Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

Thanks, Yankee,

It was very helpful. What I'm looking for is the power of a Chuck with the looks of a cigarette. I'll wait, it will come. First computers were big too.

WitchWay, I've heard good things about Iken's 510 cartomizers. But I noticed he also carries kr8 cartos? Are they as good as their 510s? On paper, they should be the same, the only difference should be the thread pattern. Has anyone tried those?

Tibur, I really don't know what to think. I liked the Trueman a lot, but that charred wick looked ugly. Not to mention that we don't even know what we're burning, what is the chemical composition of the fumes we're inhaling, and how much of that actually even gets into our lungs. Is it any worse than the smoke from all the frying, grilling, toasting, roasting, candle burning, bonfires and car exhaust we're inhaling daily? I don't know. Good Prophets is going to carry blanks, I'm not sure about Aqua Vapor, possibly. But if you have all these sensitivities and allergies, why not just switch to a 3-piece?

Of course, who's to say that this 'burnt wick' in a cartomizer is any worse than the inner wick for the 3 piece standard atomizer, which does seem to burn too. Just try this one:

Burnt taste with all my attys

 

[WitchWay]

WitchWay, I've heard good things about Iken's 510 cartomizers. But I noticed he also carries kr8 cartos? Are they as good as their 510s? On paper, they should be the same, the only difference should be the thread pattern. Has anyone tried those?

I have some of IkenVapes 808s also and they are standard regular KR808 cartos, 3.0 ohms. The 510s are not the same design. They have a coil like an atty instead of a the straight wire up through the center. Yankee said he was getting some so hopefully he can report and give a comparison. I'm running one at 4.5 volts just to see how it holds up to the slightly higher voltage. 5 volts is just too much for me or I'd try that. If anybody can scorch a carto, I can! I'll pull the filler in a day or two to see what it looks like. Well unless it taste burnt before that.

Happy vaping!

 

[Katya]

I have some of IkenVapes 808s also and they are standard regular KR808 cartos, 3.0 ohms. The 510s are not the same design. They have a coil like an atty instead of a the straight wire up through the center. Yankee said he was getting some so hopefully he can report and give a comparison. I'm running one at 4.5 volts just to see how it holds up to the slightly higher voltage. 5 volts is just too much for me or I'd try that. If anybody can scorch a carto, I can! I'll pull the filler in a day or two to see what it looks like. Well unless it taste burnt before that.

Happy vaping!

It looks as though IkenVapes' 510s are the same (or similar) design as the 4081 cartos, but larger, am I correct? Do they look like the cartos in post# 789 on page 79? Very interesting... That would also explain why they are more burn-resistant. Very interesting indeed.

 

[WitchWay]

It looks as though IkenVapes' 510s are the same (or similar) design as the 4081 cartos, but larger, am I correct? Do they look like the cartos in post# 789 on page 79? Very interesting... That would also explain why they are more burn-resistant. Very interesting indeed.

Hi Katya,

I haven't been able to get one all the way apart like that. I just pulled the filler and looked down inside, but yes they look similar. I've never seen a 4081 in person so can't say about the size difference. I can get 30 drops in one of these 510s, probably more but I don't like to overfill them so stop between 25 and 30.

If you would like, PM me your address and I will send you one of the IkenVape's 510 cartos and one of the KR808s so you can take a look. I had to give up cartos because they bothered me so much, then Isaac sent me one of his 510s to try and I fell in love with them. I'm so happy to be able to use cartos again.

 

[Katya]

Oh, that's so sweet of you, WitchWay, but I think I'm getting ready to pounce. I've spent some time on their site studying those nifty little lasers... You see, I don't even own anything with a 510 thread yet, so I figured I might just try one of those. I see you're using them, which one would you recommend to a new 510 user? BTW, these cartos must be good, he's only got a few PINK ones left in stock....

So, thanks for your kind offer, but since I'm ready to order me some new gear, I would greatly appreciate it if you'd help me choose a laser. I need something simple, entry level, low-voltage (I like 3.7-4.0 v). Any tips?

 

[bssage]

I just want to say to the posters on this thread, Thanks. I hope you all keep up the investigation. Including the inevitable, occasional disagreement. I think they only make the thread better as more pictures have been included more explanations detailed and testing seems to continue to get less and less subjective.

I would guess there are a lot of onlookers like myself who while not qualified to participate but read this thread on a very regular basis in order to make educated decisions on what to use and buy.

Probably not enough of us say Thanks you.

So here is mine again to all of you.

