Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

All right, then, Lorikay (and Yankee), do you believe this statement to be true?

Originally Posted by sheep
I think that the new M601/602 Cartomizers will fit the RN4081. From what I understand the M601/2 batteries are compatible with the 4081. I've heard that the smokestik cartos are actually the Smoore M601 cartomizers.

 

[kemuri]

All right, then, Lorikay (and Yankee), do you believe this statement to be true?

Originally Posted by sheep
I think that the new M601/602 Cartomizers will fit the RN4081. From what I understand the M601/2 batteries are compatible with the 4081. I've heard that the smokestik cartos are actually the Smoore M601 cartomizers.

Not really false as far as fit (interchangeability) but it's not an exact fit. To quote myself from the RN4081 thread:

Only one way to find out for sure is to email absolutelyecigs.com (Smoore's retail site) whether smokestik carries real M601/2's. If they do, it's should be different from the 4081.

The 4081 batt threads are a little too big for the M602 cartos. I made a nicobox using 4081 batt connector and am currently test vaping the M602 carto, which is delicious and hardy, btw. I'm on the 5th day I believe. Refilling the M is as easy as with the 808's. And yes, I have the real thing (M602 carto)--I asked and got confirmation from Smoore re where I got the M602 carto.

The depth of the 4081 batt.connector is ok so the positive posts will make contact but the carto will wobble because the 4081 threads are a little too big. What I did was wrap that white thin plumber's tape a few times around the M carto and twisted it in carefully. Enough of the plumber's tape will shred to make negative contact, and you get lift off.

I've tried the 808 and the Greencig. Those models are convenient. The Smoore M602 is convenient AND tasty, as you would expect from the maker of the M401.

 

[Katya]

Kemuri, you're golden.

Does this mean that we have yet another cartomizer to be tested?

Questions: do I need to get a whole kit to try those cartomizers or will they work (temporarily) with some kind of an adapter (like to kr808 or 510)? I'll check the website, I know nothing of their batteries.

How about the burning? Have you taken one apart yet?

Thanks for your response.

 

[Katya]

And what is this look-alike?

Teslair. Cartomizers

Another clone? I give up. These things are everywhere. They just keep sprouting like mushrooms...

If you look carefully at Teslair's battery... you'll see Smokestik battery? Maybe? Am I seeing things?

 

[kemuri]

Does this mean that we have yet another cartomizer to be tested?

Yep, unless someone goes ahead and does it before me--and they'd be most welcome to do so.

Funny thing is, if I didn't really like the M601 carto, I would've autopsied it on the second day. But dang it, it's almost like I'm vaping the M401 and that's really amazing, considering the entirely different construction from this M carto and the older, skinnier brother with the standard 3 part construction. The M401 has a denser, more concentrated vape but there's enough family resemblance that you know they're from the same clan. <do NOT cue in banjo music here>.

Day 5 and there's been no weakening and no burnt taste on this M carto. Unless Smoore actually does decide to make an M401 cartomizer, I'm pretty sure this M601 carto will be what I'll be using as my go-to carto, bar none.

This is even if there happens to be charred inner "paper" wrapper and charred surrounding fluval-thingie. I'll live with it by making sure it really does stay wet to minimize the burns.

M601 is a dual system, in that the ecig is designed to go with standard cartridges or the cartos. M601 as a cartridge system is very tasty as well, but that's no surprise.

The M602 would be the manual battery I believe. The M601 auto battery ain't bad, though I'm wishing that it would hurry up and die so I can scavenge the battery connection to make a proper M602 nicobox. I already wrote Smoore asking if they have any plans on making adapters, and the answer was a long no---"if there are enough demands for it....", meaning thousands plus I would guess.

I will autopsy but don't expect one soon as I want this first carto to go out into the sunset on its own sweet time. Cheers.

 

[Katya]

Kemuri, could you explain to someone who has zero knowledge about this system what they should order? I want a battery, a charger and a pack of cartomizers to try. What should I get? I prefer manual batteries and the 2-piece design. I can't tell 401 from 602, sorry. I looked at their site but there's not much info for total newbs. Thanks.

 

[Yankee802]

If the M601 carto IS anything like the 4081 carto, then an autopsy will not kill it. Do have a look inside and tell us what you find. Watch my video first, then if you would, follow it and tell us if your were able to replicate what I did with the 601 carto.

 

[Katya]

Hey, Yankee, Look up! Did you see my link to Teslair? Doesn't it look like a smokestik battery?

 

[kemuri]

Kemuri, could you explain to someone who has zero knowledge about this system what they should order? I want a battery, a charger and a pack of cartomizers to try. What should I get? I prefer manual batteries and the 2-piece design. I can't tell 401 from 602, sorry. I looked at their site but there's not much info for total newbs. Thanks.

Sure, but this is going to get long so get a glass of water/juice and your favorite pv.

