Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

IVape

Thanks, Neo!

The drip-o-mizers are a gimmick to force you to buy a reusable drip-tip with every cartomizer. However, I hope that if they are really good, the vendor will eventually offer drip-o-mizers without a drip-tip, just like Isaac from IkenVape did after we all started complaining. Of course, Isaac is an exceptional vendor...

 

[Quick1]

But common sense would tell you that it can't be beneficial to your health. That's why I don't worry too much about inhaling a whiff of a smoke coming from a singed cotton wraper; God knows we were all smokers and used to inhale the smoke coming from burning paper, tobacco leaves and those famous 4000 poisons. But I, for some reason, don't want to inhale fumes from unidentified plastics.

No doubt. But I was only speculating in the context of "dark juice". Whether finding darkened juice in your carto necessarily implies that something/petro-chemicals actually burned.

I think juice can darken significantly by itself.
I think "gunk" that may not be a result of burning juice will darken the juice in the carto.
You can actually burn juice and it will darken liquid juice it's in contact or mixes with (not sure if burning juice is bad for you or not).

I was speculating whether melting (it off gasses) or burning plastic/fiber/wick/filler/socks in itself imparts color to the juice.
Bottom line: I don't think finding dark juice in your carto necessarily implies that wick/filler/sock was burned. I do believe you are likely to find darkened juice if wick/filler/sock does get burned (whether it was those things that directly imparted the color or not) but the implication might not hold in the other direction.

lol, sometimes I can't explain things to myself.

 

[tiburonfirst]

lol - if i understand correctly:

burning is not the only reason why juice will darken

i agree

 

[plewm]

can atomizers emit anything ugly? does the wick/coil heating up produce anything? i hate this thread :/

 

[emus]

can atomizers emit anything ugly? does the wick/coil heating up produce anything? i hate this thread :/

Put a couple drops on hot aluminum foil and you'll see color change and the formation of solid high carbon slag with some liquids.

 

[wyojoe]

Put a couple drops on hot aluminum foil and you'll see color change and the formation of solid high carbon slag with some liquids.

What a very good Idea, That will show what happens to E-liquid and why they darken in the carto's and cartomizers. And why the juice gunk's up the coils over time.

 

[emus]

What a very good Idea, That will show what happens to E-liquid and why they darken in the carto's and cartomizers. And why the juice gunk's up the coils over time.

Thanks.
I use the hot foil test to determine which liquids will foul wick and coil.
If liq leaves a nasty slag pile and taste isn't awesome I don't use it.

 

[wyojoe]

Thanks.
I use the hot foil test to determine which liquids will foul wick and coil.
If liq leaves a nasty slag pile and taste isn't awesome I don't use it.

Sounds great to me, and I will do that myself.

 

[kwcharlie]

Thanks.
I use the hot foil test to determine which liquids will foul wick and coil.
If liq leaves a nasty slag pile and taste isn't awesome I don't use it.

so which ones have you found pass both tests emus. We'll work to not derail this thread with a juice fight everyone won't we!

 

[emus]

so which ones have you found pass both tests emus. We'll work to not derail this thread with a juice fight everyone won't we!

Flavor West Menthol + unflavored leaves no residue on heated foil.
It is very wick/coil friendly.
It can be mixed very strong.

DIY cinnamon extract leaves slag on hot foil.
It kills atty quick.
I still vape it because it is yummy.

My coffee flavors leave slag on foil so I quit using them.

The super strong flavors do pretty good on hot foil and are pretty atty friendly.
Like Lorann Black Walnut, Clove, Sassafras, Peppermint, Spearmint, etc.

 

[plewm]

Put a couple drops on hot aluminum foil and you'll see color change and the formation of solid high carbon slag with some liquids.

i wasn't talking about liquids, just atomizers in general. do the wicks and coils have anything nasty on them?

Thanks.
I use the hot foil test to determine which liquids will foul wick and coil.
If liq leaves a nasty slag pile and taste isn't awesome I don't use it.

which vendors' liquid has passed the emus test? or can it pass/fail from flavor to flavor?

 

[emus]

i wasn't talking about liquids, just atomizers in general. do the wicks and coils have anything nasty on them?



which vendors' liquid has passed the emus test? or can it pass/fail from flavor to flavor?

Clean atty should burn pretty clean I think. Basically nichrome wire, ceramic fiber wick, ceramic cup, metal mesh. The slag deposited on atty can off gas nasty tasting vapor.

Pass/fail depends on flavor.

 

[Katya]

i hate this thread :/

Hey!!!....

 

[Katya]

so which ones have you found pass both tests emus. We'll work to not derail this thread with a juice fight everyone won't we!

Charlie, you should know by now that nobody can derail this thread.... Many have tried.

 

[Katya]

Put a couple drops on hot aluminum foil and you'll see color change and the formation of solid high carbon slag with some liquids.

