Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[lorikay13]

oh god...this is driving me to dostraction! Too much for my poor Zombified brain to remember. Didn't I already post the WordUp site? I wrote to the guy and he wrote me back,etc,etc..???? Or maybe that was just a PM to you,Katya. Anyway....I have an order on the way from them to compare cartos and 4081 batteries with GENUINE SMOKE STIK PRODUCTS. Not Daisy,NOT Discount....Smoke Stik.

The bluish-green loop of the visible vertical wire makes it look like an 808 configuration and I think disassembly would render the carto unvapable.

That's all you need to know about any carto....wire=burned filling....period. It's only a matter of what cercumstances and how much stress it takes....but eventually they will all burn.

I am in the process of a dialoge with Bill from Smoke Stik. I am trying to get a straight answer to the question of rather the Smoke Stik brand has a fundimentaly different design than other cartos....it isn't easy. But I have one in my hand right now. I owe Yankee an apology. This is a fine product and a classy product. Yes....I got it for free. Bill contacted me....I did not contact him. He made the offer and I told him I would only accept a freebie if #1....I could tell you all up front that I had recieved it and #2...that I didn't owe him squat in the form of a review. The only promise I made him was that if I still thought they were aweful I wouldn't start a feeding frenzy/negative review thread but that i would be polite and curteous. They are not aweful. I actually like them. And yes,it is obvious to me anyway that the product I recieved from Daisy Trading Post is NOT the same product Bill sent me. YES...they are that easy to take apart. I took one completely apart...and I mean down to removing the center post from the bottom of the carto so the lead wire was hanging out....it still works. Here's the point.....what I have in my hand, genuine Smoke Stik, is fundimentally different than any other carto I have seen....including GreenCigs. And it is better...much better. Is it worth $20 a box....I don't know. Time will tell. But I abused the hell out the one I took apart and could not get it to over heat. It over heats now because I ruined the silicon seal and probably loosened the lead wire....but it still works. So that is where we stand.

The 601 is just a reworked KR808D. Just my opinion. And no....I think that it is not plausible to say Smoke Stik is made by Smoore. It is looking like Smoke Stik is made by Smoke Stik.....Bill says he owns the factory in China out right. I'm not ready to post a review yet because I still hate their prices,their movie star BS and their deceptive advertising. But darnit.....it's a NICE ecig.

just my opinion though ;-)

btw....Truemans has been banned from this forum for spamming since last year.

one more update....In a couple weeks AquaVapor will be carrying the 4081 cartomizer. I have written to them and asked them to describe the contruction. They will be 8.99 a box of 5. Hope it's the good ones!!!!

 

[Katya]

VERY INTERESTING!

Thank you so much, Lorikay. This is really very informative. If this baby doesn't burn...

I want to know now what Yankee has to say to this, because my understanding is that cartomizer he did his first review about came from discountsmokestik.com. Is this correct?

 

[Yankee802]

No, my previous (first) review was of a SmokeStik (from Bill) carto, not that it matters, because they are almost identical.

Those are the ones Yankee ordered last week. Wordup. Most likely not the same thing.

Hey, Yankee!!!! How are they?

I'm glad you asked, they are NOT like SmokeStik 4081 cartos, and I wont buy any more, glad I only got 1 5 pack!!

YouTube - Wordupecig 4081.wmv

Edit: Just yanked on the glued in filler/liner and shredded it, so this carto is pretty much an atty now. Would NOT recommend these to anyone.

 

[Yankee802]

Follow up video....

YouTube - Wordupecig 4081 - 2.wmv

 

[Katya]

I lost the audio about 32 sec into the video, but that doesn't matter much to me if they are nothing like SS.

But now I'm confused. You say that in your experience the cartos from SS and discountsmokestiks were almost identical, while Lorikay reported that they were different (the discountSS had the filler glued in and the flavor was awful. Did you both order from the same discountsmokestiks? She calls her Daisy Trading, but I thought they were the same thing. Please help me understand the difference.

Edit: Yankee, one more question, could you look at the link (post 704) and tell me if you think that these may be 4081 knockoffs? The batteries look very much like SS batteries, and the cartos, I dunno, you're more familiar with them.

Thanks.

 

[lorikay13]

well crap....just wasted that money. So I'm sure the Aqua Vapor cartos will be the same thing....

