***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***

[zoiDman]

No. As written the law is talking about Nicotine delivery, and the things associated with that, like replacement carts. Items sold which are part of the loaded with nicotine item. No Nicotine, its not an item. Because the language specifically uses the definition of a tobacco product, the one they cite, is next to the definitions of Tobacco paraphernalia.

By the writing of this law currently, it does not cover Tobacco Paraphernalia, which makes sense, because they can not, and/or at least have not banned, an empty tobacco pipe. As written, and it makes sense, all empty APV hardware is exempted. Not saying this attempt is not a nasty bill being attempted, just saying what it cannot do.

I cited the exact language used in the definition.

I showed the Wording of this Bill to an Attorney with regards to how the Bill Defines an e-Cigarette.

He laughed and called it "Carpet Bombing". And pointed out how the word "or" was used and Not the word "And".

His Interpretation of the wording, "or liquids used with the device." did Not omit 0mg e-liquids.

 

[MD_Boater]

Time to pull out the heavy artillery. Lets take up a collection and hire a rent a mob to "occupy" the CA state house. I work, so no time to protest, but I'll gladly kick in $20 to pay someone to do it for me for 2 hours.

 

[tombaker]

I showed the Wording of this Bill to an Attorney with regards to how the Bill Defines an e-Cigarette.

He laughed and called it "Carpet Bombing". And pointed out how the word "or" was used and Not the word "And".

His Interpretation of the wording, "or liquids used with the device." did Not omit 0mg e-liquids.

I believe he would agree that it has to be a "nicotine delivery device", so if there was no nicotine, as in a MOD or a clearomizer, its outside. If its an E-Juice, its inside. I would think that zero nicotine, does not pass the first test or what it is.

Because its interstate commerce, does shipping from outside of California count? Or is it just inside of California. I thought that is the whole reason why they can not collect internet taxes on stuff from outside state. Its a legal product being shipped through the Federal postal system. States right to ban inside state shipping, but is it not a federal issue otherwise?

 

[Rimau]

What I can't figure out is: if this is supposed to "protect kids" then how are they buying them on the internet? Do they all have credit cards in their own name? Where the heck are the parents? Why should adults be penalized because some idiots won't supervise their children better. On the other hand, CA has no jurisdiction in other states so they can't prosecute anyone outside CA. Are they going to examine every piece of mail? I don't think so. They already have a section on the state income tax form that wants you to declare any amount you spent through the internet and didn't pay CA tax, so they can levy that tax on you. I have never heard of anyone declaring anything. They should just fine the heck out of anyone that lets their kids buy or use ecigs that are under 18. They have so many laws in CA it is not funny. They think we are all too stupid to do the right thing, so they have to make us with laws. Like the senator that was anti-gun, he was found to have one in his home, and when asked about it, he said something like "well, its ok for me to have one, I just don't think anyone else should have a gun" -- idiot. and corrupt.

 

[zoiDman]

I believe he would agree that it has to be a "nicotine delivery device"...

And why would this be so?

 

[Equality 7-2521]

It has absolutlly nothing to do with protecting our children....these are the same political class that send our children to idiotic wars and use them like cannon fodder, this is the same political class that takes money from mexican drug cartels to insure the border stays open so the mexican drug cartels can sell drugs to our children.this is the same political class that destroys the economy of our children to the benifit of their campagin donors.....This is tyranny and oppression, it cannot be reasoned with or debated only exposed for what it is, and stopped.

What I can't figure out is: if this is supposed to "protect kids" then how are they buying them on the internet? Do they all have credit cards in their own name? Where the heck are the parents? Why should adults be penalized because some idiots won't supervise their children better. On the other hand, CA has no jurisdiction in other states so they can't prosecute anyone outside CA. Are they going to examine every piece of mail? I don't think so. They already have a section on the state income tax form that wants you to declare any amount you spent through the internet and didn't pay CA tax, so they can levy that tax on you. I have never heard of anyone declaring anything. They should just fine the heck out of anyone that lets their kids buy or use ecigs that are under 18. They have so many laws in CA it is not funny. They think we are all too stupid to do the right thing, so they have to make us with laws. Like the senator that was anti-gun, he was found to have one in his home, and when asked about it, he said something like "well, its ok for me to have one, I just don't think anyone else should have a gun" -- idiot. and corrupt.

 

[zoiDman]

It has absolutlly nothing to do with protecting our children....these are the same political class that send our children to idiotic wars and use them like cannon fodder, this is the same political class that takes money from mexican drug cartels to insure the border stays open so the mexican drug cartels can sell drugs to our children.this is the same political class that destroys the economy of our children to the benifit of their campagin donors..... This is tyranny and oppression, it cannot be reasoned with or debated only exposed for what it is, and stopped.

Yeah... Tyranny and Oppression.

So how do We Stop It?

 

[Jman8]

Yeah... Tyranny and Oppression.

So how do We Stop It?

Revolution?

 

[navigator2011]

Revolution?

A better idea: Talk radio.

I emailed AB 1500 to Rush about an hour ago. I know he used to smoke, and he seems to have a favorable view of ecigs, so maybe he can help spead a more positive light on vaping.

 

[Atchafalaya]

A better idea: Talk radio.