Thanks you very much

Sincerely
bssage

 

[Katya]

How nice, Bssage. Thank you for your post. Makes it all worthwhile, you know. Yeah, we do disagree, sometimes, but I truly believe that everybody who's ever contributed to this thread has had only one goal: to find a better, safer cartomizer and possibly force the manufacturers to pay attention and provide such product. I think we've achieved some success, as vendors are taking notice and are beginning to offer what we've been asking for. The introduction of the new high-resistance kr8 cartos is one example. And another vendor is abandoning the ill-advised low-resistance cartos that have serious burn problems.

The 4081 design seems to be very promising, and looks like it just may be an even better option than the "cool" kr8s. Looks like IkenVape's new 510 cartomizers are next!

Hang with us and please, share your own experiences with the rest of us. There are no experts here, trust me, we're just trying to understand how things work. Every voice adds to our discussion. Welcome and thanks for chiming in!

 

[tiburonfirst]

Hang with us and please, share your own experiences with the rest of us. There are no experts here, trust me, we're just trying to understand how things work. Every voice adds to our discussion. Welcome and thanks for chiming in!

could not have said it any better, katya! with all of our back and forth, we DID make some headway! maybe soon there'll be a carto we can use without too much worry

 

[WitchWay]

Oh, that's so sweet of you, WitchWay, but I think I'm getting ready to pounce. I've spent some time on their site studying those nifty little lasers... You see, I don't even own anything with a 510 thread yet, so I figured I might just try one of those. I see you're using them, which one would you recommend to a new 510 user? BTW, these cartos must be good, he's only got a few PINK ones left in stock....

So, thanks for your kind offer, but since I'm ready to order me some new gear, I would greatly appreciate it if you'd help me choose a laser. I need something simple, entry level, low-voltage (I like 3.7-4.0 v). Any tips?

I really hope you or Yankee or one of the others with more experience than I have try Iken's 510 cartos. I don't even know how to get them apart so nicely like you do LOL Plus my opinion is limited as I have only tried a few kinds. I just know they are working well for me and if they can work well for someone else that would be great

As for the Lazers... Between hubby and I we have a total of 5 of them now so yes I like them very much. Not sure what Iken has available at the moment, but he gets them in all the time so if you sign up for the newsletter you can know when the one you want is there. They tend to go fast when they are in stock though. They all work about the same and seem to work well. I've had 2 of them since Feb with daily use and still going strong. The others we've collected along the way since then. They all take the same batteries 10440s, but I believe only the Silver LPV1 in the 510 version will accept a protected battery. The others will not. Since they all are equally good as far as working it really comes down to what one you like the looks of better. Me, I like my ecigs to be silver so my favorite is the Silver LPV1. The one in my sig is a black LPV2 with custom vinyl zebra stripes that I made for it. They are slightly bigger than a regular ecig battery, about 12mm diameter. The LPV1 is the shortest one of the group and is the same length as my 801 battery. I took the keychain part off the bottom and I use a silver eyeglass necklace and wear the LPV1 around my neck at all waking moments. This way it's always with me. I even wear it out in public. I don't take my bigger PVs out in public, only the lazers go out in public with me. The LPV1 body is slightly better quality only because the laser it was modded from is better than the laser the LPV2 and 3 are made from. Hopefully this will help you decide, but it really comes down to what one you think looks best.

 

[Yankee802]

I just pulled the filler and looked down inside, but yes they look similar.

Oh yeah, getting excited about these cartos, should be here in a day or two!!! I can't remember, are they prefilled or no?

Katya: Check out my sig, you'll see the lasers from ikenvape. If you can't make them out, go to youtube and find my videos, there is a review that includes them as well as the Precious, and I believe the Precise is there too. (all in one vid)

 

[WitchWay]

Oh yeah, getting excited about these cartos, should be here in a day or two!!! I can't remember, are they prefilled or no?

Katya: Check out my sig, you'll see the lasers from ikenvape. If you can't make them out, go to youtube and find my videos, there is a review that includes them as well as the Precious, and I believe the Precise is there too. (all in one vid)

They are blanks. They have the hard caps, but they are not glued in, they pop right off so they are easy to fill. I leave the cap off and use a drip tip. I can't wait to hear what you think of them!

 

[Katya]

Very exciting indeed. I'm on it, but it will take me some time, as they are out of stock. I may just get an adapter for the time being. Pink cartos?

Yankee and WichWay, thank you so much for all the info. On paper, these 510 cartomizers have the three features that the SS cartos lack; larger capacity, they come in blanks, and the thread is much more common than the 4081 thread, so they will work with a lot of devices people already have.

Yankee, tell me the truth; did you order pink cartos?

 

[EDO]

EDO, you are a true veteran of this thread. I just looked up your first post from May 26, 2009!

