Can I use flavors used in pastry in DYI e-juices?

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NatashaTMT

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The thing is that I don't have access to international online shops. Everything would be much much easier and cheaper if I they shipped to Iran.
Perhaps you could try going through eBay. Maybe not a first choice for many but being you’re in Iran, check this out...

Solved: shipping to iran - The eBay Community

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I didn’t see @Opinionated or your last post before posting this. Great advice and info by Opinionated!
 

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The middleman companies charge too much... And with most of the online shops that have Iran in the list of countries you face some error in the process of check out. Additionally, tariffs are unavoidable and you need to pay Iran Post too. I'll probably need to ask my brother to bring me stuff from the US next time he comes to visit Iran. Not sure if I'd be willing to wait several months.
 

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I hope you didn't miss a couple main points.

Do not use flavorings in an unknown base and or unlabeled mystery bottles.
Some flavorings for baking are an oil based, fine for use in cooking/baking, but, not for inhaling.

Flavorings are usually used in small % of the total volume, like 2 - 10 %, sure some folks use a little more.

Adding 10ml of flavoring to 25ml of liquid is 40% flavoring, :shock:

I doubt it will be vapable, it will certainly ruin a replaceable head or gunk up coil & wicking very quickly.

I'd vape unflavored / flavorless long before using any questionable flavorings.
Have you tried it?
 
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I bought a flavor having these ingredients: Citral, orange oil, linalool, isoamil asetat, D-Limonene, geraniol and PG. Is it safe to use? It is heavier than water, but it does dissolve.
That looks like one I would skip; oils are not good for the lungs.
I also have access to Lorann Oils flavors. Are they good for vaping?
SOME of LorAnn's are fine for vaping; others are oil-based and should be avoided. For a recent list of good, questionable, and to-be-avoided concentrates, you might want to check out this color coded table of LA products (thanks @eMado!:thumb:):
Best LorAnn Super Strength Flavors for Vaping – Color Coded Spreadsheet

Note: the possible harm from vaping food colors is not well documented; but general consensus is to avoid them.
 

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I just added like 10ml of strawberry flavor to 25ml juice I already had. I wanted to add 5ml, but accidentally... Anyway, I shook it for 5 minutes. The mix became opaque. Is it normal? I wanted to try it before steeping (or whatever else needed, I'm yet to learn DIY from scratch). After a few puffs I felt sick.

On the bottle is written "this is a sample" and "ingredients are standard according to the national FDA". That's all.
I rinsed the coil afterwards and let it dry for one day, but those few puffs were enough to totally kill the coil. Never had a coil as dead as this one.
 

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I rinsed the coil afterwards and let it dry for one day, but those few puffs were enough to totally kill the coil. Never had a coil as dead as this one.

That's a good way to find out you don't want to vape that flavor..coil life is important..

Although a lot of that coil death had to do with the amount of flavoring you used.

Typical rule of thumb is to start at 2% for a flavor and go up from there.. most don't exceed 5% of a single flavor...

Your average recipe has a total of 8 to 10 percent flavoring, but usually not more than the 5% from a single one.

But.. no one likes juices that kills coils quickly, and it seems that flavor has the potential to be bad for coils.
 

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What about LorAnn Super Strength Flavors?
The table I linked above are the "super strength" concentrates. Stick to the ones listed in the table (green, and maybe limited yellow; avoid red) and you are good. It is the extracts, emulsions, and beverage flavors that get rather dubious.
 

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What about LorAnn Super Strength Flavors?
Opinionated and IDJoel gave you good advice! Though I have to add that many people mix higher percentages than 10%. Many mix much less also. So if you mix yours at a total of 10% and it doesn’t taste good to you, add a bit more at a time until it’s where you like. Because thats what matters since you’re the one who will be vaping it. Brands are very important when determining percentages as some are much more potent. I’m aware that you don’t have access to unlimited brands, ect. Though should you research recipes and see a wide range of percentages used, now you’ll know why. Super concentrates (SC) are stronger and requires much less, sometimes mere drops or .1% or less. Each SC usually shouldn’t exceed 5%. Non SC flavors can be used up to 25% if absolutely necessary, though I haven’t found one yet needing such extreme measures. IMO the normal range for non SC flavors are usually between 10% - 15% used alone and usually 2% - 12% in a mix. These percentages are usually my personal preference. You can do sft or single flavor tests to determine the strength and profile of each flavor and find your personal preferences. This will help you to know how you might enjoy it in a mix or alone, as the only flavor in your juice. No matter what flavors you’re mixing with, I highly suggest researching to educate yourself on DIY ejuice.
 
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What about LorAnn Super Strength Flavors?

This person has some recommended strengths for various Loranns flavors. I think they like way too much flavoring myself aa I wouldn't use that much but we are all different.

Guide to DIY Flavoring

You can always start at a half a percent to 1% for something you think is stronger and go up from there..
 

