Buying for someone else as a non-smoker, advice needed
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I'm not certain I understand what you mean.
My 401 consists of : battery; cartomizer (refillable cartridge that sits right on top of the atomizer).
If it's not being refilled it is effectively a 2 piece. Make sense or did I muddy the water?
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I've also bought juice from www.misteliquid.co.uk & ecis Electronic Cigarettes and had good service from both.
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Ahhhh . . . I know that sometimes some of the Chinese suppliers use the word "cartomizer" to describe what is really a cartridge. That must be the confusion. A 401 is considered a three-piece device, like most traditional e-cigs.
The "cartomizers" that I'm talking about are basically a combined atomizer and cartridge that is totally integrated. The model I'm thinking of is the KR808D-1. Here's a link to the subforum where the model is discussed: KR808D-1 - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
Typically, when you hear someone talk about a two-piece model or a model that utilizes a "cartomizer," they're talking about the KR808D-1. People also use the KR808D-1 cartomizers with various other devices via an adapter.
Sorry for the confusion.
Ahhhh . . . I know that sometimes some of the Chinese suppliers use the word "cartomizer" to describe what is really a cartridge. That must be the confusion. A 401 is considered a three-piece device, like most traditional e-cigs.
The "cartomizers" that I'm talking about are basically a combined atomizer and cartridge that is totally integrated. The model I'm thinking of is the KR808D-1. Here's a link to the subforum where the model is discussed: KR808D-1 - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
Typically, when you hear someone talk about a two-piece model or a model that utilizes a "cartomizer," they're talking about the KR808D-1. People also use the KR808D-1 cartomizers with various other devices via an adapter.
Sorry for the confusion.
Hi Julie,
After your suggestion, I'm looking into this too. Don's sticky:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...strated-guide-e-cigs-parts-1-through-6-a.html
Part 4 is a good guide for the subject. Scroll down to point '3' in Part 4 of the guide where the cartomizer models are discussed. the KR808D and the Green Cig seem to be the choices and within those there are adapters - so that the 901 and 510 can work as well. And I think you can adapt say, a 510 batt to take a cartomizer as well as if you start off with the KR808D batt and want to go 3 piece, there's an adapter going the other way to use 510 atty/cart on the KR808D when a person gets more used to the idea and wants to have a selection of juices or DIY it. Of course they can stay with cartos and do that as well - there's a workaround for that.
Excellent link, Kent. Don did such a fabulous job on that guide!
I have a 901 to cartomizer adapter, and so I've been enjoying a cartomizer with various 3.7 volt, 5 volt, and 6 volt devices. Wow. I've actually ordered a KR808 from PureSmoker to try out and see how well it works with the battery that is actually designed for the model.
But if what I've been experiencing is any indication, it's going to be a winner.
I vaped for HOURS on a single cartomizer. Finally noticed the vapor decreasing, so I unscrewed the cartomizer from the adapter and added about 15 drops (one at a time) of liquid into the small hole on the end of the cartomizer that screws into the adapter. I let it sit for a few hours, meanwhile vaping on another cartomizer. When I went back to the original cartomizer, it lasted about 2 1/2 hours before vapor decreased again. (You can more fully refill the cartomizer, but I'm basically a lazy person.)
It will never totally replace my other setups, but it's easy and enjoyable . . . especially when I'm driving.
I am now vaping with a cartomizer that has been refilled (in my lazy manner) 5 times. The atomizer is still going strong. Quite impressive.
Don did such a fabulous job on that guide!I have a 901 to cartomizer adapter, and so I've been enjoying a cartomizer with various 3.7 volt, 5 volt, and 6 volt devices. Wow. I've actually ordered a KR808 from PureSmoker to try out and see how well it works with the battery that is actually designed for the model.
But if what I've been experiencing is any indication, it's going to be a winner.
I vaped for HOURS on a single cartomizer. Finally noticed the vapor decreasing, so I unscrewed the cartomizer from the adapter and added about 15 drops (one at a time) of liquid into the small hole on the end of the cartomizer that screws into the adapter. I let it sit for a few hours, meanwhile vaping on another cartomizer. When I went back to the original cartomizer, it lasted about 2 1/2 hours before vapor decreased again. (You can more fully refill the cartomizer, but I'm basically a lazy person.)
It will never totally replace my other setups, but it's easy and enjoyable . . . especially when I'm driving.
I am now vaping with a cartomizer that has been refilled (in my lazy manner) 5 times. The atomizer is still going strong. Quite impressive.
Well apparently i'm still dumb about the models..lol
Sorry, I was under the impression the 401 style was what everyone was referring to as a cartomizer.. this stuff is confusing!
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No need for apologies. It *is* confusing.
For what it's worth, the only e-cig that I ever tried that I really, really, really didn't care for was the 401. I know there are some who love that device to death, but it just wasn't my cup of tea.
No need for apologies. It *is* confusing.
For what it's worth, the only e-cig that I ever tried that I really, really, really didn't care for was the 401. I know there are some who love that device to death, but it just wasn't my cup of tea.
I just started hitting my stride with it today and it seems to be producing more vapor...
Switched to different brand of liquid than what I tried previously though so that might be part of the equation.
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Somebody 70 years-old is not gonna appreciate a 510 or 901. Too much fiddling for someone that age. It sounds like cartomizers is the way to go. All they want to do is stick the thing in their mouths and suck and get "smoke" and forget about the rest.
I went through hell and high water with my hubby until he *finally* got into the 401 and dipping. He never did take to the cartomizers though. Go figure..
I went through hell and high water with my hubby until he *finally* got into the 401 and dipping. He never did take to the cartomizers though. Go figure..
