Any chance Arnold will veto the bill?
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California Senate Bill 400 Amended (September 2) to Prohibit the Sale of E-Cigs
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I'd recommend Thousands of written letters via CERTIFIED MAIL
You can bet those against e-cigs are using that as well as personal appearances!
I think there is a good chance. The vote was so close 16 to 14. And it was passed under the radar, and was changed at the very last minute.
The original bill was to stop sales to minors. The final bill is to stop sales to everyone.
It is definitely worth a shot to try and get your thoughts to the Governor.
I wish the people of CA the best. Your state will be a seeding ground for others if its allowed. Others outside the state can email his office too!
We may not be voters there, but it shows you are not alone in the fight.
We may not be voters there, but it shows you are not alone in the fight.
We in CA need all the help we can get with bringing our opposition to SB 400 to the attention of the Gov. Everyone: Please email, mail, fax or telephone a comment opposing SB 400. It can be as simple as saying "Please oppose SB 400." Or, you can write a letter.
Link to send email: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger - Interact
Snail mail at top of letter.
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-558-3160 ( new number )
Here is a form letter I put together, with the help of several people on RTV & VF. Feel free to use it as is or with your own changes.
Please post on other boards you visit! I'm posting it on RTV and VF.
Thanks to everyone who helped on this!
Note: I'm sorry the links didn't show up, ECF seems to not like vapers club.com, that's where all that information is.
So, if you cut & paste, please fix or delete the links. I didn't realize they were banned here too. I took out the vapers forum links and replaced them with other links thinking that would work out. Sorry.
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
September 19, 2009
Re: SB 400
Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
I am writing to oppose SB 400, initially introduced as an energy bill. From the original text: “44272. (a) The Alternative and Renewable Fuel and Vehicle Technology Program is hereby created.” Seven amendments later, it ended up being a bill to ban electronic cigarettes. No reference to energy is even in the final version. “Energy: green vehicles” morphed into “tobacco.” Then, somewhere along the way, the electronic cigarette was defined as a tobacco substitute, next, that was stricken and the bill now will “authorize action to halt the sale, distribution, or offering for sale of electronic cigarettes…”
SB 400 will take a freedom away from the people of CA and should be immediately vetoed.
It is your responsibility to protect the freedom of thousands of Californians who have chosen the electronic cigarette (e-cig) as an alternative to burning traditional tobacco cigarettes. Allowing SB 400 to become law will drive many people who have become tobacco free back to using tobacco products. Ex-smokers will become smokers again.
There have been many studies done on e-cigs, including an FDA study, which showed (if you take the next step and compare e-cigs to a tobacco cigarette) that the e-cig is much safer than smoking tobacco and generally has the same amount of TSNAs (tobacco specific nitrosamines) as the FDA approved NRT products. Their finding of approximately 1% DEG (diethylene glycol) shows the need for better quality control in manufacturing. Please note: DEG is found in tobacco cigarettes too. Other testing shows that the effects of nicotine on the human body are generally no worse than caffeine.
E-cigs should remain on the market and legal for adults to purchase while complete testing is done and submitted to the FDA for approval. They are a reduced harm product and do not fall clearly into any category the FDA has set up for regulation. With technology comes innovation. Laws take time to catch up. Please do not put the e-cig into a black market status! The FDA will not be able to approve these without lengthy testing and research. To date, the FDA has not banned them. California law should not supersede the FDA without any evidence they do any harm.
E-cigs are a tobacco alternative and many choose them as a healthier way to deal with their nicotine addiction. They are not inhaling the 4000+ chemicals found in a burning tobacco cigarette. Existing NRT products have not worked for the people who are using e-cigs. E-cigs are keeping them away from burning tobacco.
More information is available at
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartr...t21-Oct-08.pdf
http://www.***************/factsaboutpvs.html
http://www.***************/vapersclubdotcompamphlet.pdf
http://www.***************/pg.html
Please veto SB 400. E-cigs, for many users, are the only thing keeping them away from smoking tobacco cigarettes. Please do not take this choice away!
Respectfully submitted,
Link to send email: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger - Interact
Snail mail at top of letter.
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-558-3160 ( new number )
Here is a form letter I put together, with the help of several people on RTV & VF. Feel free to use it as is or with your own changes.
Please post on other boards you visit! I'm posting it on RTV and VF.
Thanks to everyone who helped on this!
Note: I'm sorry the links didn't show up, ECF seems to not like vapers club.com, that's where all that information is.
So, if you cut & paste, please fix or delete the links. I didn't realize they were banned here too. I took out the vapers forum links and replaced them with other links thinking that would work out. Sorry.
