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Vap-Ed

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Hey Jeff,

Sounds like you vape more than I do. I do about 4 to 5 ml a day. Less on days when my mind and hands are both busy working on something.

If your goal is LR510 atty dripping or better, I think you're in for a pleasent surprise. I can set my Bulli up to hit nice and mellow, or I can set it up to hit like a Mack truck. Even at 3.7V.

When dripping, I usually do 4 or 5 drops. For me the atty starts flooding at about 7 drops. I've done nothing special to hold more juice when dripping because I use the same piece for cartridge, tank, and dripping.

To me, all tank systems mute the flavor of the juice somewhat. The only technical explaination I can think of is that the juice, being held in a resevior in close proxity to the coil, gets heated by the coil while in the tank. After a long time of being intermittently heated and cooled, certan flavorings break down somewhat. To me this effect is noticeable in lighter, more delicate flavors such as drink and fruit flavors and not so much in darker/heavier flavors like tobacco, chocolate, coffee, peanut butter, etc. To me, very complexe flavors with undertones, like some from KickBassVapor, are wasted in a tank system.

For me personally, the best flavor and hit, but least in conveniece, is dripping.

The middle of the road is cartride, which scores pretty darn good in flavor, hit, and conveniece.

Tanks are least in flavor and hit, but off the chart in conveniece.

Anyway, back on topic. Now that the Mark-Ts are shipping, I know many are going to some very experienced vapers. I'm keeping an open mind and anxious to see the reviews and comparisons start coming in over the next few weeks. Who knows, I may tell the little woman that I want one for my birthday (late Jan).

I'm sure you are much more versed in metalurgy than I am, it's just not my field. Let me know if you come across anything particularly interesting. Whatever you experiment with remember, you will be inhaling fumes from it.

Ed
 

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Edge, I saw this post earlier, and was kind of waiting to see if anyone else was going to answer, as I'm no expert for sure. But, as no one has come forward yet, I had to respond because I had one recent experience that speaks directly to your question.

When my first "as shipped" coil broke I thought I would leave the fiber inside my new coil much longer than in the original coil. My reasoning was maybe more fiber = more liquid = more vapor. To be fair to me, I also remembered that Tim/Rawveg in his review of the A2 on the UK Vapers forum said he left the ends of his fiber much longer, and it seemed to work for him.

But I discovered later that the floppy fiber sticking out of the coil and filling up the space in that part of the atomizer was precisely what was causing a really marked lack of vapor! It took me a while to tumble to that, as I struggled for some time trying to figure out why I was getting plenty of throat hit, yes, but no vapor. Then I just decided to cut off those long floppy pieces of fiber, so that the fiber stuck out just a little bit from the ends of the coil (and no longer had to be lifted up in order to screw the spike section onto the bottom).

It was amazing (to me anyway) - immediately I was now getting tons of vapor from the very same coil. Now I think/realize that all that extra fiber in there was just keeping the coil too wet to really function well, kind of like a regular atomizer that doesn't work when "flooded". I don't know why Tim had such a different experience, but it may just be that since he was talking about a classic A2 with a cart and fill, perhaps that works differently than the tank Bullis we are using.

So if your fiber is long, try cutting off the ends of it, and let me know if this helps. :)



Hi guys,
Sorry to chime in late, but from what I can tell from the posts, yvilla is one the right track. You want to coil to always have juice to vaporize, otherwise you get dry, burned tasting hits. However, the coil can have too much juice available so the the large amount of juice keeps the coil cool and doesn't let it get hot enough to produce good vapor. Note that you've never seen a design where the coil is submerged in a tank of juice. The juice would act as a large heat sink and never let the coil get hot enough to produce vapor.

If you continue to have trouble, give me as many details as possible and I may be able to help. Specifically, what voltage you are using, what resistance is the coils you're making (if known), are you using the standard heat wire and wick that comes with the Bulli.

Don't give up !! Once you get through the learning curve I'll bet you a nickle you are going to LOVE this atomizer.


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Vap-Ed, thanks for your earlier post describing your vaping practices, it reassured me as I too exclusively use standard tornado tank batteries, though I have just ordered a 900mAh variable voltage battery to use with my new bulli
I saw this on another thread and was going to buy, my only doubt was whether my battery would work with this wire, now Im more confident it will

Kanthal D - 0.25 mm - 10 m - 27.8 ohm/m »

Yvilla, (and Vap-Ed again!) I think you might be right, my wick is soaking wet, and what you are saying makes perfect sense. I have enough wicking for one more attempt so will have another go and see if there is an improvement, besides, another practice will do me good :)
Im definitely at the bottom of the learning curve, but have no intention of giving up, repairable atties are the way to go, we have all been there with the variable quality control on the pre-built ones, and the leaky clearo's which is why we came down this route.

I'd like to thank you for your help, Im no vaping expert, but if you ever need any IT networking help, especially routers, then I am your man :)
 
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Hey Jeff,

Sounds like you vape more than I do. I do about 4 to 5 ml a day. Less on days when my mind and hands are both busy working on something.

If your goal is LR510 atty dripping or better, I think you're in for a pleasent surprise. I can set my Bulli up to hit nice and mellow, or I can set it up to hit like a Mack truck. Even at 3.7V.

