteries work together and the other is where you drain one and then the other takes over.

just saw this edit

series runs at 8.4 volts

parallel, like the CCs, runs at 4.2v. Parallel you theoretically get twice the amps, but best stay under 150%. If you look at mooch's pulse graphs, you'll see even great batteries at 20amp discharge with a fully charged bat only push 3.5 odd volts actual output. Parallel means they are running to 10 amps each, or thereabouts, so the output is more like 3.7 on a full charge

 

[h00ligan]

just saw this edit

series runs at 8.4 volts

parallel, like the CCs, runs at 4.2v. Parallel you theoretically get twice the amps, but best stay under 150%. If you look at mooch's pulse graphs, you'll see even great batteries at 20amp discharge with a fully charged bat only push 3.5 odd volts actual output. Parallel means they are running to 10 amps each, or thereabouts, so the output is more like 3.7 on a full charge

Let me see if I have this right I just haven't dealt with dual batteries outside of a boxer mod which did it all for me. Though I guess it can be wired for series or parallel it is wired for series. The one I have.

One battery puts out 4.2v on a full change according to the amp readings I get off various mods his seems accurate for my. Hg2 and vtc5 batteries as well as the 25r. I need to see if I can find mooch chart on this because what I'm seeing shows 4.2 from the go.

So series gets 8.4 (you're using a series of batteries power at the same time - for ease of memory) since you're using two batteries both outputting 4.2. But you're saying that mooch said batteries are only outputting 3.5 onna full charge so the actual Output is 7v. This is not what I see on my boxer. It displays actual output and demanded. In V. Like right now it shows my two batteries can output 5v but the .2 ohm coil I have (.21 actual via yihi chip) is demanding 8v to pull that 120w the boxes ask for (on a side note I think it's terrible that all these manufacturers no longer focus on voltage and use watts which is arbitrary and many don't even show appropriate info now. I was surprised provape removed v reading from the radius)

So here are two things form me.

#1 I see 4.2 output happening on my batteries. I don't know why yihi would falsify this, the m class is the same way why is actual output so far wrong or is het just parasitic loss ?

#2 so parallel you get the same volts as single but double the battery life and therefore sag is less of an issue.

#3 for wiring on a mechanical
Mod can you opt for series or parallel ? Is there a reason you would want to run series on a mech mod assume from running super low builds all the time

Cheers all and specifically @Doffy for taking the time to explain this. I'm actually a highly technical and educated man of science so I should be able to learn I just never have yet. Heh.

 

[Doffy]

#1 I see 4.2 output happening on my batteries. I don't know why yihi would falsify this, the m class is the same way why is actual output so far wrong or is het just parasitic loss ?

#2 so parallel you get the same volts as single but double the battery life and therefore sag is less of an issue.

#3 for wiring on a mechanical
Mod can you opt for series or parallel ? Is there a reason you would want to run series on a mech mod assume from running super low builds all the time

Test a mech with a DMM, just across attie terminals. You'll see how much batteries sag under load

Series is for running moderate to high resistance builds at 100 watts plus

Here's a graph with VTC6 vs 30q vs HG2

 

[h00ligan]

Test a mech with a DMM, just across attie terminals. You'll see how much batteries sag under load

Series is for running moderate to high resistance builds at 100 watts plus

Here's a graph with VTC6 vs 30q vs HG2

View attachment 627787

Thanks for that. And now I must walk !

 

[h00ligan]

Oh I don't think I mentioned. Someone had a Genius Bar appointment. It was the first time apple ever said no and disappointed still
IIts fun they have a pet friendly
Store (if anyone didn't know they all are) and a doggie can take a selfie.

Hah!

@Doffy looking at that chart it seems the batteries are putting out 4.15 Ish of current. As I'd expect. The 3.5 drop off is from
The pulsing. Or do I see that incorrectly?

 

[Doffy]

Oh I don't think I mentioned. Someone had a Genius Bar appointment. It was the first time apple ever said no and disappointed still
IIts fun they have a pet friendly
Store (if anyone didn't know they all are) and a doggie can take a selfie.

Hah!

@Doffy looking at that chart it seems the batteries are putting out 4.15 Ish of current. As I'd expect. The 3.5 drop off is from
The pulsing. Or do I see that incorrectly?

The 3.5ish is what reaches the RDA. Parallel minimizes that sag. Maybe I'm explaining badly?



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[h00ligan]

@VALT you're off to a great start and very interesting. I like the wooden sleeve. Quite different than the cc stuff but impressive accomplishment in its own right !

 

[beckdg]

Let me see if I have this right I just haven't dealt with dual batteries outside of a boxer mod which did it all for me. Though I guess it can be wired for series or parallel it is wired for series. The one I have.