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No, my previous (first) review was of a SmokeStik (from Bill) carto, not that it matters, because they are almost identical

It matters....it matters alot. I'll try to explain this again so it makes sense.....
Smoke Stik....aka....smokestikusa.com The current genuine Smoke Stik product

according to Bill,the owner and president of Smoke Stick there have been several vendors selling either outright conterfiet products OR as in my case, from the Daisy Trading Post, an older unapproved version of a Smoke Stik product that Smoke Stick rejected. Daisy continues to sell the cartos that say Mad in USA on the box...which AT THAT TIME was true. For some reason the juice was crap....it tasted terrible as I can attest to as well as Katya and now probably Scott. So Smoke Stick switched back to Chinese juice and apparently made some slight changes to the carto design...because the ones I got as well as tasting bad had the filling glued in.

While Discount Smoke Stik is financially affiliated/merged with Daisy Trading Post now they have seperate websites and I think seperate physical locations and stock. I will be speaking with Bill to confirm this.

so Yankee....now I hope you really understand my confusion and initial doubt about what you were saying. It really wasn't personal....the product I got was not the same one you got...although they should have been. I'm pretty darn happy with the genuine Smoke Stik I'm using now. I sure hope we can unravel this all and find a 4081 carto that I can afford!

damn....wish I hadn't wasted that money at WordUp....oh well...hopefully they will at least be good for one or two uses...can't be any worse than what we are all using now can they??? please...they arn't are they?

Katya....a knock off would be a copy of a patented,trade marked brand....Like Smoke Stick. The term 4081 is simply an industry standard that describes the thread pattern and other specifics about the device. ANyone can and does make them and they are all "real" 4081's. The difference is in the quality. There is no way to tell what that e-cig is your refering to since the company refuses to identify it. FYI...there is a company out there now AandD Industries....and all they do is make cartomizers...they make them to fit any and every e-cig thread pattern out there by special order. So expect this to get even more confusing!!!


edit:Just watched Yankees video. DUDE!!! Thats what I got from Daisy Trading Post!!! I'm almost sure of it. Where the hell is Scott???? Katya....what did you do with the carto I sent you....if you have it take it apart and see....pretty please!!! Hell yeah....ECF rocks!!! You might fool a few of us once...but you won't fool any of us twice!

 

[Yankee802]

Lorikay is right, 4081 is nothing more than another thread type, like 510 or 901. She is also right about numerous different versions, and that it will likely only increase in diversity. I for one am sticking with only SmokeStik from Bill, to ensure I get the top quality carto I've come to love.

I will however, for the sake of curriosity, go back and compare the ones I got from DiscountSmokeStik. I don't recall mine being glued in, but that doesn't mean they weren't, my memory isn't the greatest.

As far as Teslair, those look like anything else, so who knows?

I can understand wanting top quality and being on a budget, but it's hard to drive a BMW on a VW budget. So you either just drive the VW, or Sunday drive the BMW, OR eat less yourself, and get a smaller house.

 

[lorikay13]

Your point about budget is well taken Yankee. Speaking for myself only though, if I eat less and turn down the heat so I can afford a BMW I expect to GET a BMW when I buy from a BMW dealer. I paid $20 for a box of cartos that you paid $9 for. That's just not right.
Also....charging a premium price for a premium product is one thing.....charging a premium price simply because you can based on questionalble advertising techniques is a totally different thing. So all I am trying to do is verify that I am paying a premium price for a premium, and UNIQUE product. As that applies to Smoke Stik it is starting to look like this really is a unique,premium product. When I'm 100% convinced I'll start eating Top Ramen and turn down the heat And quit complaining....won't that be a fortunate day ?

Like I said.....I don't think it is Discount Smoke Stik that is the problem....it is Daisy Trading Post. That is where I paid $20 for the cartos you showed in the video.

 

[Yankee802]

SmokeStik cartos are $17.95, I didn't pay $9 for SmokeStik, but I did pay that for the wordupecig ones, and wont do that again. I'm a firm believer in 'you get what you pay for' (of course it doesn't ALWAYS work, but it does most of the time)

 

[Katya]

This is the site I ordered from:

Discount SmokeStik


Discount SmokeStik and Daisy Trading Post are Native American owned stores. We sell eco-friendly and fun products as well as hand-made products we make ourselves. We started Discount SmokeStik and are in the process of merging it with Daisy Trading Post. We will continue to offer all SmokeStik products as well as others we enjoy.
Discount SmokeStik is an authorized reseller of the SmokeStik and works with SmokeStikUSA to offer the number one electronic cigarette assembled in the USA to our customers for the lowest price. We became resellers of this product within days of being introduced to it and can testify to its positive benefit to a family of smokers and non-smokers.
Daisy Trading Post and Discount SmokeStik are Niche of Time stores based out of Charlotte, NC.

