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Can i vape 0.1ohm (coil) at 177w with 2x 18650 30a batteries? using Voopoo Drag 3

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  1. Rytis Laurinaitis

    Rytis Laurinaitis Full Member

    Aug 3, 2021
    Hello, I have very recently bought Voopoo Drag 3, it requires 2x 18650 batteries, I read some articles which said I should buy "high-current discharge" batteries, which are usually 10a, 15a, 20a, 30a (amperes) and so on.. So, I bought 2x 18650 30a batteries. And soon I'm planning to get an RDA tank, with a 0.1ohm coil, not that I'll be vaping it immediately (because I know that stuff isn't for beginners), but I just wanna know, could I, even, actually vape a 0.1ohm coil without getting my hands and face injured? (I know lower ohms draw more amperes, which could lead to a battery explosion, if the battery doesn't have enough amperes). I wanna vape 0.1ohm coil, 0mg or 3mg e-liquid, at 177w, and I found out online, to vape 0.1ohm coil, you need 42amperes.
    I have 2x 18650 30a batteries in my Drag 3, so does that mean I can draw up to 60a? Does that mean I could with no potential injury, relatively safely, vape a 0.1ohm coil? (With e-liquid ofcourse). How does it count? Given that I have 2x 30a batteries, can I draw 30a max or 60a max without any worries?
    If that can't be done safely, what coil would you use, if you wanted to try out the 177w which Drag 3 can produce?
     
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  2. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    So-Cal
    Hi Rytis. Welcome to the ECF.

    If you are using a Regulated Mod, the Ohms of your build plays No Part in the Amps a Battery(s) must provide. It's the Watts that matter.

    177 Watts would require about 32 Amps for Each Battery when the batteries are at their Low Voltage Cut-Off (~3.2 Volts).

    Here's a Basic Battery Amp Calculator.

    Battery Amp Draw / Drain Calculator - Vaping Hardware

    So No, I Wouldn't consider this to be advisable even with New Quality 18650 Batteries that are Rated at a 30 Amps Continuous Rate (CDR). And Not something I would consider ever doing with a pair of Batteries that have a Questionable 30A CDR.
     
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  3. Superuser187

    Superuser187 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 10, 2020
    Athens
    i dont know what kind of coils are those for this rda cause the resistance dont always nessesarily mean they need that high wattage to work good....sooo even tho the resistance is low doesnt mean u have to run them at 170watts nessesarily....
    Its good to read to read more about batteries safety as already suggested but just saying a quick and easy way to calculate what wattage u can run your batteries on REGULATED mods only is that u multiply the amperes of the battery by 3 and then result is the wattage u can use this battery on regulated mod only and no matter what resistance the coil is as long as the mod can work witu that resistance ofc...

    Example: a battery that is rated 20a means 20x3 = 60watts and if u have double battery mod then 120watts total that u can vape it...

    That ofc means u use good batteries that are truly rated...u can google mooch to learn more in case u dont know is someone who has done lot of work on testing those batteries and their real ratings!!!
    But still if u run batteries at their limits thats not good for their longevity and ofc wont give you much vaping time...
     
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  4. somdcomputerguy

    somdcomputerguy vaper dedicato Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Welcome to ECF.
     
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  5. MJCSD

    MJCSD Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    May 7, 2014
    usa
    Hello and welcome to ecf
     
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  6. Territoo

    Territoo Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 17, 2009
    Texas
    Does anybody make a 0.1 ohm coil? The lowest I've seen is 0.15. If I try to build lower than that on a regulated mod, it won't fire. I wouldn't even go lower than 0.5 in a mech mod.
     
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  7. DeloresRose

    DeloresRose Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Apr 25, 2014
    toledo ohio
    Why, and they mean why in the everloving world, would you want to vape at 170 watts?
     
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  8. UncleJunkle

    UncleJunkle Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 29, 2010
    UDIO, Clown World
    Are they Ultrafire or Trustfire? If so, the answer is no.

    Are they a different brand? If so what brand & model and where did you buy them?

    THIS MATTERS! Because many batteries are marketed with erroneous specifications and some places that claim to sell authentic brands are selling fakes, even unknowingly.
     
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  9. Ed Brown

    Ed Brown Super Member ECF Veteran

    My 13 year old nephew plans to buy a Porsche 918 Spyder, not that he'll be driving it immediately. Sounds like you want to impress your friends.

    No one mentioned whether this would be a single coil or a two coil set up. Put in two of those 0.1 ohm bad boys and you'll be a candidate for a Darwin award.

