Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[VapPornRules]

We've been discussing hose cartos here at length. You may want to look back to see some autopsy pictures and descriptions of performance. Last couple of months..or so.

I hear you -- I read those threads! I'm just curious as to how the liquinators will pair with a bottom coil.

I assumed, however, that maybe those problems were fixed (guess not) by Leaford! If not, might as well go for the eastmall brand which apparently is the same www.EastMall.net Eastmall International Co.,Ltd!!!

Another question for you...have you figured out why people are raving so much about the 801 fusion? I saw one of your posts and it duplicated what I was thinking -- why would I ever buy an 801 carto? I mean, he advertises it as a 501 "fusion" with an 801 thread - so why not just cut out the middleman!

Seems like too much hype and too little understanding of how these things work -- I can't wait for the 510 fusion!

 

[Katya]

Well, you read my post... Thank for the like! I expressed my thoughts there. I tried both his Fusion and the Premium Platinum cartomizers and I don't quite understand the raves myself. The fusions are fine if you're using 801 batteries, but they make no sense for 510 users. I love Premium Platinums, BTW. The most versatile cartomizer on the market.

 

[washvap]

I dissected my cracked tube DC and took diapers off. They looked good after a few weeks use. Just a slight brown mark near coil. They were vaped at 3.7v.

I have a DIY 5v PT that I can try once I order an adapter.

Some VV mods can't flow enough current to drive DC.

Guess I might have gotten a lemon or something and that kind of sucks. Really wanted to try the DC on a VV whenever I saved enough funds to get one. Let me know how you like them on your pt when the adapter comes in. Wanna know what you think about it.

All Li-Ion batteries (unregulated) are 3.7v (up to 4.2v fresh off the charger, but only for a very short time). The running voltage is 3.7v.

That sucks. Read that somebody said they were 4v or something. Oh well, I guess it's a step up from my 3.4v ego batts

Yeah, that's the thing with those DC cartos; even though they are listed at 1.6Ω, they vape no warmer than their two 3.2Ω coils. Basically, they drain your batteries like the LR cartos, but they don't deliver the LR warmth... The best description of this phenomenon is that it's like vaping two 3.2Ω cartos at the same time--plenty of vapor, not much warmth. That's why people like them better on higher voltages, which, unfortunately, drains the batteries even faster.

I get more warmth from a 2.0Ω or 2.5Ω Boge carto on my 3.7v batteries than from a 1.5Ω DC carto on the same voltage.

That's what I read also and the DC's are seeming like they're all hype right now. From trying various types of cartos lately. My favorites are turning out to be IKV LR KR808's, Boge 2.0, and those smoketech 1.7 mega cartos ("Resurrectors" from CCV. Just ordered some IKV gold V2's and waiting to see how I like them.

Anyways, I'm in the same boat with the people that like them at higher voltages. But, I don't think I gotta worry about battery life since the only 5v pv I got is the passthrough. Although, when I finish these DC's off. I'm gonna get the 3 ohm boge's since I'm starting to become a real fan boge cartos in general. Oh yeah, the Volt cartos perform like champs at 5V, you might wanna give them a try yourself.



They do dry up fast. Are you using the clear ones? It might be worth getting a couple of clearos just to see what is happening inside. A real eye-opener!

I know what you mean. The pic I took is actually a 808 clear dual coil. Have a few of them left so, it's kind of good to see how nasty it really gets inside of cartos after a few ml's. Starting to question whether getting all these cartos were a good choice in the first place. Might not have the best effects on ones health in the long run.

 

[Katya]

Guess I might have gotten a lemon or something and that kind of sucks. Really wanted to try the DC on a VV whenever I saved enough funds to get one. Let me know how you like them on your pt when the adapter comes in. Wanna know what you think about it.

They are very inconsistent still, in my experience, at least.

That sucks. Read that somebody said they were 4v or something. Oh well, I guess it's a step up from my 3.4v ego batts

It is. So are the new Rivas--also unregulated 3.7v. I get mine from Liberty Flights for like 11 bucks.

