Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

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Kent C

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Kent, from what I've read elsewhere on the forum, think you got it dead on about the Defender. Hopefully will be easily enough fixable...once I get some time to play tinkering toolgirl. :)

This is what I use for the cones:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-193.html#post1678075

I have extra cones - but the attys actually work fairly well with the 'carto cones' too. Depends on how you want the airflow. Some, including myself like the more restricted airflow for the attys - using stronger flavors the extra heat provides better flavor and vapor. Wouldn't do it with fruit/berry flavor though.

Thanks Katya for the confirmation....
 

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Short answer. Something is probably going to melt. Hopefully it is
1) the rest of the coil that shorted against the side or a small wire within the carto. Fast, painless, inexpensive.


Just to let you know that scenerio is unlikely to happen..the great majority of shorting issues,when it comes to cartos/atties, is when the center post of the carto is pushed in breaking the silicone spacer and making contact with the threaded part of the carto.... and this usually occurs by over tightening the carto.





it's amazing how many posts could have been a create thread :blush:
 

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Just to let you know that scenerio is unlikely to happen..the great majority of shorting issues,when it comes to cartos/atties, is when the center post of the carto is pushed in breaking the silicone spacer and making contact with the threaded part of the carto.... and this usually occurs by over tightening the carto.

I agree. but I wasn't sure about the question. That would put you into the "directly shorting the power source" categories...

and a good reason not to use rubbing alcholol to clean with. It attacks the silicone and will cause it to fail prematurely. Probably doesn't make much difference with a carto since you will almost surely throw it out before that happens but adapters could be a different story.
 
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you guys should hide this thread. before it becomes evidence to ban us from using Pv's

Oh, Brad, do you honestly believe that the FDA, or the rest of our government, for that matter, really makes decisions based on evidence and facts and common sense? If they were, they would be endorsing the harm-reduction products like snus, dissolvable tobacco, CigRX, and electronic cigarettes.

They don't need evidence. They just like to tax and ban things they deem, for whatever reason, harmful to ignorant citizenry. E-cigs and toys in McDonald's happy meals. This is all for our protection, because we are too stupid to make our own decisions. Please, don't even get me started.

If anything, they are stubbornly refusing to listen and accept the mounting evidence that harm-reduction products are saving lives.
 

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Hey Katya,

I have a 4081 battery on the way from a PIF, which cartos do you recommend I try?
If I remember right, its SS, or Trueman??? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

And an Update:
The TruVapor 510 cartos I got from VaporsEtc seem to be working out (on a standard 510). The first one I burned was likely due to user error (don't normally use a manual battery), and the second was probably defective. The other 3 seem to be working well. The first 2 burnt very quick, so i decided to use different juice for the other 3. I have not been vaping them exclusively, or even very much for that matter, but they definitely seem the type to hold up (double clutching helps). and they provide a much better TH than my V9s on an auto KR8. admittedly they do not taste as good.

i will definitely be buying more. and if they work out, ill get a fat batt to go with it!

Thanks again for the rec' Katya!
If anyone ever asks... I'll tell em, "Everything I know, a little Bird told me."
 

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you guys should hide this thread. before it becomes evidence to ban us from using Pv's
8-o
How did you find this thread?

The TruVapor 510 cartos I got from VaporsEtc seem to be working out (on a standard 510).
i will definitely be buying more. and if they work out, ill get a fat batt to go with it!
If anyone ever asks... I'll tell em, "Everything I know, a little Bird told me."
I love those cartos. Just the right resistance for 3.xx volt vaping.

That delicious looking little birdy. If I could just get my paws on her.

 

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This is what I use for the cones:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-193.html#post1678075

I have extra cones - but the attys actually work fairly well with the 'carto cones' too. Depends on how you want the airflow. Some, including myself like the more restricted airflow for the attys - using stronger flavors the extra heat provides better flavor and vapor. Wouldn't do it with fruit/berry flavor though.

Thanks Katya for the confirmation....