One battery puts out 4.2v on a full change according to the amp readings I get off various mods his seems accurate for my. Hg2 and vtc5 batteries as well as the 25r. I need to see if I can find mooch chart on this because what I'm seeing shows 4.2 from the go.

So series gets 8.4 (you're using a series of batteries power at the same time - for ease of memory) since you're using two batteries both outputting 4.2. But you're saying that mooch said batteries are only outputting 3.5 onna full charge so the actual Output is 7v. This is not what I see on my boxer. It displays actual output and demanded. In V. Like right now it shows my two batteries can output 5v but the .2 ohm coil I have (.21 actual via yihi chip) is demanding 8v to pull that 120w the boxes ask for (on a side note I think it's terrible that all these manufacturers no longer focus on voltage and use watts which is arbitrary and many don't even show appropriate info now. I was surprised provape removed v reading from the radius)

So here are two things form me.

#1 I see 4.2 output happening on my batteries. I don't know why yihi would falsify this, the m class is the same way why is actual output so far wrong or is het just parasitic loss ?

#2 so parallel you get the same volts as single but double the battery life and therefore sag is less of an issue.

#3 for wiring on a mechanical
Mod can you opt for series or parallel ? Is there a reason you would want to run series on a mech mod assume from running super low builds all the time

Cheers all and specifically @Doffy for taking the time to explain this. I'm actually a highly technical and educated man of science so I should be able to learn I just never have yet. Heh.

You're mixing things up badly.

You need to separate regulated from mechanical when speaking theory.

In mechanical we talk battery voltage and sag because that's what the coil sees minus resistance losses from the mod.

In regulated you set what the coil sees and your voltage reading (if there is one) would be of the battery at a resting state after the voltage has recovered from work performed.

Yihi isn't falsifying anything. It's a regulation chip. If the battery is freshly charged, it will show 4.2. The reading will be at rest after the battery V has recovered.

Your boxer is regulated and doesn't show the theory Doffy is speaking of.

What is happening at the battery is largely ignored when speaking of regulated mods. Though it's not completely irrelevant, it's different and doesn't speak to what's happening at the coil.

#2 yes... but the batteries split the current with each cell only outputting half the circuit current.

#3 a mech mod is what it's designed to be. It's possible that someone will design one that will have a parallel or series conversion. But a parallel mech is a parallel mech and a series mech is a series mech.

With series you DON'T want to run super low builds. Putting double voltage QUADRUPLES the current.

BUT!!! You can put twice the power (wattage) at less current with twice the voltage (and higher resistance) and have less strain on your batteries.

BUT!!! Your builds will be way different.

Always remember:

Mech: coil sees voltage of battery including sag

Regulated: coil sees voltage regulated chip puts out according to your setting despite battery voltage.

Chip just pulls more current from batteries to maintain its setting as the battery drains.

Tapatyped

 

[Doffy]

Thanks beck. My 'splainin skills lack badly

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[beckdg]

Thanks beck. My 'splainin skills lack badly

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No man.

You were doing fine.

Just not a black and white subject until it sinks in.



Tapatyped

 

[B2L]

That was ~10 years ago, so what Scott they were looking for I couldn't say.

I think it was some guy accused of killing his wife.

Nope, an American pilot who was MIA and was later found to be the first causality of the Gulf War. He graduated high school in and was stationed out of Jacksonville.

Scott Speicher - Wikipedia

 

[ST Dog]

Nope, an American pilot who was MIA and was later found to be the first causality of the Gulf War. He graduated high school in and was stationed out of Jacksonville.

Scott Speicher - Wikipedia

There you go.

I was mixing up with Scott Peterson from a few years before (2002-2004)

Yes, I looked it up.

 

[Doffy]

Tomorrow's dinner. Boneless turkey leg About 2 lbs.

Aussies rarely eat turkey, so any pointers appreciated.

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[ST Dog]

$3.05/lb, not a bad price. Not great, but not bad.
Dark meat so it'll have flavor.
Cranberry and apple stuffing.

Moderate oven, 350 degrees F (175 degrees C)
Roast uncovered to 180 degrees F (82 degrees C) (1.5-2 hours)
If it get nicely browned, cover til it reach temp.

Make gravy with the drippings.

Add vegetable of choice. Green beans and sweet corn always go well.

 

[Doffy]

$3.05/lb, not a bad price. Not great, but not bad.
Dark meat so it'll have flavor.
Cranberry and apple stuffing.

Moderate oven, 350 degrees F (175 degrees C)
Roast uncovered to 180 degrees F (82 degrees C) (1.5-2 hours)
If it get nicely browned, cover til it reach temp.

Make gravy with the drippings.

Add vegetable of choice. Green beans and sweet corn always go well.

thanks, easy done