Big Tobacco proposes open container tank ban for e-liquid

[Schwiggiddy]

Let me go ahead and put a snark-free comment in here too:

The ONLY people I'm worried about putting non-disclosed chemicals in my PV is BT. Not my local B&M, and not the companies from whom I get my juice. There is no reason why I would ever trust BT. It's funny how many of us know more now about how bad smoking is than we knew when we smoked. Also, count me among those who enjoy my vaping hobby, and if BT took over the entire market (as unlikely as that seems) I would just quit vaping and not go back to smoking. I can go all day at my job without using it, then I just come home at night and vape. I could learn to live without it I'm sure. BT will never get another dollar from me.

Liquid nicotine is the only thing that might become difficult to acquire, as long as my mods and RBAs hold up. I guess we could all learn to extract nicotine ourselves and become true DIYers.

 

[CShaver]

This is the reason I love my Mechs. I'll always have my equipment unless they go door to door confiscating everything. 18650s will always remain on sale thanks to flashlights and other equipment that uses them. I might stock up on a few hundred dollars worth of Kayfuns, just to ensure I always have a working one. Might also stock up on some Nic. Other than that, they cannot ban the sale of PG or VG, and they certainly cannot ban the sale of artifical flavoring.

The only thing that might happen, are the tanks getting banned. My Mech is a series of metal tubes. Are they going to ban the sale of metal tubing now too?

This proposal holds absolutely no water. There's no way they can ban everything enough to where we can't still make our own stuff. Every single piece of equipment has other uses that fall outside of vaping.

 

[resqx]

desperate move

 

[Sirius]

BT wants us to use their products and only their products. They have politicians in their back pockets and have for years.
BP does NOT want you to quit smoking. They make big money on health issues, also have politicians in their back pockets.
ANTZ have a moral obligation to eradicate tobacco products. They see vapers as smokers. Some ANTZ are politicians.

Wake the hell up America. As long as big government in implementing regulations on about every aspects of our lives , we have no freedom.
One of the things I am most passionate about is history, specifically American History. The early history of this country is riddled with revolutionary thinkers that founded this country on the ideals of SMALL GOVERNMENT, the fundamental "unalienable rights" that we all naturally possess, and the duty we have to knock our government down a peg or two when it begins to restrain the people and restrict their rights.

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
--John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, July 17, 1775

 

[Sirius]

I don't say this on here much for fear of being banned but..I have been collecting mech mods,(rip-offs) very cheap but of good quality and RDA's,(also rip-offs) clones to some. I have started stocking up on 100mg unflavored nic juice and got the mod I like the most. A Reo with spare parts.
There is already somewhat of a underground movement by some of us. Not official but it needs to be so.
I'm NOT waiting around for the government to see things our way. I'm not paying out the nose for something that beneficial to my health and the health of others.
If someone in the future wants to stop smoking and start vaping, well I will be there to offer up help. I've already given away two mechs and one VV in PIF to friends.
I'm not in it for the money. I would be no better than a scum sucking politician if I was,

 

[AndriaD]

I don't say this on here much for fear of being banned but..I have been collecting mech mods,(rip-offs) very cheap but of good quality and RDA's,(also rip-offs) clones to some. I have started stocking up on 100mg unflavored nic juice and got the mod I like the most. A Reo with spare parts.
There is already somewhat of a underground movement by some of us. Not official but it needs to be so.
I'm NOT waiting around for the government to see things our way. I'm not paying out the nose for something that beneficial to my health and the health of others.
If someone in the future wants to stop smoking and start vaping, well I will be there to offer up help. I've already given away two mechs and one VV in PIF to friends.
I'm not in it for the money. I would be no better than a scum sucking politician if I was,

I'm with ya. And actually it seems to me that GA is a lot more vape-friendly than some of the more liberal states (like NY and CA!). Wouldn't it be wild, go to Colorado or Washington for that *other stuff*... come to GA to vape in peace.

Andria

 

[XJ-linux]

I know you started your post with "playing devils advocate" BUT you sound like Joe Biden saying all anybody needs is a shotgun.

Meh, not really any of my business how you read my posts. I still maintain it's very desirable to ensure hobbyists have access to whatever advanced vaping gear they themselves deem fit to use. However implying that current smokers with little to no prior exposure to advanced gear will not be able to quit smoking without advanced gear is disingenuous as a strategy. I'd just prefer good arguments and reason as tenets to advance vaping instead of blood in the streets hysteria. Though, if gun control initiatives are any bell weather, tapping the blood in the streets nerve is an occasionally effective way to advance a position on scared misinformed people.