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
September 19, 2009
Re: SB 400
Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
I am writing to oppose SB 400, initially introduced as an energy bill. From the original text: “44272. (a) The Alternative and Renewable Fuel and Vehicle Technology Program is hereby created.” Seven amendments later, it ended up being a bill to ban electronic cigarettes. No reference to energy is even in the final version. “Energy: green vehicles” morphed into “tobacco.” Then, somewhere along the way, the electronic cigarette was defined as a tobacco substitute, next, that was stricken and the bill now will “authorize action to halt the sale, distribution, or offering for sale of electronic cigarettes…”
SB 400 will take a freedom away from the people of CA and should be immediately vetoed.
It is your responsibility to protect the freedom of thousands of Californians who have chosen the electronic cigarette (e-cig) as an alternative to burning traditional tobacco cigarettes. Allowing SB 400 to become law will drive many people who have become tobacco free back to using tobacco products. Ex-smokers will become smokers again.
There have been many studies done on e-cigs, including an FDA study, which showed (if you take the next step and compare e-cigs to a tobacco cigarette) that the e-cig is much safer than smoking tobacco and generally has the same amount of TSNAs (tobacco specific nitrosamines) as the FDA approved NRT products. Their finding of approximately 1% DEG (diethylene glycol) shows the need for better quality control in manufacturing. Please note: DEG is found in tobacco cigarettes too. Other testing shows that the effects of nicotine on the human body are generally no worse than caffeine.
E-cigs should remain on the market and legal for adults to purchase while complete testing is done and submitted to the FDA for approval. They are a reduced harm product and do not fall clearly into any category the FDA has set up for regulation. With technology comes innovation. Laws take time to catch up. Please do not put the e-cig into a black market status! The FDA will not be able to approve these without lengthy testing and research. To date, the FDA has not banned them. California law should not supersede the FDA without any evidence they do any harm.
E-cigs are a tobacco alternative and many choose them as a healthier way to deal with their nicotine addiction. They are not inhaling the 4000+ chemicals found in a burning tobacco cigarette. Existing NRT products have not worked for the people who are using e-cigs. E-cigs are keeping them away from burning tobacco.
More information is available at
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartr...t21-Oct-08.pdf
http://www.***************/factsaboutpvs.html
http://www.***************/vapersclubdotcompamphlet.pdf
http://www.***************/pg.html
Please veto SB 400. E-cigs, for many users, are the only thing keeping them away from smoking tobacco cigarettes. Please do not take this choice away!
Respectfully submitted,
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Oh, yeah - for those of you who didn't know this: if the guv doesn't veto this bill by Oct 11, it will automatically become law EVEN WITHOUT HIS SIGNATURE!!!!!
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I emailed the Governor, and if I did that twitter thing I would use that too. I will write a certified letter also. As a native 'cantaffordyan' I'm seriously looking to move, this state is so messed up!
I would have gotten out of CA long ago if it wasn't for that ultra convenient motorcycle lane-sharing privilege and the sheer perfect weather.
Here's another interesting factoid regarding this bill:
"When first introduced in February, Corbetts bill made the manufacture of California green vehicles eligible for subsidies. It passed the Senate in that form but was gutted and changed in the Assembly on June 23 to ban electronic cigarettes."
Electronic Cigarettes: Are They A Menace to Minors? at californiascapitol.com
So... originally this bill was to help green vehicles and now bans nicotine vaporizers. Gotta love our political system!
"When first introduced in February, Corbetts bill made the manufacture of California green vehicles eligible for subsidies. It passed the Senate in that form but was gutted and changed in the Assembly on June 23 to ban electronic cigarettes."
Electronic Cigarettes: Are They A Menace to Minors? at californiascapitol.com
So... originally this bill was to help green vehicles and now bans nicotine vaporizers. Gotta love our political system!
Understand and agree. I've thought of leaving the State, myself.
But then it hit me -- this is MY home, and it is the home of all of us Californians. And there is nothing wrong with California that throwing out all the politicians who destroyed this State, won't fix. So, if someone has to leave, it should be them! Let's quit running away and stand to fight for our State, because if we don't, soon there will be nowhere left for us to run to.
I always find it fascinating how the ECA and SE are always usually quoted in the same paragraph. Fitting I guess.
"The Electronic Cigarette Association, an industry trade group, says its products are aimed only at smokers of legal age and that flavor preferences are universal and not age-specific.
Smoking Everywhere, a Florida-based maker of what it calls an E-Cig describes its product this way on its website:"
Sun
"The Electronic Cigarette Association, an industry trade group, says its products are aimed only at smokers of legal age and that flavor preferences are universal and not age-specific.