Hmmmm....our SnapOn guy is due in tomorrow. I'll have to ask him if he has anything like this. Thanks!
 

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Okay Katya....I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one....or maybe it has to do with exactly what type (thread pattern) and style (horizantal coil versus verticle wire) carto you are using.....because I absolutley DO drip directly down the center of my 4081 cartos....and now also the Tru 510's and KR808's....but only because they have that horizantal coil at the bottom and THAT is what you want kept wet. It is still my belief that you can have what appears to be a fully filled carto and still end up with instant burn-out because although the filler is saturated that coil is still bone dry.

Ehem... We agree in theory, but we seem to have differently constructed cartos. I do drip a few drops directly on the horizontal coil (much like an atomizer coil), but I fill them by just slowly dripping down the walls of the carto until saturated. The only cartos with this horizontal coil I've ever encountered are; 510 SLB and 4081 (SS, old style Trueman and GP). The 510 Truemans from Vapors Etc. have a white rigid wire running up the entire height of the filler, much like any kr808 cartomizers.

And Kent, you are, of course, right; one can top off using a drip tip if one tilts the carto to avoid flooding the center tube. I find it just as easy to remove the drip tip; I like to see what's going on inside the carto, how much liquid I have there and to recenter the tube if necessary. That tube tends to tilt to one side or the other and that is one of the causes of premature burning, in my experience.

BTW, my 510 attys leaked terribly over time so I started tossing them out when I couldn't stop the excessive leaking, I figured they were just worn and no good anymore even though they would pull a draw. I was tired of having to hold my e-cig with a paper towel strip over the area where the atty screwed into the battery. That got old quick.

Hi, Paise, and welcome! That's why I love cartomizers. Can't beat the convenience and I'm yet to see one leak.

Katya, I don't think the nekkies are in yet. Ben posted they were but then posted right after that they weren't, due to a messed up shipment I believe. Of course, maybe since then they are again and I'm just confused as usual. LOL

Yeah, I read the thread. Just peel off the label. They come off easily; all you need to do is give them a quick wipe with some gentle glue remover (or your leftover lighter fluid.:blink:) Then take a sheet of #220 sandpaper and slowly start sanding off the narrow end of the cone until you have the airflow that you like.

and this usually occurs by over tightening the carto.

Really? You live and learn. I never overtighten because I feel it restricts the draw, but I never knew it cause a short.

and a good reason not to use rubbing alcholol to clean with. It attacks the silicone and will cause it to fail prematurely. Probably doesn't make much difference with a carto since you will almost surely throw it out before that happens but adapters could be a different story.

What silicone? Talk to me. I wipe the battery threads clean with alcohol wipes or q-tips dipped in alcohol... never saw any silicone there... :confused:

As far as the AquaVapor 4081 cartos, I'm not having an issue with hard draw or low vapor unless they are overfilled. I am getting clouds of vapor off about a 5 second puff. I don't use the condom method to refill, just putting about 6 - 10 drops in occassionally when I notice a decrease in vapor.

Must be just my rotten luck. I'm sorry they don't carry the farsee 4081s. Lorikay liked them a lot. So did you, if I remember correctly.

Hey Katya,

I have a 4081 battery on the way from a PIF, which cartos do you recommend I try?
If I remember right, its SS, or Trueman??? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

And an Update:
The TruVapor 510 cartos I got from VaporsEtc seem to be working out (on a standard 510). The first one I burned was likely due to user error (don't normally use a manual battery), and the second was probably defective. The other 3 seem to be working well. The first 2 burnt very quick, so i decided to use different juice for the other 3. I have not been vaping them exclusively, or even very much for that matter, but they definitely seem the type to hold up (double clutching helps). and they provide a much better TH than my V9s on an auto KR8. admittedly they do not taste as good.

i will definitely be buying more. and if they work out, ill get a fat batt to go with it!

Thanks again for the rec' Katya!
If anyone ever asks... I'll tell em, "Everything I know, a little Bird told me."

