Can I use flavors used in pastry in DYI e-juices?

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Something I don't see mentioned, make sure it's not a flavoring that is sweetened with sugar or corn syrup.
Many moons ago pretty much all we had was LorAnns (Bakery and Candy flavorings) or ....hmmm Sedmans ? and Tasty Puff.
Through the years more flavoring companies were routed out like TPA/TFA.
The biggest move was when Flavor Art in Italy developed their line for vapers - as they were vapers.
I had the privilege of meeting them back...maybe 2012.
 

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IDK if I'd be thrilled with that, but I don't know enough about ALL the flavors in the world and etc. So, it may or may not be okay. I've not had flavoring go opaque but maybe it's normal for bakery flavors?

Although I kind of feel bad asking you to be a guinea pig too... Do you have access at all to vape flavors? It really would be "suggested" in my opinion to start DIY with THOSE, honestly, if at all possible. I sort of feel like I'm guiding you in the wrong direction and I don't want your first DIY experience to be just this long drawn out horrible thing and etc. :(

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What I mean by opaque is something like the right bottle in this picture:

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Picture from: Cloudy/Opaque E-liquid ??? | ALL ABOUT E-CIGARETTES UK
I’m gonna say the flavor you added caused it and I’ve had some similiar. 10ml of flavor added to 25ml of juice is a lot and would certainly cause this. To answer your question of is this okay... It would depend on the reason why your juice is this “color” and in your situation I’d say, no it’s not okay. First determine if the flavoring is safe to vape. Then figure out the rest.
 

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What I mean by opaque is something like the right bottle in this picture:

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Picture from: Cloudy/Opaque E-liquid ??? | ALL ABOUT E-CIGARETTES UK

The flavor doesn't mix right, or if it does that by itself in the bottle it can be powerful. FA Anise is clear after it sits, can't see anything separated, shake it before you use it and it's like that, then what you use it on has that.
I think the spearmint doing it is because it has a light specific gravity, and it does separate in the recipe I use it in.
 

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Pour 10-20 cm of distilled/bottle water in a small crystal clear bowl. Place a drop of the flavor in question and observe in a well lighted area. If the drop completely disappears, the flavoring is probably ok to vape. If you see any trace of the flavoring floating on the top of the water in droplet form, chances are, you have a non soluble oil based flavor that I would not recommend you vape.
I did the experiment. Should the drop disappear immediately, or does it need some effort? I could see traces of floating things on the surface, but after some stirring it was gone or unnoticeable.

Actually I took a picture of my mixture (25ml brown juice + 10ml flavor):

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There are bubbles, although maybe not visible in this picture. But I'm sure you can see the top 2mm layer... The flavor itself is less opaque.
 

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I did the experiment. Should the drop disappear immediately, or does it need some effort? I could see traces of floating things on the surface, but after some stirring it was gone or unnoticeable.

Actually I took a picture of my mixture (25ml brown juice + 10ml flavor):

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There are bubbles, although maybe not visible in this picture. But I'm sure you can see the top 2mm layer... The flavor itself is less opaque.


That sure appears to be an oil.
What brand and flavor is it ?
 

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Water solubility is what I would look for. Years age, we used a simple test for oil in flavors. Pour 10-20 cm of distilled/bottle water in a small crystal clear bowl. Place a drop of the flavor in question and observe in a well lighted area. If the drop completely disappears, the flavoring is probably ok to vape. If you see any trace of the flavoring floating on the top of the water in droplet form, chances are, you have a non soluble oil based flavor that I would not recommend you vape.

I wouldn't say that, this is water on top of VG/nicotine.
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All floating means is a different specific gravity. Distilled water is 1.000, VG is 1.263, so water floats on it.
All the flavors shown here with less than 1.000 will float on water.
The Perfumer’s Apprentice Specific Gravity Weights – Flavor-Pro

I would say separation is a better determination of an oil and in an unknown flavor from a non-vaper centered flavor company it has too much possibility of being a lipid.
 

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It's a local brand that doesn't even have a website. There's a link to a blog on the bottle, which my browser says the page doesn't exist. lol.



Well...personally - I wouldn't use something from an unknown company...for baking or vaping.
 

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It's a local brand that doesn't even have a website. There's a link to a blog on the bottle, which my browser says the page doesn't exist. lol.

That fact that it clouds up when mixed would have me not trusting it.
It's not a for sure thing, mine with TFA Spearmint clouds and separates and I pretty much trust TFA and there's FA Anise that clouds up without being mixed with anything, and I really trust FA. But that local company probably doesn't have vaping in mind when they're making it.
 

