I think I have figured out what Big tobacco is planning to do with E-Cigs. They are holding out for a better price. Of course this all rides on respecting copyright laws and that I know little about. Why pay a premium for the rights when it is sure to take a beating in the future? I'll bet they are running tests and trials right now.
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This is exactly what they are doing. Guaranteed they are two things:
1 - ...... they were beat to the punch
2- Glad the premarketing has been done for them
You can bet they have their own models in development right now.
1 - ...... they were beat to the punch
2- Glad the premarketing has been done for them
You can bet they have their own models in development right now.
And what this does is increase the cost to the consumer, and provide a tax base for the government.
Big tobacco will always continue to make money. Altria Group, Inc. is one of the richest and best run companies on the planet.
Currently they are attempting to snuff out e-cigs. If e-cigs thrive, tobacco sales will decline. It's that simple. So the ban or delay (3-5 years) of the sale of e-cigs is in their best interest.
In the event that the FDA does not stop all e-cigs, the game changes. Then it becomes in their best interest to own the biggest chunk of the e-cig pie. They will buy out the manufacturers and reduce the competition. They will charge more for an inferior product, because again, they want people smoking tobacco not vaping.
We are going to fight the FDA for them and at the end of the day big tobacco will still be making money.
Currently they are attempting to snuff out e-cigs. If e-cigs thrive, tobacco sales will decline. It's that simple. So the ban or delay (3-5 years) of the sale of e-cigs is in their best interest.
In the event that the FDA does not stop all e-cigs, the game changes. Then it becomes in their best interest to own the biggest chunk of the e-cig pie. They will buy out the manufacturers and reduce the competition. They will charge more for an inferior product, because again, they want people smoking tobacco not vaping.
We are going to fight the FDA for them and at the end of the day big tobacco will still be making money.
An interesting theory BG. Very possible. They certainly want to see the whole E-Cig scene beat down a bit. But I cannot see them dismissing how truly superior E-Cigarettes are to analogs. Sure on the surface they might want to see a quick death but any forward thinker can see with a little fine tuning this IS the future of smoking.
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Not neccasarily, where do you think the nicotine comes from for our e-juice? I could see there tobacco sales increasing actually. I assume that it takes a very large amount of tobacco to extract the liquid nicotine that is in our e-juice!
Why would they? They would rather have there customers dieing? There probably excited as hell because as I said at first, I think it takes more tobacco to make the e-juice and there customers wont be dieing on them!
Abram_J,
most if not all e-juice on the market today has synthetic nicotine. No tobacco required.
most if not all e-juice on the market today has synthetic nicotine. No tobacco required.
Philip Morris used to have our trademark for esmoke. They've been trying for many years to do a device. Other big tobacco have tried to patent the idea in the US every which way they can, also for many years. You can check this all on the US Patent site and google.
At this point they might muscle or try to buy whoever is biggest and most legit , patent and product. They have not been sitting on their hands - but how it plays out ? They've been involved in Europe and the states for a long time.
At this point they might muscle or try to buy whoever is biggest and most legit , patent and product. They have not been sitting on their hands - but how it plays out ? They've been involved in Europe and the states for a long time.
Interesting. I have not heard this before. Can you point me to where you got this information?
I would like to know the source of this information as well. My Google search for "synthetic nicotine" only leads to references to lobeline or other nicotine "substitutes". A search for nicotine manufacture or production leads only to the tobacco plant.
TT33
I read somewhere:
Nicotine is in all kinds of plants it is a natural insecticide produced to fight insects that prey on the plants tobacco has the highest count but Nicotine can be derived many ways.
Nicotine is in all kinds of plants it is a natural insecticide produced to fight insects that prey on the plants tobacco has the highest count but Nicotine can be derived many ways.
NOw you all get to realize the problem with legislating any type of opinion.
I hope none of you:
favor ANY drug laws
Oppose homosexual marriage Politically ( if you personally don't like it fine)
Favor certain seat belt laws
Support Prostitution being Illegal
support Assisting suicide being Illegal
Or generally support any other law which violates the rights of people who have not violated the rights of others..
