Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[lorikay13]

good point missMia. Shall I try and think up of a new can of worms for us to open ?

Scored!!! Got a clear red stealth model...510. So excited!!!

Yes...btw...I was just kidding about the attys. I do know that this particular subject has been studied. As far as I'm concerned if Scottbee does it that's good enough for me. oh...wait....he used to smoke didn't he??? hmmm...scratch that....excuse me while I go adjust my foil hat.


ps....in case you'all can't tell that is a foil hat on the anteater. With his poor little private parts all exposed like that I didn't want the gov't mind rays to make him sterile!

 

[miss MiA]

Congrats lorikay! My mouse kinda wanted to click on yet another one too; heck, even if I damned some of them to just doing carto top-offs for me would still be nice lol! Probably the main reason I controlled myself is that these guys are always adding features or improving things, so thought I'd keep myself at two for now and see what might dawn in the near-enough future. MrPuff has said he's working on an 18650 model so batt life would be even better, and possibly a stainless steel version! Those particular ones I could probably resist tho, and it's easy enough to carry an extra batt if desired. As it is, the small size will be very convenient, and cute.

So, no plans to try the new Nhaler KR8 Mega cartos eh? Anyone else plan to, yoo hoo?? Surely this development deserves more than crickets lol!

 

[wmrwl]

Wow I was going to get the 510 cartos but now I'm second guessing that idea. Is the body of the carto made of metal? If it is, then I might just modify it to work more like a 2 piece. I don't know what's worse...burning the plastic carts on a 3 piece or burning the fill inside of a carto.

 

[miss MiA]

Wow I was going to get the 510 cartos but now I'm second guessing that idea. Is the body of the carto made of metal? If it is, then I might just modify it to work more like a 2 piece. I don't know what's worse...burning the plastic carts on a 3 piece or burning the fill inside of a carto.

I haven't tried the 510 cartos (not expecting diff in burn potential, if any, to turn out to be revolutionary or all that signif myself tho), but as far as reg atty carts vs. cartos, afaik there has so far always been much more fill burning potential in the latter than former. The cart filler gets that dry possibly burny taste when running out, but that I know of we're not seeing it turn into charcoal or necessarily singe or turn color at all like with many cartos. (Especially if care is taken to line cart direction up with atty direction where applicable.) Maybe some poly whiskers to pull out occasionally if certain fillers are used. But we can use other ones, or just drip of course.

 

[wmrwl]

I have burned the actual plastic carts on the 3 piece, but never the filler.

 

[miss MiA]

I have burned the actual plastic carts on the 3 piece, but never the filler.

From what I've heard that's usually a matter of not lining up the cart with the atty correctly (and/or I'd imagine maybe additional factors like hitting too long or often; higher voltage if applicable, etc.), or maybe you could trim back the rim a bit... Anyway it seems it's something pretty avoidable one way or another... *I just don't know if any kind of carto yet is something most would consider a safer alternative to atties, especially in a way relating to any burn issues...

*Edit to add: Forgot about GCs! Those haven't been know to burn as of yet. And I like them a lot, but not everyone does and they take some heat for that lol, and slipped my mind!

 

[Yankee802]

Ok, guess I'll chime in here.

I've tried pretty much all the cartos. KR8, Premium, Turbo, GreenCig, (KR808D1) 510, & Smokestik (4081).

I can't stand GreenCig, they draw VERY hard, and the flavor outright sucks (can I say that?)

KR8 and Premium seem the same to me, Premiums have a rubber top.

510 & Turbos (both have a blue wire inside) ROCK! Best combination of flavor, throat hit and vapor, period. However, I've burned a few.

SmokeStik cartos are unique, they DON'T burn, the filler comes right out, and GOES BACK IN! For more on the SmokeStick cartos, seem my review here.

 

[miss MiA]

...looks berry berry interesting Yankee, thanks! Ok resident analysts, come forth NOW and have a peek (at something besides Turbos already, fer cryin out loud! Not to knock them!), I COMMAND YOU!!!! Enough of this 'I have a life' business!!!