When dripping, I usually do 4 or 5 drops. For me the atty starts flooding at about 7 drops. I've done nothing special to hold more juice when dripping because I use the same piece for cartridge, tank, and dripping.

To me, all tank systems mute the flavor of the juice somewhat. The only technical explaination I can think of is that the juice, being held in a resevior in close proxity to the coil, gets heated by the coil while in the tank. After a long time of being intermittently heated and cooled, certan flavorings break down somewhat. To me this effect is noticeable in lighter, more delicate flavors such as drink and fruit flavors and not so much in darker/heavier flavors like tobacco, chocolate, coffee, peanut butter, etc. To me, very complexe flavors with undertones, like some from KickBassVapor, are wasted in a tank system.

For me personally, the best flavor and hit, but least in conveniece, is dripping.

The middle of the road is cartride, which scores pretty darn good in flavor, hit, and conveniece.

Tanks are least in flavor and hit, but off the chart in conveniece.

Anyway, back on topic. Now that the Mark-Ts are shipping, I know many are going to some very experienced vapers. I'm keeping an open mind and anxious to see the reviews and comparisons start coming in over the next few weeks. Who knows, I may tell the little woman that I want one for my birthday (late Jan).

I'm sure you are much more versed in metalurgy than I am, it's just not my field. Let me know if you come across anything particularly interesting. Whatever you experiment with remember, you will be inhaling fumes from it.

Ed

Hi Ed

I vape maybe 6 to 8ML a day same here when I get into somthing and busy it is far less. I agree 100% dripping is the best flavor & TH and I purchased the Bulli & Bug to be able to maybe stimulate dripping with a tank if that makes sence or mod a feed system of some sort to hold a capicity of e-liquid a different style tank. Heck even use the tank stock it may be good enough...as al I really vape is tobacco flavors but I am spoiled with dripping. I don't know but I do not like a huge tank I say 4ML would be perfect for me fill up twice a day.Anyway just incase I can't simulate dripping without dripping every 2 minutes.I just ordered a super-t vapemat to but Im still hopeing as I am not that keen on a bottle of juice hanging off my Mod HeHe man Im gonna hate myself when my credit card bill comes.... but I already justified it to myself those are all my chrismas gifts to myself just early LOL.

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Hi Edge .. thanks for the kind words.

The .025 kenthal wire in your post is exactly what I use. I use 5 or 6 wraps around 6 thicknesses of the Bulli wick (wraped pretty tight) give me the 1.5 to 1.6 ohms I like. For my wife's Bulli I use 8 closely space wraps and end up in the 2.2 to 2.4 ohm range (her preference).

When I first got my first Bulli I was making 2 or 3 coils a day. Trying different wire, different wick, and basically everytime I saw a new way or new idea on the forum. I'm sure if timed now I could make a new coil and be vaping on it in under 2 minutes. Now that I've gone through the experimentation and learning curve, I make a new coil about once every 2 to 3 weeks for myself and the wife. The resistance creeps up slowly with wear, especially since I dry burn ours pretty hard a couple of times a week.

I'm starting to get self conscience about me taking up so much floorspace on the forum. If you want to pm me I'll give you my email address.

later

Ed
 

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Hmmm this means I got the wrong wire I got Kanthal A-1 32 awg what is this compared to what you use. This in new to me could I have .032 maybe anyone know? Someone advised me to get this so I just ordered it came in today.

Jeff

I have the same. That's what most use
 

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I have the same. That's what most use

Thank's kcos I feel better now... Can you explain the difference between the 2?

I just broke a cartomizer wire open and what is in the cartomizer is thinner which means this shoud be even more durable. I have heard or read the Kanthal is the better choice and prefered over the microme wire or somthing similar I have read so much I think it gave me brain damage.It used to be ok a carto or a 510 will I dripp? now so many choices and variations of wick and wire this one uses this that one uses this but it all good now all I need is the Bug or Bulli so I can play.

Thanks
Jeff
 
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I don't have a clue
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EDIT: But I will tell you this bulli wick, 32 wire, 5 wrap kick .... on the BFG I'm beta testing.
 
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Hmmm this means I got the wrong wire I got Kanthal A-1 32 awg what is this compared to what you use. This in new to me could I have .032 maybe anyone know? Someone advised me to get this so I just ordered it came in today.

Jeff

Jeff, 32 AWG is essentially the equivalent of 0.20 mm wire (it's really 0.20320 mm). The issue confusing you is that they are two different means of classification. "AWG" is short for "American Wire Gauge", and you will find that used for all wire (and electrical cords, etc) to delineate the size of the wire here in the US. And AWG 32 wire in inches is 0.008000 of an inch in diameter.

However, in countries using the metric system, AWG is the not standard used, and the diameter measurement in millimeters is often what is stated.

Here is a wire gauge chart showing the diameter in inches and also in millimeters of wires of different AWG sizes:
Wire Gauge Reference Table
 

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Can someone comment on devices please? How does the bulli work on different batteries? I am sure it works well on 18650 but what about the 14500 batery devices?

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Jeff

Bulli works great on just about everything. It's all about how you make the coil.

I have used mine on 14500 3.7v box mods and on a provari.
 
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