Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[paise]

Cartos question:

How apt are cartos to leak once filled?

The reason I ask is b/c I was able to pick up one along with an Ego bag that was on sale. I don't want it leaking in the new bag or even the older bag I've been using to pack my e-cig stuff inside it.

The only reason I opted for the Ego bag is because it is considerably larger than the little bag I have now. My Ego batteries don't fit in the bag I have now and it's pretty worn so it was time for a replacement. My biggest fear is having the liquid leak through the mesh and onto everything. I generally try to keep everything inside those ziplock type bags that come from suppliers but there are times when I am running late and I just toss them in. I've been fortunate enough to be able to drip liquids into my cartridges without the syringe, esp when using ones where I replaced the wadding but I haven't taken cartos out with me before. If they work well enough with the Ego, I will consider switching over when I can afford to buy them then going back to my standby attys and cartridges when I can't.

Any advice is much appreciated. I don't carry baby wipes anymore nor the rest of the "Mommy bag" arsenal. My youngest is a 13yo teenager whose worse crime right now is selective hearing but then again she does get that from her dad because he suffers from the same affliction. Although, I do keep a Ziplock bag with baby wipes in his truck just in case... I always have even before we had children. They are extremely handy when working with a guide dog as well, esp if you go out to a restaurant by yourself. Try finding a bathroom when you can't see beyond the tip of your nose... My current guide is basically in retirement now although we do walk in the neighborhood when cooler weather settles in. Neither of us do well with these 94+ degree heat days we've had for the last 60+ days straight; well, it did drop to 88 on Saturday so that restarted the clock on high-temp days but it's still too hot to go out walking and it doesn't cool off in the evenings either. Pavement is tough on his doggie feet. The heat is tough on me. I've already had a stint at the doc's office for heat exhaustion. Don't want to go through that again.

Thanks for any info.

 

[lorikay13]

Paise

All cartomizers are apt to leak especially when it is hot and humid. Your best bet is to keep the end caps on them. Do not leave them attached to the battery when traveling with them most especially if your using an automatic battery. And if it's an Ego or other mega cart just use a ziplock bag.

 

[ImYourSalt]

thats funny... I've never had an issue with leaky cartomizers. (and i almost never us a manual battery)

not atomizers on the other hand...

Paise

All cartomizers are apt to leak especially when it is hot and humid. Your best bet is to keep the end caps on them. Do not leave them attached to the battery when traveling with them most especially if your using an automatic battery. And if it's an Ego or other mega cart just use a ziplock bag.

 

[ZambucaLu]

Oh baby! You know that I missed you ever-so-much! Sadly, I came back a bit early because I have a family health issue down in Saint Louis. Sooo.. in a few minutes I mount my trusty steed (she hates it when I call her that!).. then I drive down South to take care of my father.

Hospitals have pretty good WiFi access.... so I'm sure you'll be hearing from me on-and-off (I could insert another off-color pun right here.. but naw).

Hope all goes well with your dad, Scott.

So you'll be in St Louis this weekend? Any chance you might catch the vapefest for a bit?

Lu

 

[Free2BMe]

Ordered the multi voltage Tekk from Nhaler today and believe it can take the 501 or 808 cartos (2 adapters included). I have only used the 808s. Is there a big difference or preference of one over the other? I have a few "old style" cartos that came with my first generic 808 kit but now I use 808 Turbos from V9. If I'm getting a good take on the variable voltage units, I'm guessing I may need both these types of cartos to use on the Tekk? One last question then I promise I'll stop (atleast for now )...are carto drip tips used mainly to top off?

Thanks.....now to see if I can find page one of this thread. This feels like going into the jungle...entering, then deeper, deeper, deeper....can I make it to the other side? LOL

 

[Quick1]

Hmmm,

it's a "510" not a "501" (I find myself typing 501 all the time). 510 more refers to the connector now that there are both 510 atomizers and cartomizers utilizing it. There is a 901 atomizer that utilizes the KR808D-1 connector (as well as an 801 atomizer). An 808 connector is different than a 808D-1 connector. I believe the Turbos from VaporNine use the 808D-1 connector.

