Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[CES]

Congratulations Wyojoe!

 

[CES]

I wouldn't know what to do in the light of day. Why don't you come down here and visit a spell? I'll leave a light on for you.

I'll be right down

 

[tiburonfirst]

as to price - with current exchange rates this should be about 100 bucks plus shipping ....

warning - since i'm not all that familiar with the genisis some of the terms and translations might have escaped me

Genisis LV - Der Selbstwickler der Extraklasse von Electra Pipes
the selfwrapper of exceptional quality by electra pipes - selfwrapping here refers to you doing the wrapping

Lang begehrt aber bis heute nicht im Handel erhältlich:
Der Genisis Verdampfer ist ein Selbstwickelverdampfer der keine Glasfaser benötigt.
long awaited but, up till now, not commercially available
the genisis pv is a selfwrapping pv without the need for glass fibers

Vorbei sind die Zeiten der kokelnden oder defekten Verdampfer.
Sie wickeln diesen Verdampfer nach Ihrem Geschmack. Gesteuert wird dies durch die Anzahl der Wicklungen und der Drahtstärke.
gone are the days of the misfiring or defective pv.
you will wrap this pv according to your own taste. this is achieved by variation of the number of wraps and wire thickness.



Funktion:
Es handelt sich um einen Tankverdampfer aus Edelstahl. Oben im Mittelteil des Verdampfers befindet sich ein 1,5 ml großer Glastank in Form eines Glasfläschchens, was unkompliziertes Befüllen ermöglicht.
function
this is a stainless steel tank pv. in the pv's upper part of the middle piece you'll find a 1.5ml glass tank in the form of a glass bottle which allows easy filling.

In diesen ragt eine Edelstahlsiebrolle, die für den Transport des Liquids zuständig ist.
Diese ist zwischen zwei Bolzen im Unterteil arretiert und mit einer Wicklung aus Widerstandsdraht versehen.
this contains a stainless steel sieve roll which will transport the liquid. this sieve is fastened by 2 pins, screws in the lower part and wrapped with a resistance wire.

Mit der Anzahl der Windungen des Widerstandsdrahtes und seinem Querschnitt bestimmen Sie das Dampfverhalten und den Flash.
Sie benötigen Edelstahlsieb und Widerstandsdraht um den Genisis in Betrieb zu nehmen.
the number of wraps and diameter of the resistance wire will control the vapor production and its flash.
you will need the stainless sieve (i believe this is called stainless steel wire mesh in the mod forum, lol) and resistance wire to operate the genisis.

Technische Daten des Verdampfers:
specs

verdampfer nach dem Genisis-Prinzip
pv based on genisis
- 510 Anschluss
510 connection
- Glastank 1,5 ml
glass tank 1.5ml
- Durchmesser 18 mm
diameter 18mm
- Länge ohne Mundstück 65 mm
length without mouth piece 65mm
- Länge mit Mundstück 92 mm
with mouth piece 95mm
- Garantie (Bring In) 3 Jahre
warranty 3 yrs

Was brauche ich noch zusätzlich?
- Edelstahlsieb
- Kanthal Draht 0,16mm oder 0,20mm
what do i need to buy separately?
stainless steel mesh
kanthal wire at 0.16mm or 0.20mm

Wann werde ich den Genisis erhalten?
Vorraussichtlich in der letzten Februarwoche werden die Genisis Verdampfer ausgeliefert!
when can i expect delivery?
we anticipate delivery by the end of february 2012

Achtung Presale - Der Genisis wird erst vorraussichtlich Ende Februar ausgeliefert! Bitte nicht mit anderen Artikeln gemeinsam bestellen. Wenn sie den Genisis mit anderen Produkten gemeinsam ordern werden diese zusammen mit dem Genisis im Februar ausgeliefert.
attention - presale!
do not order the genisis with other items or all will be delayed until the end of february

Ab jetzt können sie den Genisis zum Normalpreis vorbestellen.
as of now you may order the genisis at the above-quoted price

by now, i am sure, all who are familiar with the genisis realize my translation above has to be changed from pv to atty!
i need to do a little more research to see what justifies this price for an atty. i know dspin has a genisis and swears by it ....

 

[wfx]

as to price - with current exchange rates this should be about 100 bucks plus shipping ....

warning - since i'm not all that familiar with the genisis some of the terms and translations might have escaped me
..
by now, i am sure, all who are familiar with the genisis realize my translation above has to be changed from pv to atty!
i need to do a little more research to see what justifies this price for an atty. i know dspin has a genisis and swears by it ....

many thanks tiburon. as you know, this design is cutting edge but it's large and expensive. with the glass (non-reactive) tank and 3 year warranty (wow) it may be worth it to many. but i think the other genesis modders are improving substantially on the original design.

if you think this concept is cool, hold on to your hats. our friend raidy and others have some stuff that will blow this out of the water. will be interesting to see how the market plays out this year.