Flattery will get you everywhere, my dear. :)

SS cartos are the best, imo, but Truemans and GP are not far behind for half the price. It's my understanding that Vapors Etc. will carry the 4081s, but they don't have them yet, so you need to order from China. GP has two kinds, the prefilled ones I use and the new empties that Neo loves (2.5Ω--so you need to be careful.) What kind of battery are you getting? If it's not SS, chances are you won't like it very much. I found SS batteries to be far superior to all the others I've tried.

Having said that, my favorite setup atm is an eGo/RiVa and Trueman cartos. I wrote to Ross at VE and he was very helpful. He's trying to get to the bottom of the problem and make sure the bad ones are weeded out. As I said before, when those Truemans are good, they are very good. In the meantime, when using them on the eGo batteries, be careful and just take them off the battery as soon as you detect even the slightest change of taste. I'll keep you posted.

If you want to try the GP cartos, let me know. I like flattery...;)

all that work coming up with a thread title that was so bland no one would notice... down the tubes.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hey. Lu! It really is time to change the title.
 
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What silicone? Talk to me. I wipe the battery threads clean with alcohol wipes or q-tips dipped in alcohol... never saw any silicone there... :confused:

Adapters. Like 510->901-808D adapters. (and I guess any connector?).

The center post is positive.
The outer barrel/threads is negative.
The center post must be held in place and at the same time must be insulated from the encircling barrel. That's generally done with a silicone sleeve/ring/grommet/collar. I've never taken a regular connector (the ones that are part of a cartomizer/atomizer) apart to see what the insulator is made of. I have disassembled and reassembled my adapters. The insulator on those is silicone.
 

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Oh, Brad, do you honestly believe that the FDA, or the rest of our government, for that matter, really makes decisions based on evidence and facts and common sense? If they were, they would be endorsing the harm-reduction products like snus, dissolvable tobacco, CigRX, and electronic cigarettes.

They don't need evidence. They just like to tax and ban things they deem, for whatever reason, harmful to ignorant citizenry. E-cigs and toys in McDonald's happy meals. This is all for our protection, because we are too stupid to make our own decisions. Please, don't even get me started.

If anything, they are stubbornly refusing to listen and accept the mounting evidence that harm-reduction products are saving lives.

True kinda like dictatorship... If they have the power... maybe ill just keep my opinion to myself.. lol aloha
 

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So I have just searched through roughly 30 pages of this thread and could not find exactly what I was looking for so I am sorry if this has been repeated many times but, I am a 6V+ Vaper and I was wondering if anyone had any success with certain cartos at this voltage. I have heard that a lot of the 4081 cartos are really hard to burn, has anyone used on 6v? I use cartos pretty much exclusively but I go through about one a day. It would be great if I could extend that to maybe 3 days. Not sure that, that is possible but wanted to ask. I have to say though that I am pretty excited about this first vapornine carto that I am using right now, it seems to be holding up better than all of the 510 brands I have tried. By the way, I have noticed the Nhaler higher resistance cartos but am yet to try. Please any opinions/help/suggestions would be great. Thanks
 

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6v here. I was doing just fine with the KR808D cartos from AltSmoke but I need my stuff to be 3.0 ohms or more for my batteries and they started running below that. I'm having great luck with the 510 Mega (blank) cartos from NHaler (they run 2.9 ohms to 3.2 ohms). The Turbo cartos from VaporNine run a consistent 3.4 ohms (so far) but they seem to be easier to burn than the Megas.
 

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True kinda like dictatorship... If they have the power... maybe ill just keep my opinion to myself.. lol aloha

:offtopic:Aloha, Brad. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, it wasn't my intention. This thread is about cartomizers and we really must refrain from political discussions here. I just want to tell you that my remarks were not aimed at your or anybody else's political views. I have no idea what they are, to begin with. I never used the term "dictatorship" because I know from experience what a true dictatorship is. Having said that, I stand by my remarks, even though I shouldn't probably have posted them here. My apologies.