The whole idea of the variable voltage mods are that you can dial your voltage to suit your preference with just about any cartomizer or atomizer. Used to be that one particular style from one particular manufacturer would run at some resistance and generally vape hotter or cooler than something of another style or from another manufacturer. With the variable voltage you just dial it up or down so that everything vapes at your sweet spot. Or you can change it to suit the juice you're using at the time.

Is that what you were asking?

 

[Katya]

Free, first the easy question: I don't recommend using drip tips to fill (refill, top off)cartomizers, as one would be dripping directly into the center airflow tube, which is exactly where one mustn't drip. So, feel free to use them for their good looks or to extend the airflow channel through the cartomizer (good thing), but remove them to refill your cartos.

As for variable voltage, the idea is to create a device that would allow you to manipulate the power/heat of your vape and adjust it to the specific resistance of your cartomizers. You may want to study this very helpful mini-tutorial by Kent C, one of our resident sciency guys. Just in case the link doesn't work for you, you want post #1802. This post (and other useful info) can also be found in the attached Just the Facts, Ma'am, thread. Happy reading, and if you have any other questions, just ask.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-181.html#post1657979

 

[Free2BMe]

Yes, thank you, that helped.

(made it to page 25...gotta stop now but will be back)

 

[ZambucaLu]

Ordered the multi voltage Tekk from Nhaler today and believe it can take the 501 or 808 cartos (2 adapters included). I have only used the 808s. Is there a big difference or preference of one over the other? I have a few "old style" cartos that came with my first generic 808 kit but now I use 808 Turbos from V9. If I'm getting a good take on the variable voltage units, I'm guessing I may need both these types of cartos to use on the Tekk? One last question then I promise I'll stop (atleast for now )...are carto drip tips used mainly to top off?

Thanks.....now to see if I can find page one of this thread. This feels like going into the jungle...entering, then deeper, deeper, deeper....can I make it to the other side? LOL

Topping off is generally a term used to add a few drops to a cartridge (cart). Instead of totally refilling a cart that is drying out, people will just top them off with a few drop of juice.

In the past, when people didn't want to use a cartridge (for whatever reason), they would use an empty one as a mouthpiece, pull it off, and add a few drops of juice right to the atomizer to moisten it. Some people didn't even use mouthpieces....they just "tailpiped" so they didn't have to keep replacing the mouthpiece.

So this is called dripping....you drip into the atty.....you top off a cart.

Then out came the cartos and most people would refill them when they started getting dry. I suppose in some sense you could say you "topped off" a carto if you didn't actually refill it.

But the predominant use of the drip tip is so you can drip juice (as described above) into either the atomizer or the cartomizer....and the drip tip also serves as a mouthpiece. They are a convenience....no more pulling off carts from the attys....no more pulling off the little ends of the cartos...no more tailpiping. Just a handy little gadget to get the juice down into the atty or the carto.....without removing anything....and still having a comfortable tip to vape off of. Did that explain it?

Don't be afraid to ask questions either. These folks are great at helping out.

BTW....you might be better off going backwards in the thread because most people quote others in their posts anyway. You'll know what it all means once you finally get to page 1

ETA: Ach! I was typing as Katya was. I've heard people say they use the drip tips with cartos (I personally never have) but she is one of the experts here so I'd listen to her first

Lu

 

[Quick1]

Forgot about the drip tip part...

I very much prefer the shape and feel of my delrin drip tips over any of the tips and especially the metal tube of cartomizers (even when covered with a label). Also on cartomizers it gets my mouth/lips away from the heat that my cartomizers generate.

I do drip through them on atomizers but I do not drip through them on cartomizers. In addition to all the above when it's time to top off or refill a drip tip is way easier to pop off and replace than the usual plug/cap of cartomizers.

So they're a handy dandy mouthpiece most of the time.

