Can Anyone Help a Confused Newbie?

[Mr.Darcy]

hello Jane.yeah im a night owl too. i know,people see you takin a drag of something and blowing vapour,and so assume youre smoking.not many people are actually aware of the existence of e-smoking.where you can use it-well,thats a bit of a grey area..technically you should be able to do it anywhere,but i dont think i could be bothered with the constant justifications and explainations to people who assume im smoking,so ive gotta be sneaky most of the time.who knows what will happen when it becomes more high profile..though knowing our government itll probably be lumped in with smoking and banned everywhere.maybe,maybe not.anyway,as for the which ecig question...well pillbox sells 3-a supermini(the smallest),a middle sized mini and a penstyle.i have the latter 2.both are good e-cigs for the money.the penstyle is more economical to run if you just use cartridges without topping up with liquid,as they last longer.the mini is a good smoke too,more authentic to smoke like a cigarette,maybe slightly more vapour.both are good for a beginner.the smallest(supermini) i have no experience of,but batteries and cartridges wont last as long between changes for it.i like my pen style and mini equally for different reasons.which do you think would suit you best?

 

[karenwest1961]

evirgin: since you posted a uk link in your opening thread, I'm assuming you are in the UK? And Trogg, that's why you recommend pillbox because he is also in the UK and can provide customer service? That's cool...but Trogg, none of your mess works...remember? You've got it posted all over the place here.

evirgin: You want a good e-smoking experience up front? Make a good investment and get a good product. It would really help if you went to the reviews forum and read a few threads first.

I cannot tell you how many mini's I got in a shoe box that ain't worth crap right now. And I've only been using e-cigs for a month and a half.

Do yourself a favor. Do your research. Read, read, READ this forum. And get yourself a good product with good customer service.

 

[trog100]

most of my "mess" works karen.. just not for long enough.. he he

and even if ruyan cigs work better for example .. they aint in my price league.. i would love to try one and see thow.. only out of curiosity just to see how they did it..

my thoughts as u probably know by now are.. "its a technology that aint quite there yet".. but its all we have at present..
trog

 

[Mr.Darcy]

with respect,i have had these particular devices from pillbox for going on 5 weeks and im using the same atomisers(havnt drysmoked these ones or let atomisers overheat) and batteries(sure i charge the batteries more often now,but thats to be expected).we all know that theres no guarantee that you get a reliable device if you spend more money-just read about all the njoy,kissbox and just about every other expensive brands problems if you have any doubts.its all a mixture of luck of the draw plus how you use them.i smoke mine constantly,treat them with respect,and have had no real problems.why spend a fortune on expensive devices when you have never even tried vaping,and besides,these particular ones are as good as the branded ones,and are inexpensive with cheap cartridges,and spares if you need them-which eventually you will with any device,and you get them within 2 days max from a trusted local supplier who will replace a faulty part no problem-bit like njoy,but you dont pay for the service in the price of the cig..£30 will get her a very decent e-cig with postage and cartridges into the bargain.then if she likes e-smoking,she can think about getting a kissbox(if they turn out to be as good long term as initial reviews),which is the only real innovative step these devices have taken,apart from the atomiser/cartridge combos which have not been getting good reviews-maybe one for the future.then she can use the cheaper one as a backup device-which im sure you agree we all need.the dse901 is widely regarded as a good mini ecig,and the rn4072 is a good penstyle.im sure i'll be enthusing about the kissbox when mine finally arrives,but for current technology entry level devices these are as good as they come in this country for the price.its up to her to decide i guess,but she did say that she didnt want to spend a lot at the moment,and im just giving her advice based on my personal experience with this supplier and his products.of course we all know experiences can vary even with the same brands and models...

 

[Evirgin]

1) I find it both odd and rude that on more than one occasion in this thread people have been speaking about me as though I wasn't here to read it.

2) Hello to everyone on E-cigarette-forum. (Maybe now I'll get a welcome of some sort ...)

3)

It would really help if you went to the reviews forum and read a few threads first.

Do yourself a favor. Do your research. Read, read, READ this forum.

Yes - I already did. However, it didn't answer my questions, it just threw up more questions. Hence my post.

Strange as it may seem, I don't write posts into forums for the good of my health, or for entertainment - I'm far too busy for that. If I could have got the answers I was looking for without registering in the forum, without posting and without participating, then I probably would have done just that.

