I use and love the bloog carto's and that's what I use now except for my vortex's that I
mod soon as i get them and i love them also. I favor the Vortex more for the one reason is it is a cleaner taste just like driping. When I can use the vortex and be careful with them that's what I do, but when i want to be carefree with my 808 or toss it in my pocket i have a bloog on it for no worries.