I have the same problem with the funk factor. I think it has something to do with the fact that they are prefilled, and if you don't care for the original juice and then start mixing it with your own, you know. I like the empties so I can start with my own juice.

Have you tried the new, high-resistance kr8s? I had great success with the Turbos from Vapor Nine. Some lucky combination of higher coil resistance and improved airflow. [V4L is also introducing their newest version of "cool" premiums just this weekend, I'm very curious how they perform.]

For me I think the funk factor is because of the gunk building up on the coil of the cartos and the the burnt juice on the wicking material. I am very sensitive to it....I don;t know how people can use and reuse the cartos so many times.

When I bought some juice from smilin he sent me a bunch of cartos to try and one of them was a cooler running carto. It was a definite improvement over the older kr808d. However it is no way a burn resistant carto. His low resistant cartos I would avoid like the plague.

Just for people who want to try out a carto that definitely doesn't burn. The greencigs are very good in that aspect. They use to work very well with the old KR808 batteries but they don;t work with newer batteries.....unless you make a simple modification that I just discovered on another thread. Make a small hole right at the top potion of the letter G on the cartomizer...don;t make the hole too big or the vape will be too airy. I used a robust needle to make the hole.

Vapor production is very good and the taste initially is also excellent....the throat hit is minimal. I'll try to adjust the hole size....maybe I can make the throat hit improve. I don't how a device can produce so much vapor and have little to no throat hit.

 

[Katya]

The GC cartos will work with some kr808 batteries, not V4L though, as they'we been tweaked to their specifications. I just learned of one source of batteries that will work from my hardware guru, Lorikay (thanks, doll).

KR808D-1 2 piece e-Cigarette batteries

If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you'll find the XL autos. It's my understanding that only autos will work without an adapter. I'm sure there are other kr8 batteries that will work with GS cartos, maybe someone will chime in with more info, but this is one source I remember.

I also know of people who take apart GS cartos and clean them. It takes some skill, but it can be done. It's described here by another member, post 8:

kr808 MEGA cart mini review.

 

[Yankee802]

OK, about GreenCig cartos, you DON'T have to drill a hole in the side, if using an adapter, take a screwdriver or something and turn the slot to the left (counterclockwise) and the draw becomes much easier. I learned this on THIS tread, can't remember the post # though. (THIS is not a hyperlink, I mean this thread you're reading now)

So now the moment you've all be waiting for, these just in, ikenvape 510 cartos!!

Good news: They are just like a 4081 carto!

Bad news: They are just like the wordupecig carto!

I'm not going to bother taking them apart, at least not now, I'll fill/vape one for awhile and get back as far as performance.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Good news: They are just like a 4081 carto!

Bad news: They are just like the wordupecig carto!

I'm not going to bother taking them apart, at least not now, I'll fill/vape one for awhile and get back as far as performance.

yankee, when you get ready to take them apart, could you pay special attention to the strands where katya said she found a charred substance?
i have had no luck twisting mine apart but poking my tweezers inside i came up with some black stuff, not sure if it is burned juice or not.
the filler material looks great.

 

[EDO]

Thanks for the links and tips regarding GC cartos. Do you guys agree with me that the greencigs have zero throat hit? I was using them exclusively 6 months ago but compared to my current ecigs they aren't that good. I am not sure if it worth getting anymore of these cartos to fiddle around with since they have no throat hit and get funky real fast.

Well lets hope Yankee has some good news regarding the Ikenvape 510 cartos.

 

[Yankee802]

Personally, I think GC cartos are among the worse ones out there. Flavor, vapor and throat hit are all weak! I wont be buying any GC cartos.

If this is any indication, if my only choice was between GC and 808s, I'd use 808s.

 

[zelda]

Please keep us updated as to the iken ones!

 

[Yankee802]

Just saw this on another thread:

Well, I'm trying to find out who carries what and this is all I know so far for blank 510 cartos:

madvapes: Boge
vaporkings: used to be Boge, but now SLB, hopefully they will change back to Boge
nhaler: ?
altsmoke: ? (maybe Boge by the picture)
cloudsofvapor: ? (I just bought a pack and will update this when I get them)
cigeasy: ? (just posted on their forum to ask them)
litecig: ? (by the picture it looks like SLB)
eastmall: Boge
eliquidplanet: ?
liquidxpress: Boge
ecigsupply: ? (they have a quantity discount)
ikenvape: SLB

If anyone knows the manufacturer from a particular vendor or has other vendors to add, let me know!

It's mentioned in that tread that SLB have brass threads, Boge have aluminium threads, and I can confirm this.

Just thought this was good info to know.