I emailed AB 1500 to Rush about an hour ago. I know he used to smoke, and he seems to have a favorable view of ecigs, so maybe he can help spead a more positive light on vaping.

Now you are talkin'!!!!!!!

 

[Mohamed]

What I can't figure out is: if this is supposed to "protect kids" then how are they buying them on the internet? Do they all have credit cards in their own name? Where the heck are the parents? Why should adults be penalized because some idiots won't supervise their children better. On the other hand, CA has no jurisdiction in other states so they can't prosecute anyone outside CA. Are they going to examine every piece of mail? I don't think so. They already have a section on the state income tax form that wants you to declare any amount you spent through the internet and didn't pay CA tax, so they can levy that tax on you. I have never heard of anyone declaring anything. They should just fine the heck out of anyone that lets their kids buy or use ecigs that are under 18. They have so many laws in CA it is not funny. They think we are all too stupid to do the right thing, so they have to make us with laws. Like the senator that was anti-gun, he was found to have one in his home, and when asked about it, he said something like "well, its ok for me to have one, I just don't think anyone else should have a gun" -- idiot. and corrupt.

If you happened to watch the news clip that was posted earlier on in this thread there is guy (not sure if he's under 18 or not) but saying kids easily have access to their parents credit cards and order stuff all the time. Another guy says there's a convenient store on every corner there is no reason to buy tobacco products online. News caster said even the smokers agree with the bill. There were several other idiots making other fairly idiotic statements.

Clearly the masses don't know what the bill contains in it's entirety or if they do know it's about e-cigs they simply believe it's the disposable ones bought at the convenient store around the corner.

Let me try to find that news clip that someone posted earlier...
California bill would ban online tobacco sales | Local News - KSBW Home
Video Clip for that is on (this will open your eyes as to what the media and public perception is)
Bill aims to ban online tobacco sales | Local News - KSBW Home

Watch that and you'll have an idea of what the majority of the public currently thinks about the bill. You need a PR campaign to educate the public as to what the bill is actually about.

 

[Atchafalaya]

Ok, time to start a things to do list......with bullets of course. I teach technology to people with NO skills, so, with that said, EVERY Vaper needs to know exactly what to do.
Sample:
--Create Twitter Account (paste link here)
--Send "tweets" to reps (paste link here)
--Join CASAA.org (paste link here)
Get the idea?

 

[zoiDman]

Revolution?

I was thinking more like Throwing the Tea into the Harbor.

 

[Atchafalaya]

Ok, time to start a things to do list......with bullets of course. I teach technology to people with NO skills, so, with that said, EVERY Vaper needs to know exactly what to do.
Sample:
--Create Twitter Account (paste link here)
--Send "tweets" to reps (paste link here)
--Join CASAA.org (paste link here)
Get the idea?

My point being, we are missing out on a lot of older people that have smoked their whole lives and have benefited from PV's that are not technology savvy enough to know exactly what they need to do in order to help fight the good fight.

 

[vaperature]

How do they enforce that even inside the US? How do they actually stop someone in CA from buying online from a store in another state? I don't get it.

Where there's a will there's a way. Illinois stopped Amazon from partnering with anyone from the state for years. Amazon just recently began partnering with private vendors in Illinois again, within the last few weeks I think, after several years.

 

[zoiDman]

Ok, time to start a things to do list......with bullets of course. I teach technology to people with NO skills, so, with that said, EVERY Vaper needs to know exactly what to do.
Sample:
--Create Twitter Account (paste link here)
--Send "tweets" to reps (paste link here)
--Join CASAA.org (paste link here)
Get the idea?

Yeah... Here's an Idea.

Go back and find All those Studies and Positive Articles which site some MD or Professor of _______ and make a list of their Names. Just about anyone with a Title will do. Like your personal Doctor or Dentist.

Then try to find an e-Mail for them and ask them to write a Brief Comment in Opposition to CA AB-1500 so you can Forward it to Members of the CAL Legislature.

 

[Jman8]

Watch that and you'll have an idea of what the majority of the public currently thinks about the bill. You need a PR campaign to educate the public as to what the bill is actually about.

Watched the video clip. And they had one line about eCigs and 95% was about buying those evil cigarettes online where kids can take their parents credit card to buy those evil things. Which, when you can buy them everywhere, seems like an easy bill to get passed, so we can help deal with those evil smoke things.

Pay no attention to the eCig products that are included in the bill and that are not sold everywhere. Let's just ignore that and only discuss that evil tobacco product that methinks even some vapers would be okay with if online sales for that were banned.

 

[Jman8]

I was thinking more like Throwing the Tea into the Harbor.

Is that not how revolutions are started?

 

[Atchafalaya]

Yeah... Here's an Idea.

Go back and find All those Studies and Positive Articles which site some MD or Professor of _______ and make a list of their Names. Just about anyone with a Title will do. Like your personal Doctor or Dentist.

Then try to find an e-Mail for them and ask them to write a Brief Comment in Opposition to CA AB-1500 so you can Forward it to Members of the CAL Legislature.

Are you being facetious? Even if you are, I'll do it. Whatever it takes.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Jeez there are some pretty sharp, and creative cookies on this board we put our heads together and I think we can throw a monkey wrench into their plans.

Yeah... Tyranny and Oppression.

So how do We Stop It?