California Vaping Ban

[iVapeDIY]

In surprise move, California governor proposes ban on vaping, similar to Trump's planned policy

The Democratic governor of California launched a plan Monday that is eerily similar to a plan devised one week ago by Republican President Donald Trump. Both plans aim to eradicate widespread usage of flavored e-cigarettes, or vaping, by underage citizens.​

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• California Gov. Gavin Newsom takes executive action on vaping and e-cigarettes

• https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-16/new-york-california-ban-some-e-cigarettes

 

[VHRB2014]

Thank God I can tell Commiefornia to KMA! Newsome is a worm.

 

[Myrany]

That California would go this route is no surprise at all. I am just surprised they didn't do it years ago.

 

[Pinggolfer]

I doubt Newsome would ban ecigs from illegals. Now that's going too far for him.

 

[CaveFurby]

Wow. Just wow. Soon enough the whole left-coast will join in, and let's not forget Colorado!

 

[icepickmaker84]

Syringe exchange, yes. vaping, NO. Makes sense?

 

[zoiDman]

"Newsom said he supports banning all flavored vaping products, but has been advised that he does not have the legal authority to do so without legislative action. The governor said he plans to work with state lawmakers next year to outlaw the products."

California Gov. Gavin Newsom takes executive action on vaping and e-cigarettes

Empty Drum Beating for the Purpose of Headline Clicks.

Because Next Year the FDA's Drop Dead Date is going to happen. And e-Cigarettes are going to fall under the Sword of Damocles.

So it Isn't really going to matter.

 

[Myrany]

"Newsom said he supports banning all flavored vaping products, but has been advised that he does not have the legal authority to do so without legislative action. The governor said he plans to work with state lawmakers next year to outlaw the products."

California Gov. Gavin Newsom takes executive action on vaping and e-cigarettes

Empty Drum Beating for the Purpose of Headline Clicks.

Because Next Year the FDA's Drop Dead Date is going to happen. And e-Cigarettes are going to fall under the Sword of Damocles.

So it Isn't really going to matter.

Yeah all the new bans and stuff has sort of had a surreal beating the dead horse feel to me this past week or so.

 

[Georgia Boy]

OMG so sad that all these half wit Gov's are following along like lemmings, I just thought they were rats

 

[Myrany]

OMG so sad that all these half wit Gov's are following along like lemmings, I just thought they were rats

Rats desert a sinking ship these guys are piling on to sink it faster

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah all the new bans and stuff has sort of had a surreal beating the dead horse feel to me this past week or so.

Hey but you get to stand up there with the State Seal on the Podium and that Used Car Salesman Smile telling the Uninformed Masses how you are Tirelessly Working to Protect them from all the Evils of the World.

Be them Real or Misleading.

That is the Cheese that Few Politicians in today's age can pass up.

BTW - Did our friend Mr. Newsom happen to mention when he is going to Release the CA Department of Health Data that Quantitatively shows there will be a Significant Improvement in Public Health if e-Cigarette Legislation are enacted?

Or, for that matter, ANY Scientific Data from Previous or Ongoing Studies showing that Flavors Bans have a Meaningful Effect on Teen Use?

BTW2 - Did he also Mention what CA Regulations are in Place for Diluting or "Cutting" Agents in the CA Cannabis Market?

BTW3 - Did he Also Mention how many Californians (both Republican and Democratic) Died from Smoking on the day he gave this Statement?

 

[Georgia Boy]

BTW3 - Did he Also Mention how many Californians (both Republican and Democratic) Died from Smoking on the day he gave this Statement?[/QUOTE]

Yes he did reply:

"I don't give a sh** Big Tobacco gives so much money in Taxes and more importantly, Donations, a lot more people should smoke" He went to say "Let's get more handout's, I know a vaping ban sounds good".

Or was this just a nightmare I had?

 

[MrStik]

From what I have seen, it seems like he is trying to get awareness out and put warnings and junk all over the place, which I am cool with. And they said next year, he is going to try to get legislation passed and if that is the case, wouldn't the FDA ruling just make that effort moot?