That's what I read also and the DC's are seeming like they're all hype right now. From trying various types of cartos lately. My favorites are turning out to be IKV LR KR808's, Boge 2.0, and those smoketech 1.7 mega cartos ("Resurrectors" from CCV. Just ordered some IKV gold V2's and waiting to see how I like them.

Never tried IKV LR kr808s, his standard DT kr808s were fair, but nothing to write home about. Please let us know how you like them.

Anyways, I'm in the same boat with the people that like them at higher voltages. But, I don't think I gotta worry about battery life since the only 5v pv I got is the passthrough. Although, when I finish these DC's off. I'm gonna get the 3 ohm boge's since I'm starting to become a real fan boge cartos in general. Oh yeah, the Volt cartos perform like champs at 5V, you might wanna give them a try yourself.

I tried the Volts and I liked them, but I don't care for that silicone o-ring and the adhesive. But I agree that they are nice cartos.

Now, if your PT is kr808--it must be, the 510 PTs are 3.3v or so--why don't you try some HR kr808 Boge cartos. No adapter needed and a safer vape on 5v.

https://www.vaporsetc.com/vapordefaultdetail.asp?detailid=PA1085&detname=BOGE KR808D-1 HR Cartomizers White

If you're there, you may want to get a sampler of his juices; they are very clean and good and inexpensive. I really like his Vanilla Tobacco.

I know what you mean. The pic I took is actually a 808 clear dual coil. Have a few of them left so, it's kind of good to see how nasty it really gets inside of cartos after a few ml's. Starting to question whether getting all these cartos were a good choice in the first place. Might not have the best effects on ones health in the long run.

Who knows. I believe that they are a much healthier alternative to smoking. I use cartomizers and T-atties; I discard my cartos after 5 or 6 ml of ejuice, I keep my atties clean. I also use snus and dissolvable tobacco (Ariva and Stonewalls). Anything that keeps me away from the real thing.

I'm also very optimistic about the future of vaping. Things are improving and I believe that a "new and improved" PV is just around the corner. In the meantime, we just have to be careful and stay informed.

 

[washvap]

They are very inconsistent still, in my experience, at least.

Seems like it. Some people really like them and is one of the reasons why I got a few packs but, IMO the boge lr 2.0, IKV LR808, and resurrectors simply outperforms the DC by a solid mile

It is. So are the new Rivas--also unregulated 3.7v. I get mine from Liberty Flights for like 11 bucks.

That's good to know. Never tried any other ones besides the ego-t batts that I had. Was actually thinking about getting a Riva SE batt just to try out. Now, I'm probably going to end up buying one since that is a great deal. Thanks

Never tried IKV LR kr808s, his standard DT kr808s were fair, but nothing to write home about. Please let us know how you like them.

You should give a couple of them a try. I liked them so much that I have about 15 of them now. The vapor, TH, and the taste that I get is nice. I can hardly taste the filler compared to the others I've tried.

Anyways, I'll definitely let you know how I like the Gold V2's. They should be here any day now.

I tried the Volts and I liked them, but I don't care for that silicone o-ring and the adhesive. But I agree that they are nice cartos.


Now, if your PT is kr808--it must be, the 510 PTs are 3.3v or so--why don't you try some HR kr808 Boge cartos. No adapter needed and a safer vape on 5v.

https://www.vaporsetc.com/vapordefaultdetail.asp?detailid=PA1085&detname=BOGE KR808D-1 HR Cartomizers White

If you're there, you may want to get a sampler of his juices; they are very clean and good and inexpensive. I really like his Vanilla Tobacco.

Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I'm definitely going to give those a shot as well as the juice. Honestly, have never heard of that vendor before but, I'm always looking for good vendors to try out.

I have both the 808 and 510 passthroughs that are supposedly 5v. Although, the 808 is an automatic which kind of sucks. But, I do have and 808-510 adapter though.[/COLOR]

Who knows. I believe that they are a much healthier alternative to smoking. I use cartomizers and T-atties; I discard my cartos after 5 or 6 ml of ejuice, I keep my atties clean. I also use snus and dissolvable tobacco (Ariva and Stonewalls). Anything that keeps me away from the real thing.

