***California Assembly bill to BAN SHIPMENT OF E CIGARETTES TO ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA***

[Berylanna]

Duplicate.

 

[Berylanna]

Your Update would be appreciated.

I have also Subscribed so thanks for the Link.

I posted what you get when you start clicking links to updates.

I can post an OLD update from a different bill so you can see what it looks like:

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[Jman8]

You're so right Kristin. He really understands the problem that Washington creates and it goes far beyond E Cigs. Basically Big Business has partnered with Government and I fear we will see that in the E Cig industry.

Was watching "The Aviator" (for my umpteenth time) during commercial breaks of NFL games yesterday and always like the scene at the end between Hughes (DiCaprio) and the Maine Senator (Alda). But also like the parts leading up to that. Anyway, there's the scene with Hughes and one of is advisors while in Hughes' factory and Hughes tells him to get some Senators on the payroll. The advisor asks, "You want us to bribe people in Congress?" And Hughes says, "No. No bribery. I want them bought. We are doing this the legal way."

Sends chills up your spine to consider that is perhaps exactly how government works at a particular level. The level where 'real' power and authority resides.

Not saying this is the first time ever I heard or considered this, but it is unusual that we hear that so blatantly put forth.

I also think if speaking honestly, if Congress was bought and paid for by ecig industry, and doing balancing act that amounted to never hurting ecig industry, we vaping consumers wouldn't mind that much.

 

[BuGlen]

{snip...}I also think if speaking honestly, if Congress was bought and paid for by eCig industry, and doing balancing act that amounted to never hurting eCig industry, we vaping consumers wouldn't mind that much.

[sarcasm]You mean to tell me that people will abandon core principles for what's in their best interest??? Tell me it ain't so!!![/sarcasm]

If you get what you want, and nobody you care about is adversely affected, then it generally doesn't matter how that goal was accomplished. This is human nature, after all.

 

[aikanae1]

I record Stossel's show so I can watch it. I wish more vapers watched it. It explains a lot about Big Government attitudes and how that impacts our own situation. Every time I watch the show I can see an analogy of what they are doing to control vapers and over-regulate the e-cig industry.

Politics are a big issue and one of the reasons more members don't cooperate with CASAA. It's an imediate turn off, just as reading every thread on taking action turn into partisan banter.

 

[BuGlen]

Politics are a big issue and one of the reasons more members don't cooperate with CASAA. It's an imediate turn off, just as reading every thread on taking action turn into partisan banter.

We are a diverse group of people here on ECF, and the same is true for the board of CASAA. While I agree that we need to limit the partisan remarks, I will say that some of them are unavoidable in the discussion of e-cig politics. You don't need to empathize with anyone who has an opposing ideology from your own, but understand that they will stand with you in this particular fight, and try not to be distracted by other factors.

 

[aikanae1]

Except that it's every thread.

 

[yankov.ilya]

I think, unfortunately AD-1500 will pass, just because most people think that e-cig is just different kind of cigaret and vaping is just a type of smoking, if they have any thoughts about this subject at all. So my only solution to this upcoming problem is to order lifetime supply of gear and juices, or become an authorized retailer.


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[Berylanna]

I think, unfortunately AD-1500 will pass, just because most people think that e-cig is just different kind of cigaret and vaping is just a type of smoking, if they have any thoughts about this subject at all. So my only solution to this upcoming problem is to order lifetime supply of gear and juices, or become an authorized retailer.


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....or a car capable of reaching South Shore Tahoe or Las Vegas.

Actually it is VERY common to talk them into AMENDING a bill rather than passing as-is and we have support now from CAADE, a respected professional group of professors etc.

Look for opinions from RESPECTED institutions on our side, they have been popping up in the last few months. Send THOSE since that is a lawyer's idea of 'evidence.' (Yes, I admit the anti-articles outnumber us but we need to show that they exist on our side too.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-smoking-ban-public-places.html#ixzz2qdpI7yTA

 

[mackman]

For those with an interest here is the process a bill must go through. http://clerk.assembly.ca.gov/BILLSLEGISLATURE/Leg_Procedure.pdf.
Keep in mind that the California Legislators guided by self interest, special interest groups, favors and the all mighty $ know all the ways to side step the process.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Politics are a big issue and one of the reasons more members don't cooperate with CASAA. It's an imediate turn off, just as reading every thread on taking action turn into partisan banter.

Except that it's every thread.

Pretty much .. .. although this thread is really designed to be political .. and it's posted in the right area ..

The common fiber that holds many together here on ECF is : distrust, apathy towards "the system", apathy towards "the Man", a dislike at times of anyone proposing an alternate viewpoint, "I'll give you my PV when you pry it from my etc" ..

The problem is, the system won't change .. so the key is working within the system ..

 

[DC2]

So we have those wanting to work within the system, and those wanting to change the system.
I can see that as a valid description of the situation.

I want to change the system.
But that's just me.

 

[Uncle Willie]

So we have those wanting to work within the system, and those wanting to change the system.
I can see that as a valid description of the situation.

I want to change the system.
But that's just me.

And I personally wish you good luck with that .. sincerely ..

