BOTTOM FEEDERS= a place for everything modified and/or custom made

[supertrunker]

Nothing will get legislated out of sight, because government moves far too slowly - we are still waiting for FDA regulations first proposed in what? 2009?

Rob has been quite innovative, not totally of his own volition in my opinion, but we do now have better contacts, low profile Reos which expanded atty choice and some cosmetic decoration like the super light ones.
By his own admission, he's a modder at heart and the new 510 will be interesting.

Suppose you were trying to make the most reliable mod available - would you use electronics in it? Turbo sealed one well enough, but nobody else has.

T

 

[Quigsworth]

I think the wattage race has come to an end. 2015 will not be about watts that's for sure.

Well stated...it's gonna be interesting for sure...mods are easy to build, the big ? is where I'm going to continue to get USP grade nic.

 

[Aal_]

2015 will be the standardization of temp control IMO. It is true that it is still shaky but it will be stabilized by end of next year. I hope 2016 will be the year of wick less / coil less atties

 

[Quigsworth]

...Suppose you were trying to make the most reliable mod available - would you use electronics in it? Turbo sealed one well enough, but nobody else has.

T

Exactly...I don't even take my reg'd mods out of the house anymore...granted I drive them pretty hard but when you're out for a day with your DNA30 mod and it decides to play the "a re-boot per vape" game because of some silly little reason from a cold joint/bad contact to a dead tact sw. (tell me that hasn't happened to you )...it gets old fairly quickly...thing is, I built it, I'll fix it

...but I couldn't even imagine what it would be like, having built a "stand-up guy/solid product" rep., cave in to pressure, tool up, build and sell hundreds of reg'd Reo's only to get an email saying "ya, you know that lot of chips we sold you...well, we're noticing some issues..."

 

[supertrunker]

Once you open the bottle it drops to 'food grade' so i think you'll be ok!

T

 

[Quigsworth]

Once you open the bottle it drops to 'food grade' so i think you'll be ok!

T

good point...which brings up a question...does the possibility exist to go direct to the manufacturer?

 

[supertrunker]

You have no need Quigs, the FDA does not have the power to ban tobacco or nicotine. I'm sure they wish they did, but tough - they cannot!

Do you also think places like Wizard labs, RTS vapes and all those guys would have invested in the expansion plans they undertook in the last year (Nicoticket is another if you buy ready made juice) if they thought they were going to be regulated out of business?

T

 

[Steamer861]

No one is going to argue that point. I'm sure that is the reason behind Robs choice to go with straight mec mod
I know all to well what it's like to use products that affect your job/product and to assume the responsibility for said products
Thats why were asking for a DIY enclosure after all not all of us have the skill/talent and tools required to make metal enclosures
gdeal has a very nice little DNA feeder that the mass's can build But an all aluminum one Reo quality would be way nicer

Exactly...I don't even take my reg'd mods out of the house anymore...granted I drive them pretty hard but when you're out for a day with your DNA30 mod and it decides to play the "a re-boot per vape" game because of some silly little reason from a cold joint/bad contact to a dead tact sw. (tell me that hasn't happened to you )...it gets old fairly quickly...thing is, I built it, I'll fix it

...but I couldn't even imagine what it would be like, having built a "stand-up guy/solid product" rep., cave in to pressure, tool up, build and sell hundreds of reg'd Reo's only to get an email saying "ya, you know that lot of chips we sold you...well, we're noticing some issues..."

 

[supertrunker]

i really only use mech bottom fed mods, but i do fancy a magnetic switch.

I see few designs for those beyond tube mods, so you guys would be the ones to ask about it.

T

 

[JohnnyDill]

On a standard Reo Grand the switch is up top, it's a mech. .. that is a VV Grand, the switch was on the side to make room for the chip...

Sent by Tapatalk...sorry

Ha! I did not know that Reo made a VV mod other than the Woodvilles. I did some research and it seems those VV mods were 7.4V with stacked batteries. Perhaps an OKR style 15W chip or something. By complete coincedence, my current project uses an OKR T/6 with stacked batteries & bottom feeding. It is over half complete. Trying to copy the form factor of my mech box. I will reveal it here soon.

 

[Quigsworth]

No one is going to argue that point. I'm sure that is the reason behind Robs choice to go with straight mec mod
I know all to well what it's like to use products that affect your job/product and to assume the responsibility for said products
Thats why were asking for a DIY enclosure after all not all of us have the skill/talent and tools required to make metal enclosures
gdeal has a very nice little DNA feeder that the mass's can build But an all aluminum one Reo quality would be way nicer

Agreed, I'd consider buying one myself if someone did it (and so would 30-40 others, maybe)...but for what chip?, and for how much $...I think that in itself makes for far too boutique an industry to tie up machinery, invest in the CAD programming time, proto typing to make sure everything fits time, etc, etc...then try and re-coop that investment through sales...I think if someone where to go through the effort and carry it through to proto type they may as well just build and sell it...circle back to Rob's argument...

Problem is, there just isn't the demand, the bf thing is still quite esoteric to most...but say hypothetically someone decided to take this on, CAD it up, do the back and forth with a machine shop, etc...the equipment required to make these things is far from cheap...every minuet some 5 axis CNC mill/lathe it sits there not making something either crazy expensive or that can be sold to the masses would put a "bare bones" box out of reach, would I buy one if it cost $30-$40? maybe, but I think demand would have the requested unit number so low it'd probably come in at $100+/ea....not going to happen...so, unless you're China, and you've reverse-engineered an existing proven product like the Hana and now some factory in Guangdong province is grinding them out 24/7 for pennies ea. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of costs for say a Hana box, Flask, etc. are tied up in the box itself...but that didn't dissuade Mr. Hypothetical, he now has a box, technically everything else is plug and play, the leg-work is done, he may as well go the last couple yards and mark-up/capitalize on a finished product...which is why the Sun boxes are $$$

Life would be awesome if it weren't so "bottom line" driven...