 

[wyojoe]

wyojoe!! It's great that you've quit cigs for this long and wish you many more years of success!!

THANKS, it been a good year, no more stinky clothes and able to smoke in the house and car, without bothering anyone. And way more healthy to vape. Its been frustrating and fun trying new stuff during that time.

 

[CES]

So, I decided to go ahead and dissect the carto (single coil 2.7Ohm from vapor age) that I'd been using in the 5 ml gummy tank on a 4V box mod. I've run over 20 ml through it- way over 20 ml. i used only clear juices, 90-100% PG.

it wasn't an easy dissection, so I didn't actually get the coil out intact, but the woven wrap along with the diaper makes me think it was a bottom coil carto. In any case, there's no discoloration of the polyfill at all. Some scorching of the diaper (the hole in the diaper got a bit bigger when i rinsed it). But all in all it looks way better than i ever expected it would considering how much juice i ran through it.

 

[washvap]

THANKS, it been a good year, no more stinky clothes and able to smoke in the house and car, without bothering anyone. And way more healthy to vape. Its been frustrating and fun trying new stuff during that time.

No problem bro and I know exactly what your talking about. Finally got used to smoking in the house instead of facing the cold breeze of winter. It's nice not getting rained on neither and won't be missing any of that.

There's going to be plenty of more stuff to try out in the future. Seems like there's a new carto, mod, or whatever coming out every few months. It's going to be interesting to see what's coming out in 2012.

 

[washvap]

Wow, it really doesn't look to bad after going through 20ml. Expected it to be worse honestly. Did you notice any decreases in performance before you decided to dissect it? Interested, since sometimes it's hard to tell and I dissect it out of pure curiousity. I plan on dissecting one of my cartos too after awhile. Interested in what I can find too.

Thanks for the pics. How do you like the Gummy Tank so far. Thinking about getting one soon after I get the appropriate mod. Only thing I have now is the Madvapes VV box mod and a Chibi tank.

So, I decided to go ahead and dissect the carto (single coil 2.7Ohm from vapor age) that I'd been using in the 5 ml gummy tank on a 4V box mod. I've run over 20 ml through it- way over 20 ml. i used only clear juices, 90-100% PG.

it wasn't an easy dissection, so I didn't actually get the coil out intact, but the woven wrap along with the diaper makes me think it was a bottom coil carto. In any case, there's no discoloration of the polyfill at all. Some scorching of the diaper (the hole in the diaper got a bit bigger when i rinsed it). But all in all it looks way better than i ever expected it would considering how much juice i ran through it.

 

[Katya]

Don't feel overlooked, there is alot of things I don't understand on the ECF or how to do some of the things that others do here. I do try to learn what I can. THANK you for the mention though. I am just trying to half way keep up, I sometimes feel like technology is running away from me and I can't run fast enough to keep up. LOL

Join the club, Wyojoe!

I've been here for two years and I'm still discovering things....

The title looks good on you!

 

[Katya]

i know dspin has a genisis and swears by it ....

WOW, Tibs... I'm impressed!

How on earth did you know what a verdampfer is???

I think Quick has a genisis, also.

 

[Katya]

So, I decided to go ahead and dissect the carto (single coil 2.7Ohm from vapor age) that I'd been using in the 5 ml gummy tank on a 4V box mod. I've run over 20 ml through it- way over 20 ml. i used only clear juices, 90-100% PG.

it wasn't an easy dissection, so I didn't actually get the coil out intact, but the woven wrap along with the diaper makes me think it was a bottom coil carto. In any case, there's no discoloration of the polyfill at all. Some scorching of the diaper (the hole in the diaper got a bit bigger when i rinsed it). But all in all it looks way better than i ever expected it would considering how much juice i ran through it.

Nice work, CES! Thanks for sharing with us! Very telling, indeed!

First of all, that carto looks very much like a SR Boge--my favorite carto ATM.

Secondly, you have finally provided proof that cartos are disposable, were meant to be disposable, and no matter how wet they are kept, that blasted diaper will begin to burn and disintegrate. That makes me actually very happy, because I have always believed it to be the case. I read testimonials on ECF from people who claim to be using the same carto for weeks and months...