    This is a perfect example of the saying that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." Rytis, do your homework. Read what others are saying on other threads. Start cautiously and modestly. 170 watts will be too hot to vape.

    BTW: Rytis, you are either an OCD physicist or you have zero hands-on experience. No one says "amperes," they say amps. That goes for electricians and others in the industry as well. If you are in another nation with different conventions, you may get a pass on this one.
     
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  10. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    Someone tested a few high watt mods when they first came out and they weren't actually putting out what they were showing on the screen. Maybe a high end mod would, but not the common.
     
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  11. smacuser

    smacuser Vapid Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 22, 2012
    Vape Augustine, FL
    There's this other guy whose Lukefire mesh is getting too hot.
     
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  12. Z-Lee

    Z-Lee Ultra Member

    Apr 17, 2021
    Upper Midwest
    Couple of things to consider here. One, as UncleJunkle had mentioned, you'll want to make sure the batteries are reliably OEM. Trustfires, Imrens, Nitecore, Efest, Vapcell (at least Vapcell usually lets the users know what battery they rewrapped) etc. are all rewrapped batteries. If you peel the PVC coating off, it will reveal what type of battery is underneath - those are the OEM batteries from either Sony/Murata, Panasonic/Sanyo, Molicel/NPE, LG, Samsung, or Bak/Lishen. You can tell where this is probably leading - the rewraps are random and can be issued from manufacturers anywhere from this years model to a couple of years ago. They can be switched at any time. Those batteries are not going to have the same specs as newer ones, but can and will be advertised with the same specs. Also, rewraps are commonly known to buff their specs beyond what the battery is actually capable of handling, and will further use a "pulse rating" to make their numbers even more impressive to compete against other brands. A "pulse rating" is like putting a tachometer in a car that shows a redline at 9000 rpms, but will blow its engine at 6500 rpms. It's purely fluff for show. Purchasing the listed brands above from accredited vendors is the only way to reliably know this, and even they can sometimes be duped with a bad batch of batteries. That is as reliable as we can pretty much get. So, with that in mind...

    What type of batteries do you have and what model are they? VooPoo is more of a middle ground mod maker, and less for eccentric styles of vaping. Most reviews have found their tested specs to fall a bit short of what they advertise, which means you're not likely going to be able to achieve those 177w, even if your mod shows that you're sitting at 177w. They're not a bad mod for common uses like regular subohm tanks or lower ohm single coil RDAs/RTAs/RDTAs between 5 or 10 watts to maybe 100. Most VooPoo mods are also not buck boosted, which means you'll further see a decrease in performance as the battery gets closer to 3.2V, esp. for eccentric/exotic builds. Also as Ed mentioned, assuming the battery was capable of 30A CDR, constantly running it at 30A is going to drastically reduce the overall life span of your batteries. Safe? Fairly. But that's running your gear pretty hard - you can expect to be replacing all of your components in the not-so-distant future.

    Oh, and dry hitting. You're going to see plenty of this at 177w. Rip your throat.

    Lastly, welcome to ECF.
     
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  13. Z-Lee

    Z-Lee Ultra Member

    Apr 17, 2021
    Upper Midwest
    That would depend on the mod chip. Most newer mods can handle 0.1 and a few at 0.05.
     
  14. Ed Brown

    Ed Brown Super Member ECF Veteran

    That was actually Superuser187. My sunglasses aren't that big.
     
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  15. smacuser

    smacuser Vapid Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jan 22, 2012
    Vape Augustine, FL
    Why don't you guys help a brother out?
     
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  16. Z-Lee

    Z-Lee Ultra Member

    Apr 17, 2021
    Upper Midwest
    Rip your sunglasses. :rickroll:
     
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  17. Territoo

    Territoo Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 17, 2009
    Texas
    177 watts. And people think my 70 watts is high. What's next? Vaping at 1.21 gigawatts?

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  18. Z-Lee

    Z-Lee Ultra Member

    Apr 17, 2021
    Upper Midwest
    What do you mean, lol.
     
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  19. UncleJunkle

    UncleJunkle Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 29, 2010
    UDIO, Clown World
    Don't blame them. His title is nondescript. His payoff is directly proportional to his marketing abilities/forum foo.
     
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  20. Z-Lee

    Z-Lee Ultra Member

    Apr 17, 2021
    Upper Midwest
    I currently have only one mod set above 60w, and that's the Gaur to power a Sensor Blazer 200 with a tri-coil 0.6 ohm drop in. I'd vape it lower if I could, but it just spits angry hot juice at me. I think 70w is high, but that's just me.
     
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