Dickinson, the main focus of the thread .. comes from Cali District 7 .. with a voting population of 213,000 roughly registered voters .. he garnered 96,000 votes or about 70% of 138,157 votes that were actually cast .. so, all in all, not a super bad turnout .. better than half the voters actually voted .. cheers ..

However, in these type elections at the State level, turnout can and is dismally small in many instances .. and this is really where the Grass Roots grow .. to sway things ..

He serves as Banking and Finance Chairman, Budget Committee, Business, Professions and Consumer Protection Committee ..

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My only point is to change the system, you must be a part of the system being changed ..

 

[zoiDman]

California State Legislature—Bill Information

Subscribe to AB 1500.

UNLIKE the updates I got for SB648, THIS bill appears to have gotten an obfuscated status update that would tend to prevent contact to committees and showing up for hearings. Tomorrow I'm going to call my rep's office and ask for clarification of the "update"

Current "History" (the Status page doesn't tend to be useful):

I believe it goes to the Rules Committee Next.

 

[klynnn]

I wanted to change the system 20 yrs ago today we have the hope and change joke. The joke is you believe it!

 

[rothenbj]

Was watching "The Aviator" (for my umpteenth time) during commercial breaks of NFL games yesterday and always like the scene at the end between Hughes (DiCaprio) and the Maine Senator (Alda). But also like the parts leading up to that. Anyway, there's the scene with Hughes and one of is advisors while in Hughes' factory and Hughes tells him to get some Senators on the payroll. The advisor asks, "You want us to bribe people in Congress?" And Hughes says, "No. No bribery. I want them bought. We are doing this the legal way."

Sends chills up your spine to consider that is perhaps exactly how government works at a particular level. The level where 'real' power and authority resides.

Not saying this is the first time ever I heard or considered this, but it is unusual that we hear that so blatantly put forth.

I also think if speaking honestly, if Congress was bought and paid for by eCig industry, and doing balancing act that amounted to never hurting eCig industry, we vaping consumers wouldn't mind that much.

All you have to do is count the millionaires in Congress and the White House and see how many ever had jobs outside politics to know there's money in being a politician besides the salary.

 

[soba1]

I think, unfortunately AD-1500 will pass, just because most people think that e-cig is just different kind of cigaret and vaping is just a type of smoking, if they have any thoughts about this subject at all. So my only solution to this upcoming problem is to order lifetime supply of gear and juices, or become an authorized retailer.


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Don't give power to it yet with the typed or spoken word

 

[kristin]

Politics are a big issue and one of the reasons more members don't cooperate with CASAA. It's an imediate turn off, just as reading every thread on taking action turn into partisan banter.

How was my comment political or partisan? Stossel is Libertarian, but I didn't even bring that up. Government intrusion into our personal choices and overegulation are bipartisan issues affecting THR policies and that concerns vapers all along the political spectrum. Both of the controlling parties do it and those are the politics we are forced to confront on a daily basis. I just think Stossel's show is interesting in the sense that it shows how what is happening with e-cigs is part of a larger picture and similar things are happening to other groups of people, as well.

It's been quite some time since I've participated in specifically pointing to any one political party regarding vaping and I've done that purposely, exactly because of the complaints about partisan arguments. However, comments made by those who also happen to be CASAA members are beyond my control.

 

[Nerone]

Thinking about AB 1500 over the weekend has illuminated new dimensions of its awfulness.

It is a major assault on ex-smokers and horrendous public health policy.

In forcing ex-smoker vapers to buy only by personal presence at a brick and mortar store it will cause increased expense and loss of access to vaping supplies that will force them to revert to cigarette smoking.

An ex-smoker vaper living in an isolated area in Northern California who has relied exclusively on internet vendors because there are no brick and mortar stores for hundreds of miles will have no choice but to start smoking cigarettes bought at a local gas station.

AB 1500 represents a campaign in a War on Ex-Smokers.

There are 3.8 million smokers in California, all of whom can be effectively saved from smoking by vaping. AB 1500 not only threatens and punishes current ex-smoker vapers but will insure that millions of Californians will continue to kill themselves by smoking because Roger Dickinson has made it more difficult to quit smoking.

 

[Nerone]

I am going to hit the ground running tomorrow morning with calls to Roger Dickson and the members of whatever committee is going to hear AB 1500 on February 13.

My main questions for Roger Dickinson:

1. What committee is hearing AB 1500?
2. Where can a I find the data, assumptions, and calculations for your claim that AB 1500 will raise $24 million in tax revenue?
3. Is this bill being analyzed by the Legislative Analyst's Office? If so who is the chief analyst?
4. If not, why not? This is a bill offered as a revenue generator that has major health policy implications and deserves meticulous and thorough analysis.

My next stops will be the Legislative Analyst Office and then the offices of the committee members.

I think I will start with the minority members. A friend of mine who lobbied in Sacramento for years tells me that the minority party often has the sharpest analysis and critiques of a majority party bill.

It is not to be forgotten that Gov. Schwartzenegger vetoed a similar bill. That is an important point to cite in approaching Republican members of the committee.