This is exactly what my Boges look like after ~10 ml, sans tank (with a clear, clean ejuice). And I vape them just a tad hotter; 6.3 Watts vs yours 5.9 Watts.... So we may conclude that tanks double the lifespan of a carto! Impressive.

I looked at Gummy's tanks again and realized that he only makes large ones--5 and 8 ml. Which means I would have to get a box mod... However, I don't think I'll be buying any box mods anytime soon:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oding-mods-current-situation.html#post5146201

Please make sure your Altoid box mod is safe. I don't want you vaping a pipe bomb!

It is awfully cute, though!

 

[CES]

Yeah I saw that. There's always something In all seriousness i hope the individual is ultimately ok, and that we learn what happened so that it doesn't happen to anyone else. very scary. My box isn't sealed, so it's more likely to vent in a in a worst case scenario. but i may add a vent hole anyway. The batteries are Ni-MH which (according to Battery university http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/Nickel_based_batteries and Roly http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html) are reasonably safe

The mino reo has a bit more protection, since the spring will collapse and interrupt the circuit if there is a short (and of course one doesn't need a tank with it)

I'm rethinking whether my carto was a bottom coil. I'm starting to think not. It probably was the equivalent of a boge SR. The poly fill was much thinner and loser than the current boges that i have and the carto had a "K" engraved in it (that i didn't even try to photo). Overall I was impressed at how well this one performed. We'll see what happens with the dual coil i have on it now. But basically all cartos are ultimately disposable, but keeping them uniformly wet extends the lifespan.

 

[tiburonfirst]

WOW, Tibs... I'm impressed!

How on earth did you know what a verdampfer is???

I think Quick has a genisis, also.

i didn't i originally assumed ''verdampfer'' was the equivalent of our ''pv'' until it dawned on me, towards the end of the translation, that the genisis is only an atty ........ all languages evolve and it's been a loooong time since i hung out in germany

btw - hoping for some input from our battery experts but i was under the impression that the latest battery mishap involved stacked batteries - prodigy v3 - and wonder if there is a difference between stacked and wired in series as in box mods.....

 

[Quick1]

I think Quick has a genisis, also.

...5 actually . Pretty much all I use. I have CE2's for emergency backup if a Genisis might need repair away from the house.
(2) from Peaceoffcake -- Genisis attys, not the hybrid
(1) from Scubabatdan -- not assembled yet (still thinking how I want to do the wiring)
(2) from Tai Pan's co-op -- GenisisLV, in service

btw - hoping for some input from our battery experts but i was under the impression that the latest battery mishap involved stacked batteries - prodigy v3 - and wonder if there is a difference between stacked and wired in series as in box mods.....

No difference. Stacked is "in series". The term "stacked" comes from the visualisation of 2 or more batteries in a single vertical tube. The important safety consideration in this configuration is that for protection to be most effective it must be applied to each cell. In other words each cell should be protected as opposed to having a single protection circuit for the whole tube (or battery circuit). Individual cells can be in different states/condition, discharge/charge at different rates, fail individually etc. So the parameters for the entire circuit can still be within operating specs while a single cell has a catastrophic failure. Most people don't use protected 3v cells as they are hard to find. When I was doing 6v (2 x 3.2v regulated cells) I could only find one that was protected (Surefire? -- it was an unbranded wrapper and the circuits would trip if I used anything under 3Ω cartos/attys).

Got a link to the latest mishap? I'd be interested in reading that.

 

[tiburonfirst]

since in both cases the volts get added i thought so but wasn't sure ......

if nobody else has the link i'll go looking for it a little later. the incident was described in the subforum of the prodigy maker ...

 

[tiburonfirst]

found it

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/79545-so-discussion-exploding-batteries.html

this thread has been closed and might get deleted ....

 

[Katya]

Thanks, Tibs. Still there; read it and wept...

I'm sticking with my eGos and Rivas for the time being. They've been working just fine for me and I've never had a need to vape at 12 Watts.

However, mods are for people who know what they are doing. Nothing is foolproof, especially when it comes to electrical devices. I agree with Roly that more information and clear warnings should be provided by the vendors.

 

[tiburonfirst]

one thing though, vv is a very nice thing to have ....... and i have not ventured to the high voltage settings. i believe i'm in the 4 to 3v range but just a tiny twist in that range can bring out the best in a carto.

 

[Katya]

What VV device do you have, Tibs?

I looked at the VV eGos and Rivas, but they are more "adjust a voltage devices." You can dial it down, but the top voltage doesn't exceed 3.8/3.9 volts, judging from the tests I've seen. I get similar voltage from the new (unregulated) Rivas.

 

[tiburonfirst]

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