 

[Schwiggiddy]

Meh, not really any of my business how you read my posts. I still maintain it's very desirable to ensure hobbyists have access to whatever advanced vaping gear they themselves deem fit to use. However implying that current smokers with little to no prior exposure to advanced gear will not be able to quit smoking without advanced gear is disingenuous as a strategy. I'd just prefer good arguments and reason as tenets to advance vaping instead of blood in the streets hysteria. Though, if gun control initiatives are any bell weather, tapping the blood in the streets nerve is an occasionally effective way to advance a position on scared misinformed people.

The difference being, of course, there is no blood in the streets caused by vaping.

 

[whanso1]

Why does BT only sell cartos anyway? I have always wondered about that. (Or do they sell something else?)

And if cartos are only thing available can't I just punch it and wrap a tank around it? Hey isn't that how we got to clearos....

 

[XJ-linux]

The difference being, of course, there is no blood in the streets caused by vaping.

Exactly. Implying no one can quit smoking via eCigs without tanks smacked of "blood in the streets" to me. FYI... I quit using carts and 808 batteries and now all I use are tanks, RDAs and APVs and would quit vaping before going back to carts and 808's. I just don't like using MDA or Brady Bunch tactics; makes me feel dirty and cheap taking a play out of the "shoulder thingy that goes up" playbook.

 

[stevegmu]

Why does BT only sell cartos anyway? I have always wondered about that. (Or do they sell something else?)

And if cartos are only thing available can't I just punch it and wrap a tank around it? Hey isn't that how we got to clearos....

The last report I have seen shows cigalikes are 80% of the market. That number is going down, though. NJOY, BLU and V2 make up the vast majority of e-cig sales. NJOY and V2 have gotten into the game of re-fillables, so I imagine BLU will follow...

 

[whanso1]

The last report I have seen shows cigalikes are 80% of the market. That number is going down, though. NJOY, BLU and V2 make up the vast majority of e-cig sales. NJOY and V2 have gotten into the game of re-fillables, so I imagine BLU will follow...

Wow that is shocking to me. I have not seen a cigalike in the wild for a year or so (well except me on occasion). Guess they are more stealth than I am with it.
Pardon my ignorance but is njoy and v2 big tobacco? (I had assumed they weren't for some reason)

 

[Davey59]

Meh, not really any of my business how you read my posts. I still maintain it's very desirable to ensure hobbyists have access to whatever advanced vaping gear they themselves deem fit to use. However implying that current smokers with little to no prior exposure to advanced gear will not be able to quit smoking without advanced gear is disingenuous as a strategy. I'd just prefer good arguments and reason as tenets to advance vaping instead of blood in the streets hysteria. Though, if gun control initiatives are any bell weather, tapping the blood in the streets nerve is an occasionally effective way to advance a position on scared misinformed people.

Actually not disagreeing with any of that.
I just take notice when somebody starts telling me what they think I "need" and should not have the choice to have more than I "need" for whatever reason I choose. Hence the Biden comment. Many seam to have this attitude with money and wealth too. Need has nothing to do with it, and I do not like being told what I need by some ignoramus with suspect motivations and or armed with and spreading false propaganda.

Have read some interesting theories on BT actually trying to steer the debate towards medical need (quitting smoking) instead of just a pastime that we might wish to recreationally partake in.

 

[searcher]

Lets see, Ive got about 700 feet of kanthal in different gauges, 2000 prewelded wires, 6 Kayfuns, 25 3.5ml Novas (I prefer these to any other tank when I rebuild with 1.8 ohm and cotton. I get about 8 months out of one before they actually break), 20 mods (some I didn't care for to much and some that I liked so much that I ordered several for backups) and 10 RDAs. I've got 2 liters of 100mg nic with 4 liters coming Wednesday. Thank you Heartland Vapes for perfect timing on your sale. Before the clones became available, I had no problems using my box mods and I'll have no problem going back to them again if need be. BT will get nothing more from me nor will the feds in tobacco taxes. That's enough supplies to last me the rest of my natural life. The only problem will be if the feds do something like adding something to the vg and pg supplies (like they added poison to ethanol so it wouldn't be used as corn liquor, at least that's what I understand).

 

[Davey59]

I've got 2 liters of 100mg nic with 4 liters coming Wednesday. Thank you Heartland Vapes for perfect timing on your sale. .

What is the shelf life of that stuff? I am sure VG will go bad in time, not sure about PG. I am interested in stocking up myself but don't wish to try and buy next Halloweens pumpkins this year.

 

[zoiDman]

Just to further illustrate that Big Tobacco is not our friend in the FDA Regulations, they have proposed a ban on e-liquids being used in open system aerosol containers. Ie: tanks, clearomizers and cartomizers. I would assume this would also apply to RBA type devices, too. They propose e-liquid be sold only in closed non-refillable cartridges like Blu e-cigarettes use.

