Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[WitchWay]

So now the moment you've all be waiting for, these just in, ikenvape 510 cartos!!

Good news: They are just like a 4081 carto!

Bad news: They are just like the wordupecig carto!

I'm not going to bother taking them apart, at least not now, I'll fill/vape one for awhile and get back as far as performance.

Awww I'm sorry Yankee, I didn't know you had already tried some like these. If you have any you want to get rid of, I'll be happy to buy them from you for what you paid for them plus shipping. PM me anytime.

Thank you for checking them out!!

 

[Katya]

WitchWay, could you do me a big favor and take one of your 510 cartos apart and tell me if they look anything like the pictures below (Nova). You said they have a coil at the bottom, did I understand that right?

good morning, i'm not sure if that what i bought as NOVA in germany is the same 4081 carto some speak about here but i opened one after 1 single use and do it again with the second after soem refills.

maybe some find the pictures interesting :

leaving battery life aside, i really like the vape much more than my Kanger KR8. the original liquid is not very tasty but ok, refilled with my favorite liquids it really produces nice flavor. its as all cartos a warmer vape than e.g. 510 but ok.

[If they look like this, they are nothing like the 4081 cartos. All the 4081 cartos I have taken apart have just a little clump of fibers attached to a thin rigid wire. I just took apart a brand new SS cartomizer (never vaped) to see what it looks like its in virgin state and I found that the filler doesn't have a hole in it as Yankee shows in his video; the filler is a white rectangle without any holes in it whatsoever. Then there are two small tubes and a clump of fibers somehow attached to the end of a bent rigid wire, just like you can see it in my autopsy picture of a Trueman carto (described in some detail earlier in this thread, post 889). I don't know how I missed that wire in my previous autopsies of the SS cartos. I think because the cartos had some damage and I had to really rip their guts out, the wire must have somehow gotten detached from the burnt fibers and gone missing. Of course, these fibers didn't just float all by themselves inside a cartomizer--they must have been attached to something. I don't know how I could have been so blind. Below is the picture of a Trueman carto, the wire clearly visible. I just found an identical wire in my SS carto. You may also notice that there's no hole in the Trueman's filler, just like there is no hole in the SS carto I just opened (unvaped). There is no point of taking a picture of the virgin SS carto because it looks just like the picture of the Trueman, below.]

Edit: please disregard the above rant. I apparently must have unraveled the coil while pulling the wire out of the shell. Sorry.



Below is Yankee's autopsy of and SS carto, no mention of a wire either, only a tiny clump of fibers.

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But the wire is there, which makes the Trueman cartos identical to the SS cartos. The only difference is that the Trueman's bottom wires (threaded through the disc) are purple (not red) and are twisted at the base of the disc.

So, WhichWay, do your 510s look more like the pictures on the very top of this post (Nova) or like the 4081s?

 

[WitchWay]

Not sure how everybody gets theirs apart, but I ended up having to cut the tube off LOL So here are some pictures of it taken apart. Hope these help

Basically there is the wire assembly, that is covered by a tube, then wraped in what I call the sock, then the filler is wrapped around that. If you need different pics let me know.

Happy Vaping!

Added Note: Somewhere there was mention that the filler was glued in because it's hard to pull out. I did not find any evidence of glue, the filler is hard to pull out because it is caught between the white plastic and the gold connector when assembled. You can see in the one picture where it ripped at the one corner from be pulled out. But no sign of glue.

 

[Katya]

Wow!!! Gorgeous pictures! And they confirm my suspicions: they look more like the Nova, which is, according to Lorikay, a 601.

Edit: deleted erroneous rant. Sorry, never mind.

Carry on.

 

[WitchWay]

I found these harder to burn, but I have burned them. They did not like 4.5 volts at all, well at least they didn't like the 10 second hits at 4.5 volts. I'm still learning to take smaller hits when the voltage is over 4.1 volts. For now I'm only using the cartos on my lazers and there they are hard to burn and for me work great.

 

[tiburonfirst]

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BTW, the Nova is supposed to be very burn resistant.