I'm also very optimistic about the future of vaping. Things are improving and I believe that a "new and improved" PV is just around the corner. In the meantime, we just have to be careful and stay informed.

LOL, that's true. I'm starting to do that too with the dual coils in general. I've been cleaning and re-using the others just to save some money. But, I'm probably going to start throwing all them out except for my volt cartos. Since I've already seen what happens on the inside from using the clear dual coils.

And I agree. I hope that they come up with something that will cut down some of these risks that us vapers have been taking with all our equipment and some of the ingredients found in e-liquids. Even though, I love my ego-t type b atties. I really hope that they improve on the T-atties and G4 type cartos. I think that will be the answer in the future since they don't seem to have much risks to them besides the plastic.

Really got to mention that I'm really glad that I've found this thread since I didn't really have a clue on the improvements made on cartos from two years ago or so until now. Also, wasn't really sure about the dangers that are involved with using them neither.

 

[Alžběta Madragana]

Hmm.... Read that some guy used his at 7v or something which I thought was kind of crazy. .

LOL that was me! It was 7,4 volts using 2.6 & 3 OHM cartos.
I gave that up pretty quick - the TH was too much. 4,8 Volts is more the way I roll these days, although I do some 6 Volts on occasion.

 

[Alžběta Madragana]

I discard my cartos after 5 or 6 ml of ejuice, .

My word. I must be a vaping fool then. I put 4 to 5 ML of juice thru my cartos each day..... *takes another toke as types this*...

 

[br5495]

My word. I must be a vaping fool then. I put 4 to 5 ML of juice thru my cartos each day..... *takes another toke as types this*...

I consume 6ml or more each day on slightly less than 3 watts of power. I wish someone would begin manufacturing a cartomizer that could do this so I wouldn't have to build my own.

 

[emus]

Seems like it. Some people really like them and is one of the reasons why I got a few packs but, IMO the boge lr 2.0, IKV LR808, and resurrectors simply outperforms the DC by a solid mile

I've experienced good performance from Madvapes DC at 3.7v.
Diapers not burnt after weeks use.
DC vapor production is medium; tweaked gotvapes CE2 5 has excellent vapor production.
DC is battery hog.

Can you expand on your experience w/ boge 2ohm, IKV and resurrectors?
Where you bought them?
Do they burn?
Is vapor production excellent?

 

[wyojoe]

I've experienced good performance from Madvapes DC at 3.7v.
Diapers not burnt after weeks use.
DC vapor production is medium; tweaked gotvapes CE2 5 has excellent vapor production.
DC is battery hog.

Can you expand on your experience w/ boge 2ohm, IKV and resurrectors?
Where you bought them?
Do they burn?
Is vapor production excellent?

My experience, and I also think that ANY cartomizer that has a coil (1 or 2 of 3) with wicking or filler material and diaper will burn, period. If you use it until the performance drops it will have signs of burning, some faster than others, but they all burn. The only way to keep them going for me is to fill them when they don't really need it so keeping them wet all the time and vaping a few times then let it set and vape on another set up for a few puffs then switch again and let the 2nd one rest a little. I vape all the time and enjoy it. The CE2's work alot better but, takes more work to keep them working good, and I think they are worth the extra messing around. Tried TANKS and was disappointing, and to dang expensive for no longer than they worked. Now I can tell from your post that you have been around the block yourself, so you know alot of this already. I just thought I would throw out my 2 cents worth.
Hoping some day soon they can make a cartomizers that you can fill and vapes good, that is clean like a CE2,cheap and lasted for a few milliliters of fluid without messing with them, and the G4's are not it either.