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@Asmani,
@NatashaTMT speaks well when she says:
many people mix higher percentages than 10%. Many mix much less also.<EDIT by IDJoel> Because thats what matters since you’re the one who will be vaping it.
There are a LOT of things that will dictate how much flavoring is right for you:
-- Your own perception/sensitivity to flavor in general, as well as specific flavors. Those who have just recently quit smoking, may still be smoking, are used to/prefer commercial e-liquids, and other behavior that is hard on the taste buds; often like/need higher percentages of flavor.
Also, some folks just don't seem to be able to "taste" certain flavor concentrates. I have read of folks who can't taste strawberry, or apple, or other specific vape profiles at any percentage.

-- Hardware has a dramatic influence on how an e-liquid can taste. The atomizer used, the coil configuration, the wicking, the airflow, the power/temperature that is applied, the resistance of the coils... all can have an influence on how an e-liquid might taste to you.

-- Ingredients differ. Just because 8 different manufacturers sell a flavor concentrate called "strawberry"; doesn't mean they taste the same, or will taste their best (to you), at the same concentration.

-- Additionally, the "base" ingredients (PG, VG, Nicotine concentrate, and/or other non-flavor ingredients) can have an influence on flavor.


So, what the heck does all this mean to you? If you are truly wanting to become a successful DIYer; you are going to have to invest some time, and do some experimenting. Find what works best for your flavors, your hardware, your preferences... in short; for you. almost anything can be made to work, if you are willing to put in the time and effort, to find what works best for you.;)

If that doesn't sound like your cup of tea, or you don't have the time (or patience), then commercial e-liquid may be the better choice. Keeping off the cigarettes is what's most important.

If you think you are ready to commit; then here are some good general rules of thumb, that have served the DIY community well:
-- Write everything you do down. What was used, how much, how long, what you thought/tasted, what was good/bad about the results, what you might like to do differently next time. The more information; the better. Nothing is worse than arriving at the "holy grail" of e-liquids; only never to be able to repeat it (yes; I know from personal experience:facepalm:).

-- Mix SMALL test batches first. It is easy to scale a good recipe up. It is much harder to throw out, or try to "fix" a large failure.

-- Start with low percentages. It is easier to add "a bit more," than to figure out dilutions, or start over. Recipe sites like E-liquid Recipes, or All the Flavors, are good sources for getting an idea of where to start for a specific flavor concentrate. Always start at the low end of the spectrum (at least to start).

-- Keep it simple. Complex recipes can look really enticing; but resist the urge. Learn to know where you like your individual ingredients best first. It may not be the most exciting vape you ever had; but it will provide the foundation for future creations. Then, you can work on creating that ideal vape. And, who knows; you may just find that perfect vape in just a single flavor.:D (I discovered I actually like unflavored; just PG, VG, and nicotine.)

-- Did I say "write it down?" Well, I'm saying it again. This not only helps you, but it will help us when you have questions. Instead of saying "my 'blank' doesn't taste good," You will be able to give valuable information by saying "when I mixed flavor 'A' by manufacturer 'B' at 'X' percent; it tasted like 'Z.'" We can then give more useful appropriate feedback.

-- And last, but far from least; have something vapeable on hand, while you learn to DIY. This can be a commercial e-liquid, or a simple DIY mix... anything you can safely/comfortably fall back on, while you find what works for you (this was kind of how I learned I liked unflavored). This will provide a safety net, that keeps you away from smoking, and allows you the luxury of time. Time to let mixes mature. Time to try multiple variations. Time to get it right. The pressure to get it right, "right now," is removed... and you can work at a pace that works for you.


DIY is not mystical. It is not "hard." It does take some time, patience, a willingness to fail, and a willingness to learn. I truly believe anyone can do it... if they give it a chance. I wish you all the best, as you begin your journey!:D
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Hey man,
You can buy limit range of LorAnn products from this link in Iran. Before that please check my safety sheet for LorAnn products and beware of oil based flavors.
Thanks eMado. I have actually ordered several good flavors from that link, thanks to your safety sheet. (I haven't received them yet) How good can juices get with LorAnn flavors? Are there better options in Iran?
 

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Thanks eMado. I have actually ordered several good flavors from that link, thanks to your safety sheet. (I haven't received them yet) How good can juices get with LorAnn flavors? Are there better options in Iran?
Hey bro. Not so good compare to great flavors that other use and much more expensive.
But it's your recipe and you know what you use for making your e-liquid. As I know many e-liquids in Iran are not authentic and I'm not taking chance to use them, after all we turn to vaping for seeking a safer option than analog cigar.
I will message you my cell number, call me if you have any question. It's my pleasure if I can be any help.
 

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You can make quality eliquid using LorAnn’s flavors. IF you want to share which you ordered, perhaps you'll get some suggestions here.:)
We don't access whole range of LorAnn products here in Iran. Just Apple, Green Apple, Rassberry, Lemonade and Bavarian Cream ...
 
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