For the set up you want with manual batteries in the M602, you'll probably have to go to the source (Smoore's) retail website:

Starter Kits - *NEW* M602 Manual Switch Starter Kit - Electronic Cigarette | Electronic Cigarettes | E-Cigarettes | E-Cigs from Smoore

Do note that shipping (China) will be $15, so ordering 5 cartos plus 2 batteries and charger will be around $36 for the customizable kit (which I'm sure includes 1 regular atomizer that you can use for dipping if you don't care to order cartridges as well) plus $15 shipping, so your total will be $51.

Though I haven't ordered directly from absolutelyecigs.com yet, I've asked them questions on another forum recently and they're very prompt and professional in their replies. The same goes for the email inquiry I sent them. I haven't heard a single bad thing about them so far in the 7 months I've been vaping. Which is nice because they are the actual manufacturers and not resellers.

Their prices for a pack of 5 cartos is good at around $7.00 so if you were to place a somewhat larger order of 5 packs of cartos, that would more than cover their $15 shipping charge (see below).

Here's where I got my M cartos and $30 starter kit with an AUTO battery:

Super Nova Elite White Electronic Cigarette

and the separate pack of 5 cartos for $15:

M601 Electronic Cigarette Cartridges

With shipping, the price comes to $50 so it's pretty much even Steven with absolutelyecigs.com but without the MANUAL option. Note their price of cartos is a bit high, though the company does offer 555 filled in the cartos.

It's a company based in California and shipment was quick, as was the reply to an email I sent after I received their goods. The email wasn't a complaint or anything but an inquiry re their disposable ecig (which is a one-piece M601 which cannot be taken apart nor recharged).

I found a third source for the M601 though I see no M602 manual battery there as yet:

e cigarettes

The kit is $40 which includes 2 batteries (auto) plus 5 cartos.
So with shipping, it should come under $50 but you should check.

Their carto price is $10 for a pack of 5 so it's not bad.

I haven't dealt with them at all, though I may in the future.


The manual battery M601 is pretty good and light enough so that I can walk around with the ecig in my mouth and vape with no hands, though of course I always prefer mod batteries like the 18500 with its stated (cough) 1600 mAh, something no standard ecig battery can match because ecig batts need to be slimmer.

 

[Katya]

Wow. Talk about detail. Thanks, Kemuri. I'm really curious to try it now. So I take it you don't really mind the short battery life? And refilling is a breeze? Well, if they don't burn... I'll wait for your post mortem report.

 

[kemuri]

If the M601 carto IS anything like the 4081 carto, then an autopsy will not kill it. Do have a look inside and tell us what you find. Watch my video first, then if you would, follow it and tell us if your were able to replicate what I did with the 601 carto.

Hey there Yankee802. I did take a quick look at your 4081 vid some days ago. There was some sort of a small internal plate below the cap on top of the "fluval", no?

The M601 carto has a hard cap which takes a bit of effort to remove. I didn't have it sitting mouth piece down in a glass of boiling water prior to forcing it off to soften any glue so I deformed the cap. No problem for me since I wanted to drip on it. Once the cap is off, it looks like an 808 but unless my memory is failing, I don't remember seeing any inner silicone plate. The bluish-green loop of the visible vertical wire makes it look like an 808 configuration and I think disassembly would render the carto unvapable.

The 501/901 metal drip tip I got from madvapes will fit into the M601 carto but the bottom of the drip tip will push against the fluval in the carto so I'm using a cut off carto condom to vape on it.

I think right now the M601 carto is based on the 808 but there must be a Smoore tweak at the base of the coil.

Apart from the threads of the 4081 batt connector not wedding the M carto correctly, there's one other reason I'm sure the 4081 carto and the M carto are different animals. I haven't heard anyone say the 4081 is flavorful.

 

[Katya]

Nope, not flavorful by any stretch of imagination. Nasty cheap harsh tobacco.

And 4081 has no visible looping wire like the 808; it has no wire whatsoever, just the filler and an airflow tube. But it comes with 4 different little washer thingies, can't imagine why one would need all 4, so we can put this issue to bed. Different animal altogether.

 

[kemuri]

Nope, not flavorful by any stretch of imagination. Nasty cheap harsh tobacco.

And 4081 has no visible looping wire like the 808; it has no wire whatsoever, just the filler and an airflow tube. But it comes with 4 different little washer thingies, can't imagine why one would need all 4, so we can put this issue to bed. Different animal altogether.

There's always the possibility that the M602 is an 808 but I'm doing Jedi mind tricks on myself.

Anyway around Wednesday will be a week and maybe Thursday or so I'll try to unwrap the innards and check for burning. The material will be dyed brown/tan due to my usual liquids such as Cappucino, 555, RY4 and other tobacco-toned vapes so any charring will be hard to distinguish from coloring. A hole will be obvious however.

Hold off on ordering the M601/2 till then Katya so you don't end up ordering a dupe of your present carto with a different threading, meaning extra expenditure. In my case, I'm already ahead since the M601 atty is close to an M401 in tastiness and the M601 cartridge holds more than the slim M401. And I can switch around with the M602 carto, burn or not, and it will simply replace the 808 and greencig as a driving vape. Sort of like 901 vapers switching around with the 808/Greencig.

BTW wasn't there an anteater inhabiting this joint? Did a zombie eat it up?