 

[Scottbee]

Who has summoned the great and powerful Oz????

 

[kemuri]

Ladies and gents, if you don't mind can I get a cliff notes version on the present situation of cartomizers? Feel free to edumacate and correct me on what I think is going on--

KR8--the cylindrical paper around the vertical coil burns, possibly even during the first session before you push it to the point of vaping it dry.

501 cartos--as above, burnt parts.

Greencigs--since only a few seem to use it (I seem to be among the few actually trying it) there may not be enough data yet, but greencigs don't seem to end up with burnt internals.

The 4081 cartos which Yankee posted about seem to be free of the burning weakness as well.

Advantages of KR8 (and maybe 510 cartos?)--easy to refill using the condom method or whatever you call it, where you essentially fill the silicone caps with eliquid and slowly place the carto--either end seems ok--into the cap and let the internals soak up the fluid in a few hours or maybe even a day.

Greencig--a bit more humbug to refill since using a hypo is about the only way? I'm trying the condom method on it and it seems to work but I have no idea how much it's really soaking up using this method. I was simply curious about it as an alternate pv for when not at home, such as when driving.

4081 carto--maybe as easy to refill as a KR8?

Price--if you figure a carto's life is 2 weeks, then there isn't a huge difference if a 5 pack which lasts 10 weeks is $10 or $15 (current nhaler price I believe). $15 over 10 weeks is $1.50 per week.

I'm not concerned with the "tastiness" aspect of it right now since that's another can of worms, being too subjective.

I'm more interested in the convenience factor of cartomizers and pretty much that only, but without taking chances on burnt parts. Thanks for your input.

 

[miss MiA]

Hi kemuri, good to see ya! That sounds like a good summary to me, except that more than just the paper/cellulose-type wrapper can burn (on standard cartos anyway) before one becomes aware of it, e.g. sometimes some of the poly batting too. And recently some new higher-resistance, cooler-running, apparently less burn-prone versions like the V9 Turbos and now presumably Nhaler Megas have come out. There are more than those but not many seem to be looking further into all of them yet.

But I must load Scottbee up before he goes and has Capt'n Morgan do it:

Who has summoned the great and powerful Oz????

...all of us love, and I know I can speak for Kat Bird too!! Lorikay would love to tangle with you for any reason of course, even if she might have gone with the 'live life to the fullest' (even if shorter ahahahaaaa) notion in her product selection by now!! I keed, I keed!

I will guess at some of the possible assignmen... er, 'requests for opinion' on the collective mind. These, largely in relation to the original subject of this thread:

1. Opinion of new soft cap Turbos vs. original hard-cap; plus any new thoughts/observations on the Turbos since the last 'get-togethers';

2. Gonna try Nhaler's new higher resistance Mega cartos? Any initial thoughts or insider info on them?

3. Opinion of 510 cartos?

4. [Bonus] Opinion of the 4081 cartos just mentioned? (Edit to add: FYI expensive, better direct from China tho; no blanks; possibly tobacco & menthol flavors only; not widely available.)

Or, which might ye anticipate having a closer look at? Hi!

 

[kemuri]

Hi kemuri, good to see ya! That sounds like a good summary to me, except that more than just the paper/cellulose-type wrapper can burn (on standard cartos anyway) before one becomes aware of it, e.g. sometimes some of the poly batting too. And recently some new higher-resistance, cooler-running, apparently less burn-prone versions like the V9 Turbos and now presumably Nhaler Megas have come out. There are more than those but not many seem to be looking further into all of them yet.

Hi there, miss M. I'll re-visit this thread from time to time to see what's going on with cartos.

And find out what the little one is saying to Big Spotty in the avatar.

 

[Katya]

So I leave the forum for a few hours to get some work done and I come back to walls of text. You guys have been busy.

Yankee, thank you very much for that curveball. Just as I was getting all my carto ducks in a row... Now I'm perplexed, all over again. Smokesticks? Twenty bucks a package? And how exactly do I mount them on my kr8 batts? Is there a kr808>4081 adapter? I've only seen 510 and 901>4081. Help!

