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British Scientists question US 'youth epidemic'

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  1. low_tar_neil

    low_tar_neil ECF Tea-boy, guy Admin ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2008
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  2. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    All I can say!

    What next? The 4 billion year old planet changes all on it's own? :facepalm:


    ETA:bump to the top...
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  3. englishmick

    englishmick Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    Oh boy. Got about half way through and I'm exhausted. Facts make your head hurt. Maybe it's best to let your favorite politician read it for you and give you a short decisive summary.

    When you do dive in it becomes quite clear that the epidemic isn't black and white, and we've been lied to a lot. The number of kids who start vaping without having smoked is large, but not many of them go on to become frequent vapers, dependence among them is uncommon, and few go on to become smokers. Most frequent vapers smoked before they vaped.

    That's me producing my own short summary. To actually understand what's going on would require reading the whole thing, probably multiple times, and digesting it. Not many people are going to be willing and able to do that.

    I might finish it later after a few more coffees.
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  4. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    Why am I Not Surprised to see this ?

    If they Didn't, it would be a Clear Indication that their is an Inherent Bias in Most Media Outlets. Which Boarders on Outright Deception.

    And we All Know that the Average Media Outlets only goal is the presentation of Fair and Balanced news accounts to Better Inform the General Public as to the Truth.
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  5. Tabac man

    Tabac man Super Member

    May 24, 2019
    That's how I read it Mick.
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  6. Eskie

    Eskie ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 6, 2016
    You pretty much got it. This isn't the first time interpretation of that survey has been sliced and diced in different ways. But yes, not a whole lot go on to using cigarettes or even vapes among those who have experimented with it. Much the same as not everyone who tried a cigarette in "our" time went on to become 1 pack a day smokers.

    The real epidemic is in the ability of a single incident to spread across the web and media services to make it appear to be a major problem. Just like one exploding battery, extra points if caught on video, can make millions afraid. The concept of relative risks is long gone in public discourse. Everything is breaking news and trending tags.
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  7. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    It's not just the concept of relative risk that's gone. Common sense is a thing of the past. People's skin is now so thin a mere breeze can rip it apart. I mean when you see headlines like this: "Family outraged after a Universal character made 'OK' symbol on 6-year-old's shoulder" how could you think differently? I mean really? "Outraged" over an OK hand gesture?!?! I have a completely different hand gesture for that family, the media, and stupid people in general. People need to stop playing "victim" over everything they see and hear and learn to understand what is really going on.
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  8. Zazie

    Zazie Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    Nov 2, 2018
    Maine, USA
    What gets me about the OK gesture hoopla is that the whole nonsense was begun as a 4chan trolling project. They thought it would be hilarious if they could get the media to report the OK sign's association with white power as fact, the media obliged, and then some biddable white power types actually adopted the gesture. In other words, a bunch of malicious nihilists reshaped a small corner of the world as a mean-spirited joke.

    I hate 4chan.
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  9. wetclay

    wetclay Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 4, 2010
    at 2:00 "people look at the same data and draw different conclusions"

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  10. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    You know there is a lot to hate about 4chan, but there is a lot to love, also. I mean, if I were the right age and demographic, I too might be sowing the seeds of dissent. I mean, now I'm just tired and reformed and trying to like, help people nicely.

    But in my youth with all that rage? IDK 4chan might have been just my style.

    I mean, they took down SCIENTOLOGY. For reals. At least in "civilized" societies.

    It would be nice if they dismantled the government, and they're sort of like vigilantes, or well, fighting the only way they can, in small independent cells, of highly explosive and trained but sort of unpredictable guerilla fashion form.

    I am more pro than con. Even though they made my kid cry over my little pony. LOL.

    I was sort of glad he discovered "4chan" during his "brony" phase, not his porn and other adolescent rebellion phase. He came to me and whispered, "Mom they make GIFs of people blowing up bronies! It's a BAD place, don't ever go there." I giggled internally and let him know I would never venture there, and nor should he.

    Cuz, l don't want him jailed or dead. There are 4chan members jailed for a LONG time for Scientology and we should all muse on that for a while.

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  11. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 14, 2013
    what is particularly hilarious is the word OK (Okae as it was originally) is derived from a very non-white source. A Native American Language.
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  12. Zazie

    Zazie Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    Nov 2, 2018
    Maine, USA
    My best friend is a guy thirty years my junior who frequently regales me with stories of the kind of vacantly cruel garbage he and his peers engage in in their desperate efforts to be funny. This is on a couple of other boards maybe two rungs down the nihilism ladder from 4chan. I may understand what's driving them, but I think their vacant, snickering cruelty is the symptom of a sad, potentially deadly sickness more than a force for useful change. They are, by and large, a neurotic, self-absorbed, creepy lot, and I both pity and despise them.
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  13. iVapeDIY

    iVapeDIY Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 1, 2017
    Toronto, Canada
    Our analysis of data from the NYTS confirms the headline sharp uptick in past-30-day use of e-cigarettes which prompted the FDA’s urgent regulatory initiatives in November 2018.
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  14. DarrenMG

    DarrenMG Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 9, 2015
    We have gone off the rails in the USA. Good to see that the UK is still approaching vaping logically, harm reduction, that's a winning strategy.
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  15. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
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  16. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  17. Smoke-fee

    Smoke-fee Full Member

    Oct 3, 2019

    Take a look at this UK. government website it kind of backs up what you are (you know its a UK. government website because it is a site) saying Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes - Public health matters

    Also there are some great links (all backed by the British government) in this article worth taking a look at.
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  18. stratus.vaping

    stratus.vaping Super Member ECF Veteran

    If you created a nice world map with markers showing all the people who suffered from "proven e-cig ( of any kind) related pulmonary disease or problems" you would find all the markers in the USA.

    Strange isn't it.
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  19. Blitzdonlife

    Blitzdonlife Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2012
    Central Texas
    I was wondering what was going on with the ok hand symbol, thanks for clearing that up for me.
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  20. Smoke-fee

    Smoke-fee Full Member

    Oct 3, 2019
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