 

[Alžběta Madragana]

I'm with wyojoe here - diaper & wad cartos burn regardless. Longest I had one last was for a month, and after that, everything else BURNED or DIED within a few vapes on up to 4 days worth of vaping. And I generally run about 3 cartos at the same time. The 1-month one was a FLUKE, I believe. We'll probably never see anything like that in our lifetime again, LOL.
I really dig CE-2 cartos, and am in the process of 'burning' the rest of my diaper & wad ones now.. You might want to consider higher OHMs - they - in my experience - generally last a day or so longer than the lower ones. 3 OHMs last longest for me. Anything less doesn't..

 

[emus]

I've been using mostly DC at 3.7v for 2 months and have lost 2 so far.
Perhaps the lower voltage is more forgiving.

 

[wyojoe]

I've been using mostly DC at 3.7v for 2 months and have lost 2 so far.
Perhaps the lower voltage is more forgiving.

I have been using DC at 3.7 to 4.2 volts and they are shot after 1 week. How many are you filling and vaping in rotation?? If I ever got 2 weeks out of a cart'o I would be happy,happy. What is your secret, do you clean them often during that time, and how much juice do you use in a day?? Thanks

 

[emus]

I have been using DC at 3.7 to 4.2 volts and they are shot after 1 week. How many are you filling and vaping in rotation?? If I ever got 2 weeks out of a cart'o I would be happy,happy. What is your secret, do you clean them often during that time, and how much juice do you use in a day?? Thanks

I don't know any secrets.

I keep 5 in rotation and I go though a boat load of juice w/ these DCs. They are very thirsty. Went from 3ml a day w/ atty to way more w/ DC. I think I'm using way over 6ml a day.

I use mostly atty friendly juices. Clean if performance declines. Mostly thin PG liquids. I top off early.

Approx 5 to 6 second toots.

What failures are you having?

What's your DC style?

 

[wyojoe]

I don't know any secrets.

I keep 5 in rotation and I go though a boat load of juice w/ these DCs. They are very thirsty. Went from 3ml a day w/ atty to way more w/ DC. I think I'm using way over 6ml a day.

I use mostly atty friendly juices. Clean if performance declines. Mostly thin PG liquids. I top off early.

Approx 5 to 6 second toots.

What failures are you having?

What's your DC style?

Thanks for the reply. One of them that I use is a clear DC 1.5 ohm and use just 2 in rotation. Go through about 5ml per day. 70/30 pg/vg, 4 second toots and the failure is burned diaper and wicking material after a few days, mostly not longer that 4 days. Like I said I have never had a cartomizer that did not burn that had wicking material in it. I do try to keep them moist, and that means filling alot more often than I would like. I top off about every hour or less, if I am just using just one carto. With standart Boge carto's doesn't last that long. Maybe I need to put more carto's in rotation and let them rest longer???

 

[emus]

Thanks for the reply. One of them that I use is a clear DC 1.5 ohm and use just 2 in rotation. Go through about 5ml per day. 70/30 pg/vg, 4 second toots and the failure is burned diaper and wicking material after a few days, mostly not longer that 4 days. Like I said I have never had a cartomizer that did not burn that had wicking material in it. I do try to keep them moist, and that means filling alot more often than I would like. I top off about every hour or less, if I am just using just one carto. With standart Boge carto's doesn't last that long. Maybe I need to put more carto's in rotation and let them rest longer???

I have 5 in rotation but two are special dark juices that don't get much vape time.
2 get heavy use and I use clean burning liquid in those.

One difference I notice is I use thinner 100% PG in the work horse duallys.
You are using thicker 70/30 blend which I like but it does not wick as fast.

One failed because I broke it in pocket. It was the one in the picture that broke at a later date. The diapers have a small tan mark about 1/8" long; looks minor to me. If I get motivated I'll take a pic of the diaper.

How burnt are yours?

 

[washvap]

LOL that was me! It was 7,4 volts using 2.6 & 3 OHM cartos.
I gave that up pretty quick - the TH was too much. 4,8 Volts is more the way I roll these days, although I do some 6 Volts on occasion.

LOL, I bet. The highest I ever go on my 1.5 DC is 5v. I read another person that used the 1.5 DC at 8v I believe. Just to show how they won't burn "supposedly".