Yankee, could you do us all a favor and cut a SS carto apart like WitchWay did to show us what the connection looks like in an original SS? I'm dying to see it. Mine has a rigid, long, thin, L-shaped wire with a bundle of wicking fibers on top, just like the Trueman in the picture above. Your autopsy picture I included doesn't show any evidence of how the fibers are held in the cartomizer--no wire and no little wire nest. If you have a nest, rather than a long wire like I do, that may explain a lot of our misunderstandigs here. A lot.

katya, i'm getting sort of snowed under with the co-op but maybe you could try the german fellow's method by screwing together the 4081 with the 808, hot water bath and then twist, remember?

 

[Katya]

German screwing method?

Edit; more erroneous observations deleted, please disregard and forgive.


By the way, I agree with WitchWay about the glue. Just because something is stuck doesn't mean it's glued. I had the same experience with the Discount SS Carto: the filler was hard to remove, I had to yank it, but there was zero evidence of any glue. The filler was held in place by some other means. I am sure that this was also the case with the WordUp carto that Yankee had dismissed a priori because the batting seemed to be stuck to just one side of the carto, exactly like WW is describing. (BTW, Yankee, in your video, you seemed to be pulling on that filler with some force--a drop of glue on a porous fabric wouldn't have been able to resist this much tugging, methinks. It looked to me as though the edge of the filler was just stuck on something, or under something.

 

[syntaxevasion]

LOL Katya...

 

[Katya]

LOL Katya...

LOL to you too, Mister!

 

[tiburonfirst]

LOL to you, too, Mister!

and lol, lol, from the germans, now that you caught us, katya

 

[Katya]

and lol, lol, from the germans, now that you caught us, katya

 

[Katya]

Sorry, user error. I'm told that the wire in the Trueman autopsy picture was straight because that is what happens when you pull them out of the tube. Those wires are extremely delicate and unroll or break very easily. So, everybody, please disregard my earlier rantings about straight rigid wires (in Trueman and in SS). I straightened them out while trying to get them out of the shell.

Sorry, folks, sorry Yankee. I goofed. Carry on.

Where were we?

 

[Yankee802]

Well, these 510s are just like the 4081s from wordupecig, so they are like 4081s, just not like the SS 4081s.

I agree aboiut the glue/no glue thing, it never occured to me that they might be stuck or secured at the bottom like that.

How do you guys get the tube seperated from the thread end? I don't see any evidence of cutting. I'd love to be able to do this, preferably without having to sacrifice it.

I got a lot of real life crap I have to deal with the next couple days, but I'll try to get one apart, but I'd like to do it clean like you guys have. As far as holes, it may be that instead of burning, they scorched the holes? Remember I never said these things are perfect, just that they don't burn, at least nowhere near like the regular 808/510 cartos do.

And Witchway, this particular design of carto isn't designed to vape at anything much higher than standard 3.7, so your experience is expected.

 

[Katya]

How do you guys get the tube seperated from the thread end? I don't see any evidence of cutting. I'd love to be able to do this, preferably without having to sacrifice it.
QUOTE]

The German Screwing Method. GSM for short. Described in post# 791 on page 80.

I don't know how WitchWay did it. But it looks very impressive.

 

[WitchWay]

Yankee I had hubby cut the tube off very carefully. He did a great job for me too! So I sacraficed the carto to get what I got.

I do know that cartos shouldn't be up over 3.7 volts but I was playing with my new toy and had to try. I think if I took shorter hits it wouldn't be as bad, but I'm not trying it again LOL

So I have a couple questions for the SS carto users... how many drops do they hold on refill? Are the labels removable if I want it to be silver? And where on the SS site are the Silver cartos like the Hendu uses? With all this discussion I might have to try some of the SS cartos out of curiousity.

 

[Katya]

I think they are about the same size as the 510s. Use the link below.

SmokeStik ::: Alternative Smoking

The stickers come off easily, and you can order silver from the dropdown window next to the cartos.

Keep us posted.

 

[lorikay13]

PM'd your answers,WitchWay

 

[WitchWay]

Thank you both very much!! I'm one of these people that has to try everything, except hubby is getting upset with the amount of money I keep spending LOL

 

[zelda]

Is the battery end of the smokestix carto recessed? And how much can you refill these with?

 

[ImYourSalt]

Got some of these 510 cartos on the way from LiteCig. Not sure if they are SLB or not, but they appear to have brass threads, and are advertised as "510 SOFT CAP Blank Cartomizers".

I am severely fed up with the KR808D-1 cartos, and in dire need of a better alternative. I am so glad i found this thread!