Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid

[Johnny Popular]

That is one well worded load of {MODERATED}! RJR already got too much of my money, and they will not see another dime. Unless of course their fantastic "system" becomes the only thing on the market, and my boxes of spare PV goodies all get stolen, and I run out of kanthal, and they deem cotton balls unsafe, and make them illegal, and they, make it impossible to get juice making supplies, and they figure out how to make a truly non-refillable tamper proof carto that self destructs when I saw the top off of it... ... ... you get the idea. I probably could have made that run on sentence last a thousand words or more... I digress. So, how about them tacos?


Besides Home Depot and Radio shack sell damn near everything I need to make a viable PV and atomizer.

 

[Davey59]

Pass the Kool-Aid flavored e juice please................

 

[Johnny Popular]

Pass the Kool-Aid flavored e juice please................

Can't, you didn't bring your track-suit.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Does no one recognize that all of this arises out of a philosophy of government that believes government can and should regulate and tax every conceivable human activity - all for our own good, of course. You complain when it hits vaporizers, were you silent or did you approve when other products were banned, when other behaviors were banned; well they have come for you now. Your ox is gored and the encroaching federal government rampages on with no one to stop the thing in its tracks. The general silence of the people over decades has allowed this thing, our government, to devour our freedom. Now, in this one small area of vaporizers, you complain.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

Looks like some pages being torn from BT's book

Found this while cruising the FDA site:

"By design, closed-system containers cannot be altered or tampered with by consumers. In contrast, there are a growing number of open-system providers—namely by disposable cups (which are typically located on every block) and retail "coffee shops" in the United States that sell, mix, and compound flavored liquid caffeine solutions that can be used across or within other drink receptacle products. By their very nature, open-system caffeine products present a unique risk for adulteration, tampering, and quality control not exhibited by any other class of caffeine products.
For this reason, FDA should ban the sale and providers of open-system coffee products, including all component parts ESPECIALLY STARBUCKS"

Your friends in consumer safety,
The MAXWELL HOUSE COMPANY

 

[CMD-Ky]

And so the corporation says: "As soon as we scare a very small but highly vocal portion of the public, that small group will scare politicians for whom the only concern is re-election. Neither the politician nor the public will have the courage to tell the vocal few to stuff it. We'll tell them that the government knows best; it is for the greater good. The public will buy it; the public always does. It will. once again, be so much easier to just shut up and go along. Maintaining freedom is hard, going along is easy. It has worked so many time before, it will work again. Freedom will erode by inaction."
Folks, the problem is the over riding philosophy, it pervades the entire government at every level. It is power and control by the few over the many, it is accomplished by intimidation and the resultant silence.

 

[JohnnyBGoode]

That's exactly why I stopped smoking. Serious tamper risk in these containers that can open. Although our government seemed mostly responsible for the tampering. Each year I had to pay more and found less in my package.

 

[CMD-Ky]

That's exactly why I stopped smoking. Serious tamper risk in these containers that can open. Although our government seemed mostly responsible for the tampering. Each year I had to pay more and found less in my package.

However, it for the good of all of us, remember, the bureaucracy knows best.

 

[WillyZee]

as soon as I discovered vaping ... I wondered how BT had not already greased the palms that be to make this happen.

I believe this is still coming and will shut out all the current smokers from having a real chance to ditch cigarettes for a proper PV delivery system that works.

 

[klynnn]

Stock up before it's too late.

 

[XJ-linux]

Playing devil's advocate, I used V2 cartos to successfully quit smoking and continued to use them for a year after quitting. I'm not sure BT running the game will result in a de facto death sentence for the practice of people using eCigs to quit smoking tobacco. Carts and cig-alike batteries work just fine for quitting, and for me they probably worked better than a light saber sized mod with a big metal bulb on the end. I'd go so far as saying that with multi-billions in marketing dollars, more people would switch to vaping than do currently.

That said... BT running it certainly kills vaping as consolidate hobby industry as far as legitimate small businesses crafting atomizers, eLiquid, etc... I'd hate to see people end up having to go to head shops to get "aroma" devices and "fragrance" liquids in the doublespeak manner with which college students go there to buy "tobacco pipes" and "incense burners". It would be bad to have DIY eLiquid be viewed in a similar light as bath salts, as if non-BT eLiquid were some dubious or shady workaround to laws.

 

[Davey59]

Playing devil's advocate, I used V2 cartos to successfully quit smoking and continued to use them for a year after quitting. I'm not sure BT running the game will result in a de facto death sentence for the practice of people using eCigs to quit smoking tobacco. Carts and cig-alike batteries work just fine for quitting, and for me they probably worked better than a light saber sized mod with a big metal bulb on the end. I'd go so far as saying that with multi-billions in marketing dollars, more people would switch to vaping than do currently.

I know you started your post with "playing devils advocate" BUT you sound like Joe Biden saying all anybody needs is a shotgun.

 

[KillerShark1978]

It wont happen, not a prayer, banning something that has the highest success rate in history for helping people to stop smoking especially as a result of campaigns from tobacco companies does not stand a chance, any politician supporting such a ban would be seen through straight away as a bribe taking fraud and they know it.

 

[WillyZee]

any politician supporting such a ban would be seen through straight away as a bribe taking fraud and they know it.

I thought all politicians were OK with being seen as the bribe taking frauds they are

 

[Steamix]

as soon as I discovered vaping ... I wondered how BT had not already greased the palms that be to make this happen.

I believe this is still coming and will shut out all the current smokers from having a real chance to ditch cigarettes for a proper PV delivery system that works.

E--cig technology is basically around since the sixties. Never caught on, though. But with batteries getting ever more powerful it became viable.
Mayber the BT CEO's had a few condescending smiles for these goofballs puffing away with some odd contraptions. But the trickle became a river became a torrent.

The odd contraptions became better and better and are still being improved on. And now it wasn't just advertising bans, plain packaging and other stuff along these lines they had the lobbyists working on.

They didn't have e-cigs on the radar at all...

 

[KillerShark1978]

I thought all politicians were OK with being seen as the bribe taking frauds they are

Only the american ones, don't worry it will still be cheaper to import them than it will be to smoke, Mexico will still have them waiting for you across the border.

 

[pianoguy]

I don't blame BT for anything to do with my previous tobacco use. I knew from when I was little that it was addictive and not a good idea to breathe in smoke, I chose to do it anyway. What I can hate them for are attempts to interfere with PVs. AS if you couldn't contaminate a cigarette.

I remember the BT would occasionally contaminate my cigarettes with some kind of floor-sweepings that tasted vaguely like dirty gym socks.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

That's exactly why I stopped smoking. Serious tamper risk in these containers that can open. Although our government seemed mostly responsible for the tampering. Each year I had to pay more and found less in my package.

Dude, sorry to hear about your shrinking "package." Perhaps you should see a doctor.

 

[tj99959]

Blu stank before BT bought them out. They stank because they failed to evolve. First generation devices are nothing compared to what is available today.

By todays standards absolutely! However how many first generation devices are still on the market? There's a reason for that. BT likes the 1st gen. stuff because the profit margin is the highest, just like other companies that sell 1st gen. stuff, not because it's better or worse.

 

[CMD-Ky]

They may know they are easily bought but they won't care; they will be re-elected anyway. The majority of the voters will fall, one more time, for the claim of helping those too stupid to help themselves. It is all for the greater good.

It wont happen, not a prayer, banning something that has the highest success rate in history for helping people to stop smoking especially as a result of campaigns from tobacco companies does not stand a chance, any politician supporting such a ban would be seen through straight away as a bribe taking fraud and they know it.