Just for the record.

If you both, Lori and Yankee, ordered from the same site, how is it possible that you got different cartomizers?

Lorikay, I still have the carto you sent me and I'll be comparing it to Bill's originals as soon as I get me some. Unless you want it back. You're welcome to it.

Where is Scott?

Scott who doesn't even have the original SmokeStik carto. Just two fakes?

 

[tiburonfirst]

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Lorikay, I still have the carto you sent me and I'll be comparing it to Bill's originals as soon as I get me some. Unless you want it back. You're welcome to it.

Where is Scott?

Scott who doesn't even have the original SmokeStik carto. Just two fakes?

shucks, why is it that all the action happens way AFTER my bedtime?

looking at yankee's video again i still think trueman's carto might be a match to smokesticks. no glue, no burning, but nasty taste originally since i ordered prefilled
lorikay, do you think you could reassemble bill's carto including the little white tubes? it looks as if i should send a trueman carto to yankee for comparison
did not know trueman was banned from ecf last year, i only joined in february. having to deal with them now for the warranty issue it is possible their very poor understanding of english got them in trouble.
i wrote them that my 4081 battery had a stuck switch and did not turn off anymore and as a reply i got: we checked order but can not see where you ordered battery with switch......duh!!!

 

[Scottbee]

I'm here.. I'm here... just been recently overwhelmed by many non-PV things in my life. Most of them good, but overwhelming none-the-less.

So I have two unopened envelopes of cartomizers in my "in-box" waiting for inspection, evaluation, immolation, and dissection.

Are you telling me that I'd be wasting my time?

 

[tiburonfirst]

I'm here.. I'm here... just been recently overwhelmed by many non-PV things in my life. Most of them good, but overwhelming none-the-less.

So I have two unopened envelopes of cartomizers in my "in-box" waiting for inspection, evaluation, immolation, and dissection.

Are you telling me that I'd be wasting my time?

the 4081 carto from trueman has no glue and seems to be either the same or a very good clone of the smokestick [that's the envelope from virginia]
a warning though, at the time of my order no empty cartos were available so you have to get passed the marlboro prefilled juice which is not all that great, lol

 

[Scottbee]

What about this envelope from Texas.. the one that is making the weird "ticking" sound....???

 

[tiburonfirst]

What about this envelope from Texas.. the one that is making the weird "ticking" sound....???

uhh, that would be either the former anteater or the other bird. there were quite a few developements while you took your break but mostly at night. since i usually sleep during those hours i kind of lost track.
but both of them capable of sending a ticking part, watch out, scott, lol

 

[lorikay13]

What about this envelope from Texas.. the one that is making the weird "ticking" sound....???

that's from me.


No Scott,your not wasting your time. BUT....please don't do anything with the stuff you got from Katya/me until I PM you. It is probale that those are fakes...not real SmokeStik and I will need them back. More later after I talk to Bill.

okay....I'm done banging my head agaisnt the keyboard....you can get a different product from what appears to be the same company because they have different physical distribution centers...just like a grocery store or any other chain store.

I didn't get what I paid for....I paid $17.99 plus $6 shipping for the same product you paid $8.99 for. That's what I'm upset about. NOT the quality or even necessarilly the price of the genuine Smoke Stik. I am actually very happy with that product. Are we all clear on that now. It's important that everyone realize EVERY negative comment I made about the 4081 cartomizer was based on the fact that I recieved a FAKE product,okay!?!?!?

 

[miss MiA]

I want to know now what Yankee has to say to this, because my understanding is that cartomizer he did his first review about came from discountsmokestik.com. Is this correct?

That's my understanding of it, the April 14th one that appeared in Bill's/SmokeStik's subforum (link) and was on product actually obtained at DSS; which Bill didn't speak to directly (despite being asked) but I'd say clearly had no problem with (so).

did not know trueman was banned from ecf last year, i only joined in february. having to deal with them now for the warranty issue it is possible their very poor understanding of english got them in trouble.