If you do you deserve to lose something you care about because you have supported taking such a thing from other people because YOU didn't like it even though it didn't effect you.
Lots of Americans have that lesson on the way. How do you like it?
I hope none of you:
favor ANY drug laws
Oppose homosexual marriage Politically ( if you personally don't like it fine)
Favor certain seat belt laws
Support Prostitution being Illegal
support Assisting suicide being Illegal
Or generally support any other law which violates the rights of people who have not violated the rights of others..
If you do you deserve to lose something you care about because you have supported taking such a thing from other people because YOU didn't like it even though it didn't effect you.
Lots of Americans have that lesson on the way. How do you like it?
Personal opinion and nothing more. I do not believe for one minute that BT got beaten to the punch on the development of the e cigarette. After all, they have the best paid and highest level scientists working for them. They have already developed similar products such as the Heatbar. Does anyone really think they just scrapped the plans when it did not work? BT has a strong presence in China and in the Mideast. Does anyone really believe that they simply allowed Ruyan and others to invent and market the e cigarette and then sit back in disinterest? It would not surprise me a bit if companies like Ruyan were in some way actually funded and supported by BT. Corporations like BT are able to still turn an extremely high profit even with all the fuss and legislation against their products. That happens because they are very good at what they do, and they are not going to sit idly by as e smoking takes over tobacco smoking. If they do not already own Ruyan, they will do so soon.
I do believe that sherid is correct on this one. If you are familiar about how for years the big oil companies were buying every electric car patent around to just sit on them. Thus, keeping demand high for gasoline. You can easily see what is most likely happening and in the works for the personal vaporizer.
Actually in the report of Dr. Murray Laugesen he states that EVERY NRT (patch, gum, etc) use nicotine extracted from tobacco.
So, no, IMO e-LIQUID has NOT synthetic nicotine in it, it's cheaper to use extracted nicotine than synthetic.
Do you have any evidence at all to back that up?
Synthesis is expensive, and the plant grows like a weed.
Take a look at the ingredients on a bottle of TW, and you can see all the trace chemicals are derived from tobacco plants (you think they synthesize "Tobacco essential oil <5%, tobacco leaf oil <5%, Nicotine (from tobacco leaf) <3%" + all the trace hydrocarbons you find in tobacco, in much the same proportion as they're found in tobacco?
Why would anyone attempt to synthesize it commercially? Sorry - it's a no-brainer.
I most embarrassingly retract my assertion that the nicotine is synthetic.
I thought I had read a report affirming this but I have been unable to find it again.
So until further notice, the nicotine is real!
my apologies.
I thought I had read a report affirming this but I have been unable to find it again.
So until further notice, the nicotine is real!
my apologies.
Synthetic nicotine would be "real" too, in that it would give you the same buzz, but it would be hideously expensive!
It does make me think, though, that there may be some mileage in the idea that the tobacco companies might not unequivocally oppose the advent of ecigs. It could offer a litigation-free market for their leaf (any problems will come home to roost with the manufacturers) - of course, it will probably only work if they can match the per-unit-nicotine price of tobacco grown in other countries - there's not much room for premium flavour leaf in the new market if it's going to be distilled for the chemical content.
Interesting thought anyway.
I would find it hard to believe that big tobacco hasnt been working on their own clones of the penstyle, 901, and 401 (if they dont already own part of one of the ecig manufacturers), especially when you consider that theyve been sold in the US for a little over 4 years now (albeit, not widely).
True, if "Big Tobacco" is smart, they would insert themselves into the e-cig market and continue growing the tobacco as a source of nicotine for the e-cig juice.
Oil companies have been investing in alternative energy, tobacco companies have been investing in food and other markets, there's no reason for tobacco companies not to branch out into the e-cig market if all of the benefits of the e-cig turn out to be true. Maybe that's what is holding them up?
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