Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[emus]

I noticed in the pictures that the coil doesn't have a wick in it, so I guess that the diaper is what wets the coil, and must touch the coil to wick E-fluid, and therefor will scorch or burn if it gets dry. Anyone else with a thought??

Washvap coil is very clean; no slag buildup.
Makes me think Washvap coil was running dry.
Thin mostly PG liquid wicks faster than some VG mixes.

I agree, the diaper must be wet and must be intimately involved w/ coil or else it will burn.

I no longer use air compressor to dry DC because I don't want to chance blowing diaper away from coil.

 

[wyojoe]

Washvap coil is very clean; no slag buildup.
Makes me think Washvap coil was running dry.
Thin mostly PG liquid wicks faster than some VG mixes.

I agree, the diaper must be wet and must be intimately involved w/ coil or else it will burn.

I no longer use air compressor to dry DC because I don't want to chance blowing diaper away from coil.

I Like to fill the cartomizer with a syringe, but it sometimes sticks a little and moves the wicking material down and compresses the wicking material. I hope then, that it doesn't also maybe slip the diaper down some too, but so far have not had a problem. What do you mean by (washvap coil) and how do you dry it, now that you don't use compressed air?

 

[emus]

I Like to fill the cartomizer with a syringe, but it sometimes sticks a little and moves the wicking material down and compresses the wicking material. I hope then, that it doesn't also maybe slip the diaper down some too, but so far have not had a problem. What do you mean by (washvap coil) and how do you dry it, now that you don't use compressed air?

Washvap is the person who posted picture earlier.

Usually I just blow out w/ mouth after PGA soak. Dry w/ hair drier sometimes. Sometimes in oven after 170F preheat; I turn off oven before putting dc inside.

Sometimes I suck it dry w/ shop vac; threaded end. My thinking is vac will suck diapers closer to coil.

I direct drip fill duallys.

 

[wyojoe]

Washvap is the person who posted picture earlier.

Usually I just blow out w/ mouth after PGA soak. Dry w/ hair drier sometimes. Sometimes in oven after 170F preheat; I turn off oven before putting dc inside.

Sometimes I suck it dry w/ shop vac; threaded end. My thinking is vac will suck diapers closer to coil.

I direct drip fill duallys.

Well I feel dumb (Washvap) LOL. Thanks for the information. That's a neat idea using the shop vac. and you would think, that it would suck the diaper closer to the wick.

 

[VapPornRules]

Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions -- this is a long thread!

I've recently started using a "Liquinator" (aka J-tank, Gummy Tank)

Basically its a carto sitting in a tank with slots cut in the bottom (you can cut the slots with a rotary tool i.e. Dremel).

Now many users have noted that the liquinator works EXTREMELY well at keeping the carto wet, but an equal number have noted that this is true only at the BOTTOM of the carto -- the top of the filler is often dry.

So my question is - which carto is ideal for this setup? It would seem to me that in a dual coil, the top coil could get dangerously dry. It's hard to get details (for me anyway) on the mechanics of these cartos on the websites.

It seems to me that a "bottom coil" or "horizontal coil" (are these terms interchangeable?) would be ideal. It seems like the Boge gold WAS bottom coil, but IKV does not seem to sell these anymore - and the gold V2 is now vertical coil? Are there any boge bottom coils out there? I'm thinking maybe the IKV STD IKV MEGA 510 STD - a "510 with 808 internals"?

One other note - its best to start with a carto with no sticker to avoid having the juice soaking into a sticky gluey carto exterior.

So where can I get a stainless bottom coil 510 carto to cut?

 

[washvap]

My guesstimates are:
Allow about an hour soak on new dc.
100% PG wicks quicker than 40% VG.
The diapers must be wet to avoid the burn.
Need to allow enough time between toots for diapers to re-wick.
5 volts may be pushing the edge; but I'd like to try.

That might be it since I usually only let it soak for about 30 min. before I start vaping. But, I usually alternate between 6-7 cartos during my vaping sessions when I'm at home or out and about.