When ECF disapproves of a site/seller they block the ability to link to it or type it 'normally' -- the beginning of the addy gets zapped with a bunch of periods, like '.............../blahblah/etcetc'. I don't think we could have been linking to/typing out the name if it was one frowned upon by ECF. Also, in a skimming of the snippets that come up under a forum search of 'trueman' (and 'truman,' just in case) I didn't see anything about them being banned or blocked (fyi have been no posters by those names either)... Didn't see anything very negative in that brief skim either, and they've been discussed occasionally for at least a year. Perhaps you're referring to something behind-the-scenes, but from what's visible here anyway, nothing appears out of order in regard to trueman...

But never mind y'all, I've been highly successful in my plan to largely stay off ECF until if/when I catch up on stuff in 'real-er' life... So actually you're only imaging that I posted here at all!

 

[Katya]

No, my previous (first) review was of a SmokeStik (from Bill) carto, not that it matters, because they are almost identical.

Yankee, I'm really confused now. Especially that they are not identical at all. At least not the one that Lorikay got.

That's my understanding of it, the April 14th one that appeared in Bill's/SmokeStik's subforum (link) and was on product actually obtained at DSS; which Bill didn't speak to directly (despite being asked) but I'd say clearly had no problem with (so).

In the original thread linked here so kindly by Miss MiA, you state that the carto you're reviewing was obtained from discountsmokes (you provide the link) and Bill tells you you can also buy them from SmokeStik and offers you a coupon code. That's why I (and possibly Lorikay also, can't speak for her) ordered from the site you'd linked. Very confusing

 

[tiburonfirst]

btw....Truemans has been banned from this forum for spamming since last year.

so, lori was mistaken about this

well, no matter
the important issues:
are there 4081 cartos on the market for less money than smokesticks but of equal value? the only one that might stand a chance is from trueman, and scott will be able to look at that
if ss and dss cartos are the same price [17.95 after bill's ecf discount], and dss declares them to be the same, than why are they not of the same quality?
or at least not consistantly? yankee's first review was of them, and he liked them very much.
lori's ? cartos from same place were glued down and different, maybe like the ones from wordup?

 

[miss MiA]

Yankee, I'm really confused now. Especially that they are not identical at all. At least not the one that Lorikay got. [...]

In the original thread linked here so kindly by Miss MiA, you state that the carto you're reviewing was obtained from discountsmokes (you provide the link) and Bill tells you you can also buy them from SmokeStik and offers you a coupon code. That's why I (and possibly Lorikay also, can't speak for her) ordered from the site you'd linked. Very confusing

Here are some snippets from previous discussion here, in case they'll be of use til Yankee arrives.

After he posted this:

Discount SmokeStik and SmokeStik are seperate companies, but carry the same product, as far as I can tell. Neither cartos have the filler glued in, as I understand (and will verify) the ones from wordupecig are. More on those when I get them.

....I asked:

It was after your review in Bill's sub-forum (on the thread I mentioned above, where he ignored your question about whether he was also behind Discount SmokeStik) that he encouraged you to post a review in the main reviews section, and rewarded you with *free batts or whatever (*not meant as any kind of point in itself; not an unusual practice -- Ben of V9 and surely others do it too). Honestly, wouldn't it be odd for him to do all that if in reality it wasn't even his own product you'd been talking about? (You clarified twice for him in that thread that you'd gotten yours from the Discount SS site...)

...now I gather it's been established that DSS is probably an authorized reseller but anyway, Yankee's answer was:

I got my first box of 4081 cartos from Discount SmokeStik. I did a review, solely because I felt these were great cartos. Bill (from SmokeStik) contacted me and thanked me (he thought I had bought mine from him I guess). He sent me a couple batteries and 3 boxes of cartos, and asked for a frank review of both, which I'll get to as soon as I can. If the DS cartos are not SmokeStik, they are identical clones, that came in SmokeStik boxes. Their physically identical, same vape, flavor, etc....Only ONE difference (if you want to count this) the ones Bill sent me where clad in a white sticker, the DS where in a black sticker. Of course we are all intellegent enough to realize this doesn't mean squat.

...but after that I was still rather confused myself hehe.

Tiburon, just FYI, I hadn't seen the post you quoted about trueman spamming (have so far managed to at least reduce my obsessive ECF reading, and chasing down of all intriguing references lol). Didn't know what you were referring to, just did a quick search since I'd always noticed that ECF actively blocks linking to ecig forums or suppliers they don't approve of/like/welcome for whatever reasons, so didn't understand why trueman could be linked to if they'd gotten in trouble here.