Scott, dear, you're not earning your keep here. We do appreciate all those witty one-liners, but that's not why you were hired. Could you kindly review Miss MiA's questionnaire and provide some badly needed expertise, for once?

Lori, that's a hat? Heaven help us. The poor creature looks horny to me...

Kemuri, great summary. Thanks. You can fill the Greencigs by slowly dripping into the battery hole if you don't want to bother with a syringe. Plunger method is not advisable with Greencig cartos, or so I've heard from the expert users.

Miss MiA, mostly stage, just a few movies.

I need to go to bed.

 

[Scottbee]

I will guess at some of the possible assignmen... er, 'requests for opinion' on the collective mind. These, largely in relation to the original subject of this thread:

1. Opinion of new soft cap Turbos vs. original hard-cap; plus any new thoughts/observations on the Turbos since the last 'get-togethers';

Dunno. I still have quite a few of the hard-caps to burn through.. although I do have a batch of soft-cappers on order. Based on what I have heard, performance and fundamental construction is basically the same, which is fine by me. To be honest with you, I don't much care if they are hard or soft capped. I use the condom-fill method (and trust me, I do know how to completely fill a condom).... so being able to easily remove the cap really isn't much of an advantage to me personally.

2. Gonna try Nhaler's new higher resistance Mega cartos? Any initial thoughts or insider info on them?

Not really high on my list of things to try, and I don't have any on order. Generally speaking, "higher" resistance isn't a good thing at 3.7V... but the Turbos have shown that this is not a hard and fast fact...

3. Opinion of 510 cartos?

I have none. I personally haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that they vape substantially "different" than the Turbos (although I've heard conflicting reports on their resistance). I actually LIKE having the adapter on the Turbo cartos when they are on a TorneGo battery.. and probably wouldn't like the 510 cartos (on the TorneGo) for that reason.

4. [Bonus] Opinion of the 4081 cartos just mentioned? (Edit to add: FYI expensive, better direct from China tho; no blanks; possibly tobacco & menthol flavors only; not widely available.)

Very, very interesting design. I will probably look into these further.

Or, which might ye anticipate having a closer look at? Hi!

I spend almost all of my time vaping a LR atty on a TorneGo base unit with a bottom-feeder for liquid delivery. Kinda hard for anything to beat that combo right now.....

 

[dhowardpeters]

I spend almost all of my time vaping a LR atty on a TorneGo base unit with a bottom-feeder for liquid delivery. Kinda hard for anything to beat that combo right now.....

What's a bottom feeder? Is there a picture anywhere?

 

[Scottbee]

What's a bottom feeder? Is there a picture anywhere?

Here ya go:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/product-feature-design-requests/70591-dream-pvs.html

Look for the Super TorneGo II....

Luv that thing!

 

[dhowardpeters]

Here ya go:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/product-feature-design-requests/70591-dream-pvs.html

Look for the Super TorneGo II....

Luv that thing!

Oh, yes. That was the thread with the boat transformation pictures, yes? Fantastic! I just wasn't ready for the bottom feeder info the first time I read it. I still don't understand how you did it AT ALL (did you BUILD that larger cone that rotates?!), but I can get my brain around the concept now. You are a huge TEASE! So, if you were a lowly e-cig toddler with no mechanical/technical skills (i.e. no bottom feeder or hope of one), what would you use for juice? Turbos cartos? I'm already using a kr8 mega (with 510 attys) based on your battery research and getting a tornego because you use one, so you might as well keep telling me what to do

 

[Scottbee]

Oh, yes. That was the thread with the boat transformation pictures, yes? Fantastic! I just wasn't ready for the bottom feeder info the first time I read it. I still don't understand how you did it AT ALL (did you BUILD that larger cone that rotates?!), but I can get my brain around the concept now. You are a huge TEASE! So, if you were a lowly e-cig toddler with no mechanical/technical skills (i.e. no bottom feeder or hope of one), what would you use for juice? Turbos cartos? I'm already using a kr8 mega (with 510 attys) based on your battery research and getting a tornego because you use one, so you might as well keep telling me what to do

If the other kids jumped off of a cliff, would you jump off too???