What a very good Idea, That will show what happens to E-liquid and why they darken in the carto's and cartomizers. And why the juice gunk's up the coils over time.

Yup!

I actually don't need to test my eliquids anymore. The darker, the sweeter, the more flavorful the eliquid, the more gunk it will produce. All those additives do not evaporate and just stick to the coil--sugars, artificial colorings, artificial (or natural) flavorings.

I've switched to unflavored or barely flavored ejuices. Except for a few guilty pleasures, like some coffees and chocolate mint cookies, I choose clear eliquids like menthols and mild, light tobaccos--no more problems.

Switching to tanks (and testing some clear cartos) has been a real eye opener for me.

And yes, vaping unflavored really helps. PG and VG do dissolve at least some of the buildup on the coil, especially at higher voltages. Thanks Lorikay and LGD for suggesting that.

 

[emus]

Yup!

I actually don't need to test my eliquids anymore. The darker, the sweeter, the more flavorful the eliquid, the more gunk it will produce. All those additives do not evaporate and just stick to the coil--sugars, artificial colorings, artificial (or natural) flavorings.

I've switched to unflavored or barely flavored ejuices. Except for a few guilty pleasures, like some coffees and chocolate mint cookies, I choose clear eliquids like menthols and mild, light tobaccos--no more problems.

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There are a few flavorful eliquids that don't foul wick like the menthol you mentioned.

As a rule of thumb, dark juices foil wick like you said.

Medium dark juices vary in fouling potential.

Super strong flavorings work good. Probably because they are so diluted in eliquid.

 

[Katya]

Flavor West Menthol + unflavored leaves no residue on heated foil.
It is very wick/coil friendly.
It can be mixed very strong.

The super strong flavors do pretty good on hot foil and are pretty atty friendly.
Like Lorann Black Walnut, Clove, Sassafras, Peppermint, Spearmint, etc.

There are a few flavorful eliquids that don't foul wick like the menthol you mentioned.

As a rule of thumb, dark juices foil wick like you said.

Medium dark juices vary in fouling potential.

Super strong flavorings work good. Probably because they are so diluted in eliquid.

Thanks, Emus. Very interesting.

I can confirm Spearmint, Peppermint etc (if not too sweet); I consider them all to be in the menthol/mint family. Very clean.

Never tried the other flavors you mention, I don't DYI, generally, but your theory makes sense. The less flavoring one needs to add, the better. Dilution is key.

 

[Kent C]

Well, include me into the club of burnt cartomizer users. Wasted some juice (KBV OMG) but there was something that bothered me about the filler. So, here's a pic of a dual coil I took apart out of curiosity:

The filler was ok but it was the 2 little pieces (don't know the name for them) that was wrapped around the coils that were burnt. As you can clearly see in the pic.

Hey all! Washvap - mine was real close to what you have their with the burnt - diapers/wraps/ ... fill in the blank What I did afterward was to soak all in the Galen's 151 proof vodka and the filler came out fairly white whereas the diaper was clearly burnt - blacker than what I see here - tiny hole....

I used it mainly on a SE Riva but had it on a Reo mod at one point - both 3.7v true.

BTW, OT - I've lost about 7 eGo-t attys since Scottbee and I got our first ones in December. I half/noticed (not paying enough attention) that the first few went upon first connecting to a new batt. Then 'which batt' became more evident - I have two regular Rivas - gold bands and several SE Rivas - silver band and one of the 'gold bands' was the culprit in the last three attys that I lost and I suspect at least 2 of the earlier ones from this same event - batt right off charger - atty gone. I know one went on a regular eGo batt - I don't believe I've lost any on the SE Rivas (odd since the increased voltage underload) AND these are regular ohm'd eGo attys.

I have lost LR's on each type of batt but for the most part they last longer than regular 510 lr attys (except for ciscos - real workhorses) So... I so wish Scottbee was around and I'd send him the one gold band to check it out internally - it still works, charges fine but I suspect it has a spike in V coming off the charger.... just in case anyone else is having the same effect and is wondering - take the batt off line....

And again OT here but I've had three cisco attys in my Reo mini since December - actually the first one was on a mega batt and then went to the Reo - that lasted three months, the next one almost three months, and the last one going strong since the last one went. It's the only atty that really lights up BWB applewood for me.

 

[Katya]

Hello, Kent! So good to see you again! Thanks for the update! My batteries are doing fine and I haven't lost any T-atties since January, but I'm using cartomizers a lot, so my atties don't get a lot of workout.

I'd love to use Cisco atties, but I have no patience for dripping. That's why I like tanks and cartos...

Yeah, Scottbee, oh, Scottbee, where might you be???

We miss ya!

 

[wyojoe]

I noticed in the pictures that the coil doesn't have a wick in it, so I guess that the diaper is what wets the coil, and must touch the coil to wick E-fluid, and therefor will scorch or burn if it gets dry. Anyone else with a thought??