Isn't dual coils powered by two 3. something ohm coils? Read that a lot of people like using them at that voltage and so I tried it and liked it. Not sure but when I use them at 3.7 volts. It doesn't seem to perform to well IMO

 

[emus]

That might be it since I usually only let it soak for about 30 min. before I start vaping. But, I usually alternate between 6-7 cartos during my vaping sessions when I'm at home or out and about.

Isn't dual coils powered by two 3. something ohm coils? Read that a lot of people like using them at that voltage and so I tried it and liked it. Not sure but when I use them at 3.7 volts. It doesn't seem to perform to well IMO

DC performs pretty good at 3.7v.
DC durability is very good at 3.7v.
DC kicks better at 4v.
Have not tried at 5v.

 

[washvap]

Hey all! Washvap - mine was real close to what you have their with the burnt - diapers/wraps/ ... fill in the blank What I did afterward was to soak all in the Galen's 151 proof vodka and the filler came out fairly white whereas the diaper was clearly burnt - blacker than what I see here - tiny hole....

I used it mainly on a SE Riva but had it on a Reo mod at one point - both 3.7v true.

I noticed that the filler wasn't to bad neither. It's just those diapers (shaking my fist in rage LOL) that were burnt. Wish I had kept it since I threw it in the trash right after I took the pic. The one I had was used alternatively with my ego batt and a 5v passhthrough. Really wanted to use it on my REO but it turned into "that" when I decided to dissect it. Although, I am planning on using one on a REO and seeing how long they last though.

Anyways, that's some surprising news about the ego-t atties. Haven't lost a single one yet but what is it about the gold band Riva messed up so many atties? And yeah, Cisco's are great with thicker juices. Only one I use when I'm vaping some good ol Gorilla Juice.

 

[washvap]

DC performs pretty good at 3.7v.
DC durability is very good at 3.7v.
DC kicks better at 4v.
Have not tried at 5v.

Hmm....now you just made me wanna try these out at 4v LOL. Gotta wait til I get my kgo battery to come in since it's supposedly runs at that voltage. Should really get a VV soon but yeah, you should definitely try it at 5v. It really does make a difference in performance since the warmth of the vapor is nice at that voltage and it brings out more flavor to tobacco juices at least. Read that some guy used his at 7v or something which I thought was kind of crazy. Don't think I'm ever gonna take it that far since 5v is warm enough for me.

EDIT: Just referring to the post that my coil was running dry. Honestly, don't have a clue on that but I did top it off every 10 hits or so. Flooded it a good amount of times too since I was trying not to burn anything.

 

[emus]

Hmm....now you just made me wanna try these out at 4v LOL. Gotta wait til I get my kgo battery to come in since it's supposedly runs at that voltage. Should really get a VV soon but yeah, you should definitely try it at 5v. It really does make a difference in performance since the warmth of the vapor is nice at that voltage and it brings out more flavor to tobacco juices at least. Read that some guy used his at 7v or something which I thought was kind of crazy. Don't think I'm ever gonna take it that far since 5v is warm enough for me.

I dissected my cracked tube DC and took diapers off. They looked good after a few weeks use. Just a slight brown mark near coil. They were vaped at 3.7v.

I have a DIY 5v PT that I can try once I order an adapter.

Some VV mods can't flow enough current to drive DC.

 

[Katya]

Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions -- this is a long thread!

Hi, Vap! You only need to read the last 100 pages or so...

I've recently started using a "Liquinator" (aka J-tank, Gummy Tank)

Basically its a carto sitting in a tank with slots cut in the bottom (you can cut the slots with a rotary tool i.e. Dremel).

Nice! Not for me--I like small PVs, but a great idea. There are so many people who love tanks. How do you like it so far?

Now many users have noted that the liquinator works EXTREMELY well at keeping the carto wet, but an equal number have noted that this is true only at the BOTTOM of the carto -- the top of the filler is often dry.

So my question is - which carto is ideal for this setup? It would seem to me that in a dual coil, the top coil could get dangerously dry. It's hard to get details (for me anyway) on the mechanics of these cartos on the websites.