Sorry.. too easy.

Yes, I made the rotating "cone" and the tanker-reservoir that happily lives within it. Took a while to get it right.....

Frankly, if you can handle the "hassle" associated with carts and cart mods... then using a TorneGo with a LR atty sure is a nice vape. Always keeping in mind that the LR atty lifespan is short, and if the atty "shorts out" it will kill the TorneGo battery dead, dead, dead with no hope of reasonable resurrection.

My WU (Wife Unit) won't dork with cartridges or atties anymore (can't say I blame her).. and I won't build her a Super TorneGo II since she is withholding sex (5 times a week isn't enough for a testosterone-laced, strapping young buck-stud such as myself!)... so she vapes happily away with a TorneGo, slightly modified adapter, slightly modified cone, and the Turbo cartomizers.

This appears to keep her happy.. which means fewer visits from the pool-boy.... which helps to keep down expenses.

Probably ought to consider actually getting a pool one of these days... the neighbors are starting to talk.

 

[dhowardpeters]

If the other kids jumped off of a cliff, would you jump off too???

"The other kids" is so vague, so, no, I would not. But, my friend once said she'd jump if I jumped because she said, "I'd know there was a damm good reason!" Now I wouldn't trust life and limb to you (I think you might have a bit of a mean streak), but vaping decisions? Oh yeah! I like your brain.

Yes, I made the rotating "cone" and the tanker-reservoir that happily lives within it. Took a while to get it right.....

Unbelievable! You can fabricate plastic?

Frankly, if you can handle the "hassle" associated with carts and cart mods... then using a TorneGo with a LR atty sure is a nice vape. Always keeping in mind that the LR atty lifespan is short, and if the atty "shorts out" it will kill the TorneGo battery dead, dead, dead with no hope of reasonable resurrection.

How short?

My WU (Wife Unit) won't dork with cartridges or atties anymore (can't say I blame her).. andI won't build her a Super TorneGo II since she is withholding sex (5 times a week isn't enough for a testosterone-laced, strapping young buck-stud such as myself!)... so she vapes happily away with a TorneGo, slightly modified adapter, slightly modified cone, and the Turbo cartomizers.

You should thank your lucky stars and give that woman whatever she wants.

 

[miss MiA]

Thank you Dr. Bee.

[Re 510 cartos]

I have none. I personally haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that they vape substantially "different" than the Turbos (although I've heard conflicting reports on their resistance). I actually LIKE having the adapter on the Turbo cartos when they are on a TorneGo battery.. and probably wouldn't like the 510 cartos (on the TorneGo) for that reason.

I specifically like the effect adapters have in some of my setups too (adding that because I know it will make you feel validated ). Almost always have one in use, and think that's been a considerable part of why I appear to have less of a 'burn' issue than some. Maybe those wanting to mellow things out in some way should try adding them whether needed or not (tho um, that would require doubling up in many cases... at least 901 > KR8 adapter seems it would work alone in either direction for this, tho design of those can vary). Perhaps ppl could also do that to help address the new quandary of HV, including some passthrus, not seeming to go well with some new carto styles...

[Re 4081 cartos]

Very, very interesting design. I will probably look into these further.

FYI to anyone starting to pay attn to these, here's a thread where some sources came up (tho OP was seeking blanks which don't appear to exist/yet). May be lots of threads, just happened to stumble upon this one. One shop listed, trueman-ecig.com, appears to have those cartos for $7.00/5 (it's China so maybe the same shipping/free shipping at a point routine we're 'used to' with others applies). Seems pretty amazing compared to prices elsewhere, hmmm... Anyway, quite a few additional vendors of the 4081 e-cig model were named in the thread too, tho apparently many just carry carts for them atm, not cartos. But maybe they'll eventually also stock the carto version (would seem stranger if they didn't IMO)... or could even be persuaded to.