I've experienced good performance from Madvapes DC at 3.7v.
Diapers not burnt after weeks use.
DC vapor production is medium; tweaked gotvapes CE2 5 has excellent vapor production.
DC is battery hog.

Can you expand on your experience w/ boge 2ohm, IKV and resurrectors?
Where you bought them?
Do they burn?
Is vapor production excellent?

I'm glad that you've had no problems with your dual coils. I wished that I could say the same but as you have seen. It wasn't the case and I kept that particular DC filled and wet. Wasted a good amount of juice as well before I finally decided to dissect it and toss it away. But, I agree that the vapor production that I got was sub-par compared to my other cartos.

Anyways, yeah I can definitely go more in depth with my experience with boge LR 2.0, IKV 808, and resurrectors

1. Boge LR 2.0 from CCV:

*Very easy draw. Also, it's kind of airy which is nice because I really don't like the tight draw that I get from, lets say DC
*Taste is fairly nice but not as good as other cartomizers I've tried
*Capacity of juice that it can take is comparable to others in the same size such as bloog/volt cartos.
*As for vapor production, it's one of the best I've used on 3.7v. More than a DC 0n 3.7v or even the Volt carto that gives a nice plume of vapor. When I compare it to a DC that I put on 5v than it's harder to distinguish the two.
*TH is very nice. IMO it's more than a DC, volt, and IKV808 on 3.7 v
*I have had one that was burnt after about 5 days. I would suspect the same from all vertical coil cartomizers because the diaper material around the coil. Even when I topped it off every 10 hits or so or when I see that the top is looking a little dry.

2. IKV Mega LR KR808 from ikenvapes:

*The draw can be compared to the Volt. It's a little tight which means that you have to take a slower draw to get the vapor that's needed. Though, it's still not as tight as a DC which I find is the tightest draw out of all of them.
*Taste is VERY nice. Just about the same as what I get from the Volt cartos. Which means that I barely taste the filler and more of the juice itself. Better than the DC, Boge, and resurrectors.
*Out of all the cartomizers that I have used. These hold the most juice at 55 drops + (not the greatest measuring tool but it's a little over 2 mils. I can squeeze 2.5 in there but usually don't since I use them on my automatic echo battery)
* Vapor production is excellent. Way more than the Dual Coil, volt, and a little more than the boge cartos.
*TH is pretty good. The vaper is a little cooler than the DC, boge, and resurrectors.
*Out of all the cartos I have used thus far, I haven't had a single one of these that were burnt. I have had one die on me after about a week. This is probably due to the fact that these have horizontal coils. Which makes sense since these are basically the XL LR version of the Volt cartos.

3. Resurrectors from CCV:

*The draw is the same as a Boge
*Taste is pretty good. Some juices can get a little muted because of the extra heat that these produce but it's about the same as the other vertical coil cartos I've used such as the DC and boge.
*Vapor production is a little more than the Boge and about the same as the IKV LR 808
*TH is where this carto shine. Better than all of the other coils along with the heat that I get from them. This is somewhat similar to the TH that I got from a cig.
* As for burning, honestly haven't used these enough to find out. Still on the first carto and won't dissect it for a little bit. It's been about a week already without any signs of slowing down.

 

[Katya]

My word. I must be a vaping fool then. I put 4 to 5 ML of juice thru my cartos each day..... *takes another toke as types this*...

Hello, stranger!

Yeah, I know... You're soooo bad!

 

[Katya]

I consume 6ml or more each day on slightly less than 3 watts of power. I wish someone would begin manufacturing a cartomizer that could do this so I wouldn't have to build my own.

The line starts over there, cowboy!

You're right behind me; seniority, you know.

How are you guys coping with all that heat down there in Texas? It sounds brutal...

 

[Katya]

Anyways, yeah I can definitely go more in depth with my experience with boge LR 2.0, IKV 808, and resurrectors

Fantastic review, Washvap! Thank you so much! Now I'm tempted to give those Mega LR a try, even though I generally try to avoid big cartos....

Can't wait for your autopsy results of the Resurrectors (why does that sound funny????)

Thanks again! Great work!