 

[Katya]

I'll wait. BTW, we seem to like similar flavors; I love 555, any coffee (cappucino being my fave, but I've read a lot of good things about Sumatra from VS), but not R4Y. This is one of those love it or hate it things. I'm the latter.

Yeah, I'm so heavily invested in kr808 batteries that I'll stay with the Turbo/Greencig/maybe 4081 mix, as I can easily use them with the hardware I"ve got. Until the Holy Grail of the cartomizers if invented.

The anteater has been kidnapped by the zombies and temporarily (I hope) transformed into one. But she'll be back, I have a feeling.

Good morning Tibur, is this enough information from our night-owl session?

 

[tiburonfirst]

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Good morning Tibur, is this enough information from our night-owl session?

wow - what more can i say

but where is scottbee?

 

[kemuri]

The single M602 carto finally died so did a I quickie autopsy. I have been essentially abusing the carto for almost 6 days, using it on a nicobox with an 18500 which would keep the voltage in the 4 to 3.7v area for a while, much higher than the stated 3.7v battery the M601 atty and M602 were designed for where I assume the voltage would quickly decline way below 3.7v.

Because the autopsy wasn't done when new, it's impossible to say when the burn occurred. I did not taste any charring during the approx. week of vaping this.

When vaping while reading forums, the carto would be constantly fired with no rest (pacifier vaping), except to drip more liquid down the tube. This carto did not get uncomfortably hot as an 808 (old style?) would though that could be because I made sure it remained wet because I liked the tastiness provided by this particular carto.

Abuse I define as using one single carto (with the exception of an occasional vape on the possibly even tastier M601 atty (standard 3 piece cartridge design) for a continuous period. I'm guessing I refilled (without cleaning, flushing, etc) about 20 times by dripping down the carto tube once the hard cap was taken off. About 4 liquids were used, pretty much standard PG mix of Cappucino, 555, RY4 and some left over Hilton. The brown/tan coloring of the absorbent material would come mainly from the RY4 and the Cappucino.

It's not THE unburnable carto people are searching for. I even managed to char the "fluval" of the Greencig carto and that one Greencig carto has a burnt smell to it so I retired it and will vape the second GC carto off and on, but pretty rarely for now.

But for people who value flavor most of all as M401 and penstyle vapers tend to be, the M602 is a good vp when driving or when you don't want to fuss with dripping/refilling. And there's the advantage that you can switch between atty style and carto style in the M601/2 series.

Still curious re the next RN4081 carto autopsy and report but unless it's a tasty carto, I doubt I would be interested except for ordering a single carto or a 5 pack just for the hell of it.

Once the 808 design incorporates non-burning material, everything will be moot except in taste.

 

[tiburonfirst]

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Still interested in the next RN4081 carto autopsy and report but unless it's a tasty carto, I doubt I would be interested except for ordering a single carto or a 5 pack just for the hell of it.

Once the 808 design incorporates non-burning material, everything will be moot except in taste.

i can only repeat, no burn in the filler material in the first 4081 carto i took apart but a closer look found some black material on the atomizer strands, burnt juice?
anyhow, i'm still on my second carto since last thursday. will take that apart also once it dies. unfortunately, the 4081 batteries seem to be shortlived. the 2 i got from trueman did not even make it to 2 weeks.

 

[Fedor]

I was asked to read this thread from a post in another thread.

So far, i agree with everything Kemuri has to say. Except that i did not wait till the carto died to toss it away. Once it weakens and does not perform to my needs, i toss it away but this was well after 7 days.

I got mine from www.absolutelyecigs.com

Been using their services for more than a year and i have nothing but praises for these guys (or gals...i don't really know). They have helped me a great deal personally with my job. I send corporate gifts through them and they do quite a bit of personalised work for me. I trust them with the small gestures as their English is actually better than mine.

One thing to add to kemuri's review though. Absolutely's shipping is fixed at $15, no matter how much you purchase. This means that it does not make sense to just buy just a bit or samples. Their prices are low, so when you stock up on parts and liquid, it makes it much more worthwhile. Imagine getting some cartos, kits, liquids and parts in one order and the savings will be rather significant.

The other current suppliers are selling at far too high a price imo. It will come down soon though, with more competition coming in the days to come.

I do think that this model was born to counter the increasing popularity of the 510 and 808. It really does have the qualities to beat these 2 models imo. I have not used the 808 but the 510 is pretty much a joke imo. Never really understood the reason behind its popularity. There, i said it!

I actually find the manual version (M602) much more appealing. I am waiting for my order to arrive with the auto version. Will also let you guys know what i think. I'm not a mod person so Kemuri will still be the best guy to consult on this matter. In fact, i've learnt quite a bit from his posts. I'm glad i came about to read this.

 

[tiburonfirst]

as promised, one more link for 4081 cartos, us based, free shipping $8.99 for 5

Cartomizers For All Batteries

curious what activity i will find tomorrow morning

 

[Katya]

Those are the ones Yankee ordered last week. Wordup. Most likely not the same thing.

Hey, Yankee!!!! How are they?