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It's a local brand that doesn't even have a website. There's a link to a blog on the bottle, which my browser says the page doesn't exist. lol.

If it seems to be vaping okay it's my belief it's fine. I'd vape it... it's what you've got.

What you might like to do after this since you have a hook-up on nicotine is to order some flavorings and VG in known and trusted brands on the internet.

That will be expensive for you with shipping, but it will mean you know the quality of what your vaping in the future...

Those items are legal, so you won't get in trouble buying them.

You can sell some ejuice to recoup some cost if need be and possible without getting in trouble after you have good ingredients. (Dont risk jail but you know what I mean)
 
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If it seems to be vaping okay it's my belief it's fine. I'd vape it... it's what you've got.

What you might like to do after this since you have a hook-up on nicotine is to order some flavorings and VG in known and trusted brands on the internet.

That will be expensive for you with shipping, but it will mean you know the quality of what your vaping in the future...

Those items are legal, so you won't get in trouble buying them.

You can sell some ejuice to recoup some cost if need be and possible without getting in trouble after you have good ingredients. (Dont risk jail but you know what I mean)

I didn't notice @Asmani was from Iran.
If I was in that situation I'd wait to see if it separates, if it does then I wouldn't trust it. Vegatable oil is used to make flavors and that would be very bad to vape in any situation.

I recall being pretty surprised at some vape supply shipping from the EU to the Middle East before.
 

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Here we go...

At FastTech who offers free worldwide shipping they have 120ml bottles of VG.

$7.95 (Free Shipping) Authentic Kepler E-liquid for Electronic Cigarettes (120ml) (Vegetable Glycerin Flavor) at m.FastTech.com

A little high but free shipping evens that out a bit.

Then there is Capella Flavors who ships to Iran:

Flavors

For more flavors and companies who sell flavors you will want to do a search. You will want TFA (the flavor apprentice) for sure, and possibly Lorann..

You might find a company in the EU or somewhere who ships to Iran.. a company who carries many of the flavorings is best..
 

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I did the experiment. Should the drop disappear immediately, or does it need some effort? I could see traces of floating things on the surface, but after some stirring it was gone or unnoticeable.
I believe the drop should go into solution on it's own overnight. You want to see no traces after 8 hours (guessing). If it does not, I would look into making some of my own flavor concentrates if you have trouble obtaining them. Might want to look at:
Google: N.E.T Creations and Reviews (Naturally Extracted Tobaccos or Teas)
r/DIY_eJuice - Creating Extracts to be used in eJuice
 

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What you might like to do after this since you have a hook-up on nicotine is to order some flavorings and VG in known and trusted brands on the internet.
The thing is that I don't have access to international online shops. Everything would be much much easier and cheaper if I they shipped to Iran.
 

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The thing is that I don't have access to international online shops. Everything would be much much easier and cheaper if I they shipped to Iran.

Well both those shops I linked to in this post DO ship to Iran (definitely, no question about it) Can I use flavors used in pastry in DYI e-juices?

That said, what do you mean when you say don't have access to international shops?

We just have to find you places that ship to Iran right?

I don't see a huge problem with that..

A couple things to point out. Even with the sanctions in place food products can be sold to Iranians and shipped to Iran.

Our flavorings are food products even though they are used off label so to speak. It's why it might be an expensive ship, but Cappella Flavors will sell and ship to Iran.

China businesses will ship to anyone they don't care about sanctions or questions of legality etc etc.

It takes approximately a month to receive products purchased from China but they do come. The question is always can you get something through your customs if it's illegal, but Chinese businesses are good about being discrete as to what is being shipped, the only way to get caught is for your package to be opened by your customs for inspection.

However, VG, a main ingredient in ejuice, is also a food product. (Its used in baking) so you should have no problem receiving it...

Nicotine as you said there are no laws against its just expensive, and that might have a lot to do with the fact Iran might have to be importing it as a medical good in order to get through sanctions.. and the licensing for that is expensive and shipping therefore likely expensive on our end (not yours) and of course all costs are passed on to the consumer - you.

I looked up a few laws, just to make sure... :)
 
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@Opinionated, wow man, thanks for taking the time and providing the information. I called a friend, and I learned that there are middleman companies that can ship from Amazon, ebay, etc. I'll keep on searching and trying, you gave me the trigger. :)

Good luck to you... and God bless.
 
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