No idea, but if this is the tank designed by Gummy Bear, I would ask him directly:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/192284-dear-gummy.html#post3316758

It seems to me that a "bottom coil" or "horizontal coil" (are these terms interchangeable?) would be ideal.

They are the same.

It seems like the Boge gold WAS bottom coil, but IKV does not seem to sell these anymore - and the gold V2 is now vertical coil?

I don't think the horizontal coil IKV (with brass-colored threading) 510 cartos were made by Boge; I'm pretty sure they were SLB cartos tweaked to Isaac's specifications. They were not very good and he ended up selling them for a dollar or so. I tried them once and really disliked them. They were overstuffed and the draw was very hard. They burned quickly.

The Gold V2 is the same as his drip-tip carto--vertical coil.

Are there any boge bottom coils out there? I'm thinking maybe the IKV STD IKV MEGA 510 STD - a "510 with 808 internals"?

Bogetech doesn't make any cartos with horizontal coil, AFAIK. But they make the best and most reliable 510 cartos, IMO. I always recommend them.

One other note - its best to start with a carto with no sticker to avoid having the juice soaking into a sticky gluey carto exterior.

The most important thing is to get the carto that will work best with your tank. Stickers can be removed easily by putting your cartos in the freezer for a while; maybe 1/2-1 hr; after that the sticker will come off without a struggle. Or you can just peel the sticker off and remove the adhesive with some lighter fluid (if you have any left ) or Goo-be-gone.

So where can I get a stainless bottom coil 510 carto to cut?

The only horizontal 510s I know of are the SLB cartos. They are still widely available, for instance here:

510 SLB SOFT CAP Blank Cartomizers

 

[Katya]

Hmm....now you just made me wanna try these out at 4v LOL. Gotta wait til I get my kgo battery to come in since it's supposedly runs at that voltage.

All Li-Ion batteries (unregulated) are 3.7v (up to 4.2v fresh off the charger, but only for a very short time). The running voltage is 3.7v.

Should really get a VV soon but yeah, you should definitely try it at 5v. It really does make a difference in performance since the warmth of the vapor is nice at that voltage and it brings out more flavor to tobacco juices at least. Read that some guy used his at 7v or something which I thought was kind of crazy. Don't think I'm ever gonna take it that far since 5v is warm enough for me.

Yeah, that's the thing with those DC cartos; even though they are listed at 1.6Ω, they vape no warmer than their two 3.2Ω coils. Basically, they drain your batteries like the LR cartos, but they don't deliver the LR warmth... The best description of this phenomenon is that it's like vaping two 3.2Ω cartos at the same time--plenty of vapor, not much warmth. That's why people like them better on higher voltages, which, unfortunately, drains the batteries even faster.

I get more warmth from a 2.0Ω or 2.5Ω Boge carto on my 3.7v batteries than from a 1.5Ω DC carto on the same voltage.

EDIT: Just referring to the post that my coil was running dry. Honestly, don't have a clue on that but I did top it off every 10 hits or so. Flooded it a good amount of times too since I was trying not to burn anything.

They do dry up fast. Are you using the clear ones? It might be worth getting a couple of clearos just to see what is happening inside. A real eye-opener!

 

[Katya]

I Like to fill the cartomizer with a syringe, but it sometimes sticks a little and moves the wicking material down and compresses the wicking material. I hope then, that it doesn't also maybe slip the diaper down some too, but so far have not had a problem. What do you mean by (washvap coil) and how do you dry it, now that you don't use compressed air?

Wyojoe, I agree with Emus; the DC cartos have very loose and porous filler and they don't need to be filled with a needle and syringe. You just have to be patient and make sure that filler is fully saturated befor you start vaping. They take a lot of ejuice.

The Boges, on the other hand, do much better when filled with a syringe, at least initially; they have a "cotton candy" type filler that tends to be woven rather densely. A sharp (18g) needle ensures that the ejuice gets distributed properly throughout the filler.

 

[VapPornRules]

Nice! Not for me--I like small PVs, but a great idea. There are so many people who love tanks. How do you like it so far?