 

[AttyPops]

This was probably all decided a year ago, maybe more. Who knows. I wonder if there's an actual script, or if they just feed off of each other's leads like improv. Fodder for the masses.

They haven't broken the news to smokers yet that cigs will go bye-bye or be prescription only. And IDK how long it will take for that to happen (huge black market). But once cheaper heat-not-burn, patented, whatevers are widely available, kiss grass roots vaping and eventually cigs, goodbye. Or just taxed into oblivion. Either way. And the green-vapes too. Obviously needs more regulation, right?

It's already over. And no, they aren't stupid. Neither politicians nor the CDC are this oblivious. This is all show and script.

 

[ENAUD]

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This was probably all decided a year ago, maybe more. Who knows. I wonder if there's an actual script, or if they just feed off of each other's leads like improv. Fodder for the masses.

They haven't broken the news to smokers yet that cigs will go bye-bye or be prescription only. And IDK how long it will take for that to happen (huge black market). But once cheaper heat-not-burn, patented, whatevers are widely available, kiss grass roots vaping and eventually cigs, goodbye. Or just taxed into oblivion. Either way. And the green-vapes too. Obviously needs more regulation, right?

It's already over. And no, they aren't stupid. Neither politicians nor the CDC are this oblivious. This is all show and script.

When the deeming dropped I made a couple posts to the effect that this wall all a dog and pony show to kill the mom and pop industry and hand control of the nic demon back to BT. It was pure speculation on my part then, and now, but it is funny how this is all playing out to that very end game...BT plays the LOOONG GAME. They are in it to win it.

 

[ENAUD]

Isn't it ironic that this crap storm with folks are getting sick/dying from tainted vapes, whatever there containing, and IQOS gets their PMTA. You just can't make this stuff up

 

[AttyPops]

Just ask yourself:

Does picking on vaping when there's 400,000+ deaths per year from smoking make sense? No.
Hasn't BT pretty much proclaimed a "smoke free future"? (yes).
What's the trade off? What's the back room deal?

In exchange for eliminating cigs (eventually, long game) they get the nic market.

Simple. The rest is show.
We're all collateral damage.

It's not just BT. It's "the deal" (no/few cigs long term).
And the green will be heavily regulated too...because "tampering".

Think of all that, and all this nonsensical "show" makes sense. Including "tobacco flavors". They have to get rid of THE CIGS. They're paying off BT by giving them the vape market.

Best guess, and

 

[MrStik]

Just ask yourself:

Does picking on vaping when there's 400,000+ deaths per year from smoking make sense? No.
Hasn't BT pretty much proclaimed a "smoke free future"? (yes).
What's the trade off? What's the back room deal?

In exchange for eliminating cigs (eventually, long game) they get the nic market.

Simple. The rest is show.
We're all collateral damage.

It's not just BT. It's "the deal" (no/few cigs long term).
And the green will be heavily regulated too...because "tampering".

Think of all that, and all this nonsensical "show" makes sense. Including "tobacco flavors". They have to get rid of THE CIGS. They're paying off BT by giving them the vape market.

Best guess, and

I work in software that deals with the green stuff. And let me tell you how stringent the regulations are for that. If you are missing just any % of the weight unaccounted, then hefty fines and even losing their license.

 

[AttyPops]

I work in software that deals with the green stuff. And let me tell you how stringent the regulations are for that. If you are missing just any % of the weight unaccounted, then hefty fines and even losing their license.

Yeah, and that's just for starters. Wait until BT takes over your market, professionally. The regulations (that they'll manage to pass, but you probably won't) will be huge.

That's just how it works when Big-Corps own congress in an Oligarchy.

 

[MrStik]

Yeah, and that's just for starters. Wait until BT takes over your market, professionally. The regulations (they they'll manage to pass, but you won't) will be huge.

That's just how it works when Big-Corps own congress in an Oligarchy.

I am fine with that because that means more development, more consulting, and more support. All of which is billable for me. So I guess that can be seen as job and economic security.

But most of our larger customers are not in the US, so US BT can suck it.