However, my questions WEREN'T answered. One week it's the Sedansa that's the hot product; next it's the Njoy; next it's the Janty. Also, there are commercial concerns on here, so maybe not all reviews are equal or completely unbiased - caveat emptor and it pays to shop around, as they say.

Not only that, but I had discovered a number of other products before I came to this forum, and yet they have not been mentioned much - so obviously that was confusing.

Whatever. I hope you'll forgive me and indulge me, even if I should know better somehow.

If it's at all possible, I think it would be better etiquette if people held it in mind that the people they're speaking about are actually reading what they're writing, so probably not a great idea to talk about them as though they weren't here.

Likewise, it would be appreciated if people weren't too facetious or disdainful. I didn't think I had been rude or presumptuous, so I hope I didn't deserve any kind of negativity.

I don't know anything, and I'm the humble student.

To those who've been helpful - thank you very much.

Jane

 

[Mr.Darcy]

we are all trying to be helpful in our own ways Jane.what was said that annoyed you?everyone has their own experiences with these products,and are just giving their opinions and spending their own time in an effort to help you,as we assume you will read it.you started the post,but its a public forum,so you must expect indirect debate.it happens in most posts,its nothing personal.everyone has differing opinions on approach and product,because the truth is there is no right or wrong definitive answer for you.nobody has experience with every brand of e-cig,and these devices are fickle and inconsistent and at an early stage of evolution-thats just the way things are at the moment..and if you cant find the information you need on this forum,then it probably doesnt exist.i know theres a lot of conflicting and confusing information to filter,but ive told you what i think in an effort to help you from my own experience,and im not selling anything.i think the advice i gave you is good,but not everyone has to agree with my opinion,of course.

 

[Evirgin]

Mr D'Arcy,

I've been on chatrooms and user forums for 10 years now - so I think I have a fair idea of how they work.

I'm not used to the "she said this..." thing. I'm here and I'm reading - so I think it's appropriate to operate that way. In the same way that if you were in a circle of people at a party discussing something, and someone, let's say me, had brought a topic up, you wouldn't then "cross discuss it" over my head, pretending that I wasn't there.

Because that would be rude.

Referring to me as "she" is extremely rude in the way I've been brought up. My name is Jane or Evirgin - whichever you prefer. So, if people are discussing a point I've made, they might refer to me by name and behave as though I'm part of the conversation.

Don't ask me for specifics, because I don't want to forensically dissect the discussion. It's a feeling I get - and it's a strong one. The conversation is progressing as though I wasn't here reading it and being an equal participant.

Just a suggestion.

Jane

 

[jamie]

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[quirky]

My goodness Jane! People get sloppy and lazy when posting. They get caught up in the "conversation" they are having with others within another's post. By no means is it intentionally rude. Certainly not personal. As you have experience with forums then I am sure you will agree, posters come from all walks of life, experience, ages and educations levels. Some posters write beautifully and some do not.

This variance applies to "manners" as well. Some people are just more socially graceful than others. As you say you have little time for the social aspects of this forum, it is wise to ignore the perceived rudeness of others, and simply enjoy finding out what you can about electronic smoking.

In regards to your questions; I agree with Mr Darcy. There really is no definitive book of e-smoking.
From your comments it appears you would like someone to tell you what to buy. But as you have seen for yourself, there is a lot of variance between products and even amongst individual units of a particular brand, and user preference, that no one can tell you what is "best".

I also feel compelled to add - you say your questions have not been answered. You put this comment in all caps. Reading this seems rather demanding. How can one group of users answer every question you might have? If you have unanswered questions - try e-smoking and then contribute to the board so that other newbies will have the benefit of your experience.

 

[Evirgin]

I also feel compelled to add - you say your questions have not been answered. You put this comment in all caps. Reading this seems rather demanding.

All caps for the word "weren't" to emphasise the point that although I had already spent many hours on this forum reading reviews etc, I was actually becoming more confused. Hence the reason for my post.

Not being demanding at all. I think I started this thread by trying to be pretty clear about what I knew/didn't know, what my situation was and politely asking for any advice that people were able to give.

A lot of meaning gets lost in the purely text medium.

Evirgin

 

[karenwest1961]

If I offended you evirgin, my apologies. Was not my intention.

Just trying to save you money...as I have sunk a lot of LOTS of money into e-cigs without reading a particular thread first.
You know the old line, "you get what you pay for?" Yeah, I've learned that lesson a lot with my new e-smoking experience. I was just trying to help someone else.