Bluesuede, had my parents been 70 I honestly don't think I'd even try any more. Thankfully my mum hasn't hit 50 yet, and my dad just has - but he loves his gadgets and gizmos, so I'm -hoping- they'll take to it.
I'll put my order in for a 510 kit today, browse some of the links for e-Liquids (thanks for all of those!!) and read up on the KR808D.
Thanks again for all the information and input, I'll try and remember to dig this thread back up in December with an update on whether or not the present was appreciated.
I'll put my order in for a 510 kit today, browse some of the links for e-Liquids (thanks for all of those!!) and read up on the KR808D.
Thanks again for all the information and input, I'll try and remember to dig this thread back up in December with an update on whether or not the present was appreciated.
Ah, yes... didn't think of that! Thank you
Will get my husband to try them once they arrive =)
Will get my husband to try them once they arrive =)
Go with the KR808-D cartomizer setup instead. Absolutely foolproof; 3-piece models have a significant learning curve. I'm going on 3 months with my 510 and still don't know what the hell I'm doing
Right... New list at the moment, and think this is what we'll be sticking with
The 510:
The KR808D-1:
Hoping to be able to get a variety of flavours this way to let them try and figure out what they'd prefer before buying the bigger bottles.
The 510:
- 3 Batteries (2 auto + 1 manual)
- 3 Atomizers
- Charger
- 5x Blank Cartridges
- 2x 10ml Liquid
The KR808D-1:
- 2 Batteries (auto)
- 5x Cartridges + Atomizers
- Charger
- 4x 5ml Liquid
Hoping to be able to get a variety of flavours this way to let them try and figure out what they'd prefer before buying the bigger bottles.
Elvira--That looks like a nice shopping list. The only comment I have is that I'm wondering about the auto batteries for the KR808D-1. I haven't heard much about the auto batteries, and it seems as if most of the good things I've heard about these models are from people with the manual batteries. I don't have a good feel for it one way or another, so I simply raise it as an issue you might want to explore . . . or then again, maybe not.
Frankly, you've put more work and research into this purchase than most potential vapers put in on their own behalf. You're a good daughter.
Frankly, you've put more work and research into this purchase than most potential vapers put in on their own behalf. You're a good daughter.
Do a little more research on the "automatic" vs "manual" batteries. I found the automatics to be not consistent in producing vapor, and I usually had to take a primer puff before the next puff to get vapor.
The manual produces vapor on every hit (assuming you've still got juice in the cart). It's true that in the car, the automatics are less distracting, but are your parents driving long stretches a lot? I would never buy another automatic on purpose. They just need more refinement to make them dependable.
The manual produces vapor on every hit (assuming you've still got juice in the cart). It's true that in the car, the automatics are less distracting, but are your parents driving long stretches a lot? I would never buy another automatic on purpose. They just need more refinement to make them dependable.
I recently got a 510 starter kit for a local guy. He is 61 has emphysema and really wants this to work. I've had him over to my house several times showing him this and that and have had several phone conversations. I still feel bad because he isn't getting it. I've told him GO TO THE FORUM.. CHECK OUT THIS JUICE.. a list of this and that and it's still not working. I think he is running dry attys, so I build him a fish plug cart, he calls me and tells me it turned black after a day or two. **shakes her head** moral of the story is, there is a huge learning curve on these that some people just aren't getting. Keep who you are shopping for in mind, and sometimes that means a simple cartomizer system (or no e-cig at all).
Why did I think your parents were 70? Duh! My bad! That makes you just a baby!
The reason I went with a manual battery on the KR808D-1 is because it comes with the kit. I've come across 1 reasonably prices kit that allows you a choice of auto or manual, but they're out of stock.
I'm thinking about getting the kit as stands, just to get them to try it over Christmas. If they show any signs of liking it and using it for more than a day I'll put in a order with healthcabin (came across it several times on this site, so assume it isn't a bad site to go with) and get some auto batteries separate + whatever else they want me to stock up on.
Now I'm with the fun of choosing flavours. Right now they smoke a brand called 'Kornet', I have no idea if it's Dutch only and def. don't know what it 'tastes' like. To be on the safe side I think that tabacco wise I'll get a combination of small bottles to try (obviously all renamed)...
1x Marlboro
1x Camel
1x R4Y
1x Dunhill
1x Virginia Blend (doesn't say a different name, apparently cigar like)
There surely must be something in there that will come near what they smoke now? Guess we'll find out!
Extra flavours I'm thinking:
1x Strawberry
1x Melon
1x Menthol
If you were to 'refill' the cartridges in the KR808D-1, I'm assuming this will need to be with the same flavour - correct? Does the same go for blanks, do they keep their flavour after using once and will mix nastily if you try a different liquid on the same cartridge?
I'm thinking about getting the kit as stands, just to get them to try it over Christmas. If they show any signs of liking it and using it for more than a day I'll put in a order with healthcabin (came across it several times on this site, so assume it isn't a bad site to go with) and get some auto batteries separate + whatever else they want me to stock up on.
Now I'm with the fun of choosing flavours. Right now they smoke a brand called 'Kornet', I have no idea if it's Dutch only and def. don't know what it 'tastes' like. To be on the safe side I think that tabacco wise I'll get a combination of small bottles to try (obviously all renamed)...
1x Marlboro
1x Camel
1x R4Y
1x Dunhill
1x Virginia Blend (doesn't say a different name, apparently cigar like)
There surely must be something in there that will come near what they smoke now? Guess we'll find out!
Extra flavours I'm thinking:
1x Strawberry
1x Melon
1x Menthol
If you were to 'refill' the cartridges in the KR808D-1, I'm assuming this will need to be with the same flavour - correct? Does the same go for blanks, do they keep their flavour after using once and will mix nastily if you try a different liquid on the same cartridge?
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