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Is this Really a Big Surprise?

RJ Reynolds has Dumped a Boatload of Money and a Lot of Time into developing the "Vuse". Why would that want Unnecessary Competition for their product?

Can't have all those Pesky Refillables Mucking Up the market now Can We?

BTW - For those of you who May Not be Hip to the Vuse, here are a Few of its Highlights.

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23. Can I use non-VUSE Cartridges with the VUSE PowerUnit?

No. VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes include proprietary encryption technology that does not permit any non-VUSE Cartridges to be used with VUSE PowerUnits. This ensures our adult tobacco consumers enjoy high quality and superior vapor experience - without risk of counterfeit or substandard cartridges. VUSE Cartridges are only compatible with VUSE products.

24. Can I use VUSE Cartridges with non-VUSE power units?

No. VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes include proprietary encryption technology that does not permit any other E-Cigarette to be used with VUSE Cartridges.

...

6. Are VUSE Cartridges tamper-resistant?

Yes. VUSE Cartridges are designed to prevent modification by consumers.

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11. What is the VUSE SmartMemory™?

VUSE SmartMemory is designed to take the guesswork out of how many puffs have been taken from the Cartridge. While other e-cigarettes cannot inform consumers when cartridges are empty or how much liquid remains, VUSE SmartMemory knows precisely when the cartridge is finished. The SmartLight indicator flashes white, letting the consumer know it's time to change the Cartridge. If a consumer wishes to swap cartridges or replace a battery mid-use, SmartMemory remembers how many puffs have been taken, and how many puffs remain in each cartridge.

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19. Why can't I purchase VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes or Cartridges online like other e-cigarette manufacturers?

In an effort to counter the potential for online purchases of vapor products by minors, R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company does not offer VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes for sale online. Reynolds American and its operating companies are committed to youth tobacco prevention, and we believe face-to-face sales allow greater security against youth access to tobacco products, as clerks can check IDs. Furthermore, adult tobacco consumers are accustomed to purchasing tobacco products at traditional retail stores. Therefore, we are focusing distribution of our products through traditional retail outlets to minimize potential out-of-stock situations.

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2. Why doesn't VUSE provide refillable Cartridges?

VUSE pioneered digital vapor cigarette technology to ensure consumers get a perfect puff - each time, every time. VUSE Cartridges were designed with a closed Cartridge system that prevents the consumer from using the cartridges with third party electronic cigarette devices. VUSE intentionally does not offer refillable replacement Cartridges to ensure that our products cannot be modified and in turn, offer only a superior vaping experience.

https://vusevapor.com/modules/FooterLinks/ProductFAQ.aspx

Sounds like a Pretty Cool System to me. A Chip Enabled, Auto-Disabling, Non-Refillable Carto that ONLY works on a R.J. Reynolds Battery.

BTW2 - Remember how Many Times I have said that my Biggest Fear was the Restriction of Nicotine in Liquid Form? And Remember How Many People said I was Crazy?

 

[searcher]

Supposedly 10 years in the freezer, but I am counting on it lasting a great deal longer. Sorry, I missed the quote button Davey.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

By todays standards absolutely! However how many first generation devices are still on the market? There's a reason for that. BT likes the 1st gen. stuff because the profit margin is the highest, just like other companies that sell 1st gen. stuff, not because it's better or worse.

IMO: the reason is that has more to do with the BIG in Big Tobacco---they move incredibly slooooooow.
It took them 6+ years to catch up with a technology and market penetration that caught them completely off-guard, while demonstrating categorically that even their "loyal customers" actually HATE their products.
As a result their "pioneering" products are 2009 era "cutting edge" TURDS.

I'm guessing several BT Market Analysts' heads are now hanging on mahogany walls and their salaries are now going to FDA Lobbyists & their "entertainment" expense budgets.

 

[stevegmu]

Wow that is shocking to me. I have not seen a cigalike in the wild for a year or so (well except me on occasion). Guess they are more stealth than I am with it.
Pardon my ignorance but is njoy and v2 big tobacco? (I had assumed they weren't for some reason)

No, they aren't. They just make the majority of the Big Three... I was responding as to why BT would start with cartridges...

 

[Sirius]

Wow that is shocking to me. I have not seen a cigalike in the wild for a year or so (well except me on occasion). Guess they are more stealth than I am with it.
Pardon my ignorance but is njoy and v2 big tobacco? (I had assumed they weren't for some reason)

NJOY is independent and is NOT owned by BT. Not yet anyway. They are an eGo type EC.