It works fantastic - no leaking, very easy to fill, and hits like a freshly filled carto. Very easy to replace the carto when it burns out -and so far users have been reporting much extended carto life as its always wet.

I'd say the CE-2 based MAP tanks have more flavor, but loses on all the other factors.

No idea, but if this is the tank designed by Gummy Bear, I would ask him directly:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/192284-dear-gummy.html#post3316758

Sorry, I meant the mechanics of different brands of cartos are not well explained (i.e. "this is a vertical coil with loose filler", etc.)

Bogetech doesn't make any cartos with horizontal coil, AFAIK. But they make the best and most reliable 510 cartos, IMO. I always recommend them.

So what does IKV mean when he says the STD boges have "808 internals"? This is what I mean about the mechanics of cartos not being well described! Are most "standard" 808s horizontal coil?

The most important thing is to get the carto that will work best with your tank. Stickers can be removed easily by putting your cartos in the freezer for a while; maybe 1/2-1 hr; after that the sticker will come off without a struggle. Or you can just peel the sticker off and remove the adhesive with some lighter fluid (if you have any left ) or Goo-be-gone.

Agreed but would like to avoid if possible!

The only horizontal 510s I know of are the SLB cartos. They are still widely available, for instance here:

510 SLB SOFT CAP Blank Cartomizers

Many thanks Katya - this is a great thread and you are passing along much knowledge!

 

[VapPornRules]

OK I see the the 510 STD listed on IKV are not Boge

 

[wyojoe]

Wyojoe, I agree with Emus; the DC cartos have very loose and porous filler and they don't need to be filled with a needle and syringe. You just have to be patient and make sure that filler is fully saturated befor you start vaping. They take a lot of ejuice.

The Boges, on the other hand, do much better when filled with a syringe, at least initially; they have a "cotton candy" type filler that tends to be woven rather densely. A sharp (18g) needle ensures that the ejuice gets distributed properly throughout the filler.

Thanks for the information. Will just fill the DC with the bottle. And I have been using the syringe like you said in another post the Boges and that does work better.

 

[Katya]

Sorry, I meant the mechanics of different brands of cartos are not well explained (i.e. "this is a vertical coil with loose filler", etc.)

I know what you mean. If you need more in-depth information about Isaac's cartos, visit his subforum here on ECF. There you can find threads dedicated to discussion of each carto he carries or you can start your own thread and ask your own questions. Isaac and his "crew" will be happy to assist you. They are very nice and helpful.

IkenVape

So what does IKV mean when he says the STD boges have "808 internals"? This is what I mean about the mechanics of cartos not being well described! Are most "standard" 808s horizontal coil?

I believe that in this case, he means that they have a vertical coil.

However, the kr808 cartos come with both vertical (Kanger, Boge) and horizontal (Bloog, Volt, VaporSmiths, Halo's G6 etc.) coils.

 

[Katya]

OK I see the the 510 STD listed on IKV are not Boge

You can't really tell from his site who the manufacturer is--he doesn't disclose that information. Isaac works with several manufacturers and his cartos are made to his specifications.

 

[VapPornRules]

However, the kr808 cartos come with both vertical (Kanger, Boge) and horizontal (Bloog, Volt, Smith Vapor, Halo's G6 etc.) coils.

Yep, I've been poking around all day and think I'll skip the 510 and just try a Bloog (alot of interesting discussions on the Bloog back in Feb/March!). Curious to see if they will flood or (hopefully) hit like a champ!

Thanks again

 

[Katya]

If I were you, I'd get some Blooglike cartos from Smokeless Image (Volt) or Halo or VaporSmiths. Bloog charges $8 for shipping... Just sayin'...

We've been discussing those cartos here at length. You may want to look back to see some autopsy pictures and descriptions of performance. Last couple of months..or so.

Can't go wrong with Boge 510, though. IMHO. Just get them in correct resistance for your PV. I like 2.0Ω and 2.5Ω on 3.7v; 3.0Ω for higher voltages.