So I have just searched through roughly 30 pages of this thread and could not find exactly what I was looking for so I am sorry if this has been repeated many times but, I am a 6V+ Vaper and I was wondering if anyone had any success with certain cartos at this voltage. I have heard that a lot of the 4081 cartos are really hard to burn, has anyone used on 6v? I use cartos pretty much exclusively but I go through about one a day. It would be great if I could extend that to maybe 3 days. Not sure that, that is possible but wanted to ask. I have to say though that I am pretty excited about this first vapornine carto that I am using right now, it seems to be holding up better than all of the 510 brands I have tried. By the way, I have noticed the Nhaler higher resistance cartos but am yet to try. Please any opinions/help/suggestions would be great. Thanks

6v here. I was doing just fine with the KR808D cartos from AltSmoke but I need my stuff to be 3.0 ohms or more for my batteries and they started running below that. I'm having great luck with the 510 Mega (blank) cartos from NHaler (they run 2.9 ohms to 3.2 ohms). The Turbo cartos from VaporNine run a consistent 3.4 ohms (so far) but they seem to be easier to burn than the Megas.

I agree with Quick. I don't do HV, and I love the Turbos, but recently I have difficulties keeping the Turbos on 3.7-4.2v for longer than a couple of days.

I never tried 4081 cartos on anything higher than 4.2v, but they are burn-resistant if kept wet at all times.

IkenVape has 3.5Ω atomizers that a lot of people like, that's if you're willing to give atomizers a try. There was some talk about introducing 3.5Ω 510 cartos there, but, in order to get a definitive answer, you'll have to wait for the night shift. WitchWay should be here shortly, it's already past midnight in Texas. ;)
 
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The 510 Truemans from Vapors Etc. have a white rigid wire running up the entire height of the filler, much like any kr808 cartomizers.
Have you taken one apart yet? They are kind of a hybrid....yes they have the wire....but they also have the wicking coil like a 4081...it just runs vertically up through the filling

I think WW has a coven meeting tonite....not sure...I'll have to go outside and see what phase the moon is in......me? I've just been sitting here watching old Joan Jett videos...now THERE is a chick who knew how to age gracefully.....:headbang:

oh...speaking of Ego cartomizers.....how the heck is it possible to lose an entire box of those things???? Where are my white ones? Anyone seen them?
 
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Have you taken one apart yet? They are kind of a hybrid....yes they have the wire....but they also have the wicking coil like a 4081...it just runs vertically up through the filling

I think WW has a coven meeting tonite....not sure...I'll have to go outside and see what phase the moon is in......me? I've just been sitting here watching old Joan Jett videos...now THERE is a chick who knew how to age gracefully.....:headbang:

No nude dancing under the moon until next Tuesday :lol:

Get busy for a day and look at all I've missed again. I'm sure Kat can tell you where but I did pics of the Truman/Tru-Vapor cartos a while back. Has anybody ever found out who actually manufactures these cartos? I currently am suspecting Bauway, but need to look a bit further into it before I'm sure.

Joan Jett? You're scaring me now ;)

And here's a new one. I have a 510 carto I've never seen before. Yes folks there is one I haven't tried yet LOL Not even sure where it came from is the worst part. It's black with silver threads, but not a Boge. The filler inside reminds me of the Tru-Vapor cartos and the bottom of the threads is slotted like the Tru-Vapor, where the Boges are flat. It tests at 2.9 ohms. Anybody know anything about these?
 

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Has anybody ever found out who actually manufactures these cartos? I currently am suspecting Bauway, but need to look a bit further into it before I'm sure.


not knowing much about chinese manufacturing, i'm just guessing but suspect trueman makes their own.
remember when i did the co-op? part of of the carto order came in pieces and i had to assemble them. would a supplier go through adding inner plug, endcap and condoms and then putting them in blister packs or otherwise encase them?
glad to see everybody's still trying to come up with a decent carto. i have been seriously sidetracked in 'my other life' but try to at least stay on top of reading here.
 
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