 

[Katya]

Hey, Free, is your head spinning yet? Forget all you've read here and just do as you please.

As for reading this thread, skip the first 420 posts or so. Maybe more. Old news.

I would start sometime in April... Skip the technical stuff, most of it is outdated and no longer relevant. But the flirting and the jokes only get better with time.

Have fun.

 

[nicnac]

Nice job Lu.

 

[Free2BMe]

Thanks everyone! Yeah, my head is spinning a bit but all info is helpful. I think I found out part of the problem I seem to have been having was simply the cone on my Defender. I took it off while ago and man, it is working soooo much better now!! Plus I just saw that I can now get an atomizer for my Defender, so I may try a drip tip (like the idea of feeling it on my lips better than the carto too!)...easy to take off and add a few drops to carto or pop on the atomizer and direct drip to see what that's like.

Thankful hugs for all your advice and help!

 

[Quick1]

I would recommend trying a delrin drip tip first instead of a metal one. I prefer the feel of the material (especially on my teeth). Also, on some of these mega cartomizers and the likes the wire (and filler) come up pretty close to the top of the barrel. Having the wire contact a metal drip tip is not good.

 

[Kent C]

Thanks everyone! Yeah, my head is spinning a bit but all info is helpful. I think I found out part of the problem I seem to have been having was simply the cone on my Defender. I took it off while ago and man, it is working soooo much better now!! Plus I just saw that I can now get an atomizer for my Defender, so I may try a drip tip (like the idea of feeling it on my lips better than the carto too!)...easy to take off and add a few drops to carto or pop on the atomizer and direct drip to see what that's like.

Thankful hugs for all your advice and help!

If the Defender is actually a retrofitted Riva with a KR8 connection, it might very well be that they didn't also ream out the cone to where cartomizers are too tight a fit to get a good draw. Airflow for this type with the cone is through the top of the cone and the difference in diameter between the carto and an atty can be the difference in not getting any air or not enough.

On drip tips, you can fill cartos through them as long as you fill on an angle like you normally would fill a carto. Straight up wouldn't work with or without a drip tip, but angling it works for me.

 

[Katya]

They didn't ream out the cone. But, if you're using Turbos exclusively, it just may be enough to peel off the paper label of the carto. The Turbos' barrel is a hair narrower than the standard kr808 to begin with and that might just do the trick. Or simply buy the stainless option. Ben sells nekkid cartos.

But, because the Turbos are narrow, you're going to have a hard time finding drip tips that will fit. I have a whistle tip that fits over the carto's barrel, but it was a gift and I don't know who carries them. You may want to look around for those. Does anyone here know where they can be found?

 

[lorikay13]

Okay Katya....I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one....or maybe it has to do with exactly what type (thread pattern) and style (horizantal coil versus verticle wire) carto you are using.....because I absolutley DO drip directly down the center of my 4081 cartos....and now also the Tru 510's and KR808's....but only because they have that horizantal coil at the bottom and THAT is what you want kept wet. It is still my belief that you can have what appears to be a fully filled carto and still end up with instant burn-out because although the filler is saturated that coil is still bone dry.

which leads to my question....what happens if you dead short a carto while using a Pass Through????? Sciency guys....I know there are two different scenarios here....inline battery/no inline battery...please address both...as well as PT plugged directly into USB2 port of a PC and PT plugged directly into 110V USB adapter. (assume the surge suppresor is in place)


oh yea....Free...welcome to the jungle!

and finally...I know ya'll are just dyin' to know....YES! I found my purple drip tip...rolled underneath the PC tower. And yes I agree....you top off a carto....you dont fill them with a drip tip unless you do it at an angle. And make sure you let all the juice run down into the carto before trying to lay in bed and vape upside down...unless you want the hiccups!

 

[paise]

It was likely the heat then because we have had extremely HOT and HUMID summers for the past two (this one and the previous one) years but then again, our winters have been colder than usual too and the winters here are always relatively gentle with only 1-3 bouts with ice and/or a light dusting of snow but not enough to stay on the ground for more than half a day to a day.