I know nothing about pillboxes cigs and not bashing his either. I simply said, I assume she is from the UK which is why pillbox was recommended because of customer service. Customer service is all we've got going right now because basically our devices are somewhat disposable.

I am a little hurt because my post was completely taken out of context and I was only trying to help.

 

[trog100]

i also answered the question ages ago.. i even posted a link saying which one to buy and where to get it..

now if u (the topic starter) want to insult me and ignore my advice thats up to u but dont say it hasnt been given..

but the problems with all forums and i have used (and run) em more than anybody else in this particular one is the good information will always gets drowned out by the bad.. the person who asks the question has no way of sorting the wheat from the chaffs.. ten different answers helps nobody.. buts its par for the course..

everyone has an opinion and the right to speak it even the village idiot.. its a modern day tower of babel.. a million voices all crying to be heard and all drowning each other out..

the last thing i do is ever ask a question directly in a forum.. browse and read them and have enough good sense put all the good and bad information together and make use of it..

if u doubt my forum experience just type trog100 into google.. i have always used the same name for the last ten years..

if something in this particular thread has caused u offense.. the problem is with u not the forum..

u ask for help.. people have tried to give it.. be grateful.. say thank u..

trog

 

[sanneke]

Great post Trog.

I reread this thread, and I don't understand her criticism, she asked questions, posters tried to help her out.

What's wrong with that?

Karen, you did nothing wrong.

 

[TropicalBob]

Karen certainly did nothing wrong. Anyone else growing weary of newbie questions we've covered a dozen times on this forum? If they'll read the forum, they'll gain valuable insight into e-smoking and devices available. I think I'll answer with links from now on.

 

[shawnp1]

we were all once newbs and some of us in a rush dont think to scour the forum for previous post of the same. the only problem is since it is still very new an unknown there will b more an more people new to this an coming to us for help an advice. i do agree though that a litttle digging around on here an u could probably make your own cig from a toilet paper roll with all the info we got going on

 

[karenwest1961]

Shawn...I'm gonna feel like a newbie every day, man.

The more I read, the more products I use & the more money I spend. We're all on the same quest here and NOT ONE person has this thing "right" yet. The best CONCRETE electronic smoking answer we got for any newbie is where we can get the best customer service for the area that we are in. Other than that, we just need to experience the products and post our thoughts here and hope it helps.

And I agree with T-Bob about posting links. I think I'll do that as well. My .... is sore from getting it kicked.

 

[trog100]

one thing about forums is no matter how many stickies are put up or FAQs the same questions will get asked over and over again.. everything is said over and over again.. a long thread can explain it all and even before its finished the exact same question will get ask again..

forums are another of my addictions.. i cant keep away from whatever one is about my current "obsession".. the busier they get the worse they get.. good stuff just vanishes off the front page before it gets read.. this one is quite pleasant at the moment..

one thing i know 100% for sure is.. for every piece of good information there will be ten pieces of misinformation.. and the catch 22.. by the time the newbie is clever enough to sort the good from the bad they are clever enough not to have to ask the question..

the world and his dog have been given a public voice.. i reckon my tower of babel analogy is very apt..

trog

 

[Evirgin]

At the risk of repeating myself:

I spent many hours scouring this forum for information and reviews before I started this thread. I've already explained that I probably wouldn't have gone to the trouble of registering an account and posting, unless I really felt it was necessary.

I'm sure each of you knows that there is a new product every 5 minutes, and what was hot last week, isn't so hot this week.

I'm terribly sorry you all feel so aggrieved that I'm asking questions that have been asked hundreds of times before. It's not a static subject - things are changing all the time. I didn't know what to buy or where to buy it, even after upwards of 12 hours research, most of it on this forum.

I suppose if there was an upside, you might be pleased that you have a new "comrade". I'm beginning to get the feeling that we all probably can play a part in getting the word out about this so that we can "e-smoke" in public places, and so that enough traction is gained before the tobacco companies, big pharma and our varoius nanny states try to shut this thing down.

Jane

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hi everyone

Please don't stop posting at length. Speaking for myself, opinions ARE the facts on this forum. It's just too early in the day for universal truths about e-smoking to exist. Links are all very well, but I can get that from Google. The flavour comes from you guys...

Emp

 

[Mr.Darcy]

we arent aggrieved that you are asking questions.we are aggrieved (well i am)that when we tried to help you,you verbally attacked us like its our fault that there isnt any definitive answer to your question,only opinions.thats not our fault,thats the reality of the current situation regarding e-smoking.