 

[Technonut]

If I had the experience / equipment, I would love to mod my mech-converted VV Grand to throw the new YiHi SXmini board in.. I have the SXmini mod, and am thoroughly impressed with it's accuracy, and like the power curve settings.

Authentic YiHi SXmini 60W/120W Chip!

As it stands though, I'm now waiting for the relatively easy conversion of the FT mod I posted about here the other day, and the gdeal FD 510 / hollow screw setup that I scored a few sets of in the recent CoOp... Those are about 6 weeks away. I'll get the FT mod before they arrive.. Good things to those who wait, and all that...

 

[OthatGuy]

Having to rely on someone else's equipment in your mod is tough, add to that, everyone wants the newest; ie. Unproven tech. makes it tough, but imagine what vapor flask made, netted, from their last excursion...but like you said, imagine what they felt like when they first started hearing of dna40 fukups...It's a crap shoot.

 

[Quigsworth]

Having to rely on someone else's equipment in your mod is tough, add to that, everyone wants the newest; ie. Unproven tech. makes it tough, but imagine what vapor flask made, netted, from their last excursion...but like you said, imagine what they felt like when they first started hearing of dna40 fukups...It's a crap shoot.

No doubt...and big money on the line as well...you know, there's a very good reason why bf/reg'd mods barely exist, there's just no market...if the Sun boxes where flying out the door, mod houses would be tripping over themselves banging them out and China would be simultaneously cloning them, they'd be everywhere...not like it's hard, the vapor flask is a prime example, it would be an almost effortless tweak (especially since they're using the FD 510) to ditch the batt under the 510 for a bottle, mill out a squonk hole and done.

fact is...nobody cares, we're on our own guys...so quit whining, buy a glue gun and get at it.

 

[supertrunker]

Why are magnetic switches not popular in bf mods?

T

 

[Quigsworth]

Why are magnetic switches not popular in bf mods?

T

I was actually going to ask if you could post a pic of what you did when you mentioned it a couple posts back...I basically just do the spring tension mech sw. cause it's easy and I'm lazy... but that's getting a little boring and I've got a couple boxes by the mill nearing completion...if you have a better way to skin a cat, I'd love to see it before I carve out the guts...or did you post it already and I missed it? (link pls.)

 

[Ian444]

...you know, there's a very good reason why bf/reg'd mods barely exist, there's just no market...

And the reason there's no market is because they barely exist...I see a lot of requests for regulated bottom feeders, and increasing the last few months. I think there is a big demand. A lot of people don't want to get into bottom feeders because they are not regulated, and that is a hurdle for new users who have not used mech mods. These same new users only know regulated devices because that is what is available to them - ego batteries, twist, MVP, istick, the list goes on and on. I think nearly everyone started on a regulated device and its nice to be able to fine tune the vape on the fly, a creature comfort that is hard to give up. Not to mention a battery indicator, as essential as a fuel gauge in a car, a basic but useful feature.

The KUI mod, if it ever gets released, should make a good cheap aluminum enclosure for modders, I am surprised it has not been mentioned in this thread. I want one, the $40 price mentioned is attractive for an enclosure.

 

[Quigsworth]

And the reason there's no market is because they barely exist...I see a lot of requests for regulated bottom feeders, and increasing the last few months. I think there is a big demand. A lot of people don't want to get into bottom feeders because they are not regulated, and that is a hurdle for new users who have not used mech mods. These same new users only know regulated devices because that is what is available to them - ego batteries, twist, MVP, istick, the list goes on and on. I think nearly everyone started on a regulated device and its nice to be able to fine tune the vape on the fly, a creature comfort that is hard to give up. Not to mention a battery indicator, as essential as a fuel gauge in a car, a basic but useful feature.

The KUI mod, if it ever gets released, should make a good cheap aluminum enclosure for modders, I am surprised it has not been mentioned in this thread. I want one, the $40 price mentioned is attractive for an enclosure.

You've just summed up the "circular logic" theme of every argument I've ever had with my wife ever and I fell into my own BS...excellent point(s)...though as much as I can appreciate the regulated "like" I just don't see it as a requirement, could be just me, maybe you're right (most likely are)...I definitely agree on the V meter though, thought of putting just that into a mech mod many times...it's just the space it takes...

 

[Ian444]

It think it's a chicken and egg thing...

I agree with you that regulated is not a requirement for everyone, but for some it probably is a requirement, or at least, desirable. I know mech mods work fine too (I use them on a daily basis).

 

[Vapeaholic]

I was actually going to ask if you could post a pic of what you did when you mentioned it a couple posts back...I basically just do the spring tension mech sw. cause it's easy and I'm lazy... but that's getting a little boring and I've got a couple boxes by the mill nearing completion...if you have a better way to skin a cat, I'd love to see it before I carve out the guts...or did you post it already and I missed it? (link pls.)

Gdeals DIY bottom feeders come with a magnetic switch option. It's really a simple concept. Two small ring shaped magnets, one mounted in the button and the other in frame above the contact. They are mounted so they oppose each other making the button float and when you push the button you're just pushing against the magnet opposition.