This summer alone we spent 60+ days at temperatures above 94 degrees (F). It broke off the count on Saturday because it barely reached 90 but by Sunday it was back to the same old same old. It's been hot again this week as it was last week. We did get rain yesterday but nowhere near enough. The lawn feels terrible under my feet without shoes. It's prickly where the grass is dying from lack of moisture and we are on water restrictions too so it isn't as if we can water the lawn. I just hope it comes back nice and green again so we won't have to sew seeds again to fill in the dead spots.

The heat and high humidity could have been the culprit so I'll stick to the baggies with the ziplock closures.

Oh, I always remove the battery from the atty when it's not in use even with the manual batteries I have. I only had one automatic battery (510). It worked okay but the 510 atty but I've become so used to the manuals that the automatics feel funny to use. Maybe it's just what I got used to when I started vaping.

Thanks for the assist. BTW, my 510 attys leaked terribly over time so I started tossing them out when I couldn't stop the excessive leaking, I figured they were just worn and no good anymore even though they would pull a draw. I was tired of having to hold my e-cig with a paper towel strip over the area where the atty screwed into the battery. That got old quick.

Thanks again.

Paise

All cartomizers are apt to leak especially when it is hot and humid. Your best bet is to keep the end caps on them. Do not leave them attached to the battery when traveling with them most especially if your using an automatic battery. And if it's an Ego or other mega cart just use a ziplock bag.

 

[Free2BMe]

Kent, from what I've read elsewhere on the forum, think you got it dead on about the Defender. Hopefully will be easily enough fixable...once I get some time to play tinkering toolgirl.

Katya, I don't think the nekkies are in yet. Ben posted they were but then posted right after that they weren't, due to a messed up shipment I believe. Of course, maybe since then they are again and I'm just confused as usual. LOL

 

[Quick1]

which leads to my question....what happens if you dead short a carto while using a Pass Through????? Sciency guys....I know there are two different scenarios here....inline battery/no inline battery...please address both...as well as PT plugged directly into USB2 port of a PC and PT plugged directly into 110V USB adapter. (assume the surge suppresor is in place)

Good question.
Little clarification: I am assuming the question doesn't really have anything to do with a carto but you are asking about shorting the power source?

Far and away, your most at risk case is going to be when battery's are involved. If they are not protected then it's the same thing as a wall plug with no fuse or breaker on it.

Short answer. Something is probably going to melt. Hopefully it is
1) the rest of the coil that shorted against the side or a small wire within the carto. Fast, painless, inexpensive.
2) a fuse. Hopefully a resetable fuse. Best case it's the protection circuit in your protected battery -- best because it resets automatically when the short is removed.
3) If the passthru is using an inline battery I think it depends if the passthru uses power directly when plugged in and charges the battery at the same time or if it powers through the battery only all the time. Think of it as two independent circuits. one is from the wall to recharge the battery only and the other is the battery powering the device. In that case it's the same as just using a battery. Hope it's protected.
If the passthru can be used when plugged into the wall regardless of the condition of the battery then it would be the same as a passthru without a battery at all. If it's UL rated then you can be fairly confident that it's fused or would fail gracefully. If it's some generic unlabeled thing from China then who know? I'd suspect something would melt or catch fire in a little while. Again, hopefully it's something like a small wire or solder joint.

I'll take some of that back. With a power supply, shorting something externally may not be that dramatic. The supply is rated to supply some max current. Usually we're trying to draw more than that but only for short bursts with a good amount of time inbetween. If you shorted it for a while what would happen... not really sure on that. Ideally it's fused or detects dead shorts.

Good question on the usb port. I have to assume that usb ports are fused against dead shorts or they are simply limited to the amount of current they can supply. PC USB ports generally supply up to 0.5 amps at 5v max. We are always trying to draw a lot more than that. Tipically 1.8 amps at 5v. I don't see where shorting it is any different. Same for power supplies.

So that is sort of half an answer.