Smoking Everywhere, a Florida-based maker of what it calls an E-Cig describes its product this way on its website:"
Sun
Well, I see all the links were taken out of the letter to Schwarzenegger completely. That's a shame, vapers club is where the info is. I had nothing to do with that though, so can't be helped. The name of the pamphlet that was removed is vapers club dot com pamphlet without the spaces. What a shame a forum feud is affecting our attempts to get this legislation vetoed. I'm not even referencing the other forum! Hopefully CASAA will have all this info compiled soon!
I was also asked by a mod to refrain from contacting people on this forum about this issue, so if you read this and know someone from CA, make sure they know that if Governor Schwarzenegger doesn't veto this thing by Oct 11, it will become law. Action will be taken to halt the sale of electronic cigarettes in CA. Request your family and friends to become involved.
The more Veto SB 400 messages that are seen in Sacramento, the better chance we have of at least having electronic cigarettes stricken from this otherwise redundant legislation - all it does besides ban e-cigs is repeat existing legislation and calls agents of the Public Heath Department Peace Officers while conducting enforcement activities. That scares me.
So, I'll back off and wait. I've done what I can at this point.
Thanks to everyone who contacted the governor's office.
Kamanjah
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I was also asked by a mod to refrain from contacting people on this forum about this issue, so if you read this and know someone from CA, make sure they know that if Governor Schwarzenegger doesn't veto this thing by Oct 11, it will become law. Action will be taken to halt the sale of electronic cigarettes in CA. Request your family and friends to become involved.
The more Veto SB 400 messages that are seen in Sacramento, the better chance we have of at least having electronic cigarettes stricken from this otherwise redundant legislation - all it does besides ban e-cigs is repeat existing legislation and calls agents of the Public Heath Department Peace Officers while conducting enforcement activities. That scares me.
So, I'll back off and wait. I've done what I can at this point.
Thanks to everyone who contacted the governor's office.
Kamanjah
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Here again is a link to the bill:
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/sen/sb_0351-0400/sb_400_bill_20090902_amended_asm_v92.pdf
Sun
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/sen/sb_0351-0400/sb_400_bill_20090902_amended_asm_v92.pdf
Sun
Here is the link to the version on the gov's desk
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/sen/sb_0351-0400/sb_400_bill_20090915_enrolled.pdf
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/sen/sb_0351-0400/sb_400_bill_20090915_enrolled.pdf
It is fascinating, but I don't see how it's fitting. Especially considering the ECA has nothing to do with SE and vice versa.
You will also notice in the original text it is clearly two paragraphs, not one as you have noted...
"The Electronic Cigarette Association, an industry trade group, says its products are aimed only at smokers of legal age and that flavor preferences are universal and not age-specific.
Smoking Everywhere, a Florida-based maker of what it calls an E-Cig describes its product this way on its website"
From what I can see, that vapers club group is based in NY and they've got their own problems on the East Coast.
I can't post links yet, but if you go to NorthJersey dit com today and look for the link that says, "Health board wants to stamp out e-cigs ", you'll see that the East Coast is having it's own war for e cigs -- this time in the Paramus area.
The FDA has everyone freaked out over e cigs. Ad that to the trade issues that we are having with China, and it isn't a pretty mix.
No--I am going to stick with fitting as these two entities have roles each in their own way. Ohh, yes, you are right Lacey, they were not in the same paragraph, rather they where one sentence after the next---
Sorry for the big error-
Sun
Just keeping you on your toes
Here is the article that Kmel is mentioning: NorthJersey.com: Health board wants to stamp out e-cigs
Good find Kmel. This is definitely something that if you live in the area and can get in to see these people, I have a ton of information that I can help you put together. Just PM me and I will be happy to start you on your way.
This is fascinating...seems we have government, trade issues with China, and the tobacco industry all poised for a perfect storm to stamp out ecigs!
Is there anyone in the US making ecigs? Why is China the only source?
Is there anyone in the US making ecigs? Why is China the only source?
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I live in California and I do not want to see them ban the e-cig. However, I won't fret over it either. I'll do what I did while living in NYC and cigarettes there were $70.00 a carton. Before I started buying from the Native American sellers in the U.S., I bought my cigarettes from overseas retailers. I never had a problem. Even if there is a national ban on them, overseas sellers will still ship to the U.S. They are shrewd and ship with non-identifibale packaging, and under different comany names. If my analogs got through customs for years, I'm sure my e-cig supplies will also...
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