Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

[D4rk50ul]

I just don't see this happening, the ease of getting traditional cigarettes is what drives so many to it along with peer pressure, fitting in, stress, etc. If someone goes down that road the chance they research, order some kind of device, or use a store Bought PV is low. They are much more likely to bum a smoke off a friend and get hooked to analogs.

Most non smokers want nothing to do with anything entering their bodies including vapor. Why start something you don't need to start if you are happy without it. vaping gained its popularity because of the myriad of ineffective ways smokers had to quit a habit they knew was killing them. Originally in vapings infancy it was so difficult to even get a device/juice that could keep you off cigarettes it took serious dedication and willpower to even stick to it. Sure it's way better now and smokers switching now have it much easier, but it doesn't mean popularity as a alternative = everyone does it.

My 12 year old is the best example of how I see it. She doesn't like me smoking OR vaping, and she would never touch either. She does after education appreciate me not smelling like an ash tray, killing myself with analogs, and constantly going outside to smoke or running to the store for more. It's safer for me and those around me, and that's all people should see it as. If you are going to breath second hand it's way better to not be 9000 chemical compounds.

 

[KenD]

This is not what these folks are saying. They are saying nicotine is NOT addictive at all. BIG difference. Its misinformation.

To what degree is nicotine addictive? Depends on the individual. There is an interesting sort of denial going on here that I find disconcerting. With vaping and analogs, the two things for me that I need is throat hit and something to do with my hands. This is why things like gum, a patch, or even chewing tobacco / dip would not work for me.

I find it interesting that through the course of this thread, no scientific papers showing proper, large scale studies have been linked showing the argument that nicotine is not addictive at all. There have been links to web articles where information has not been sourced, but nothing based on the realm of science.

Addressing biological medical opinions versus psychology, I will tell you what I have been told by several professors as I work to get my degree. Psychology is a very new field of study. Consider that up until the late 1800s, mental disease was not even something that was considered or known about.

Second, the brain was (and is) very difficult to study. It is easy to watch a heart pump blood and study its behavior. Its extremely difficult to watch the brain work. Deciphering what exactly all the different electrical signals are that are passing through the brain are difficult to measure and determine what they are doing, why they are being sent, what message is being sent, etc. Finally, we have thousands of years of herbal medicine for which to build a foundation on. From there, we can create medication with even better molecular structure than what we find in nature. We can create more pure forms of medication, modify and enhance the molecular structure to make it more potent (take a much smaller amount than its natural form and make it much more resistant to the digestive process for example). Psychology is a new field.

I dont disagree, some of psychology is hocus pocus. However, I watched it turn my mother from a crazy loony tunes into a decent human being. It took some work. She had seizures as a result of one prescription. Today however, she is relatively normal. Ive seen psychology change people for the better. including my brother who has autism. It again took time to figure out what works for him.

Understand this, my brother, 200 years ago, would have been burned at the stake for talking to himself. Today, we understand that autism is a thing.

It is incredibly insulting to see people who have had no experience with mental illness or no professional experience with addiction get on a computer and speak to things they know nothing about. These are both things I am personally very familiar with.

Understand, medical science, medication, etc went through all the same growing pains that psychology is going through now. You just werent around to see it. We have established practices in place to make testing much more safe than it used to be.. Thats the reason you dont see the truly grotesque stuff that you might have seen in the medical field many hundreds of years ago.

You're confusing psychology with psychiatry here.

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[Asbestos4004]

Kinda silly, I know.....But I sorta forgot why we care if nicotine is addictive. I know I've gone from 24mg down to zero over the last 5 years with no ill effects. I've since gone back to 3mg because I like it better. But, I didn't vape for 7 hours yesterday....Simply because I was busy and didn't think about it. That never happened with cigarettes.

 

[Kickingthesticks]

Depends I doubt we all just walked up to a store counter and said hey I wanna smoke. You'd have to be influenced in some way. Same with people who never smoked and started vaping.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Depends I doubt we all just walked up to a store counter and said hey I wanna smoke. You'd have to be influenced in some way. Same with people who never smoked and started vaping.

That's pretty much exactly what I did. But everyone who's ever smoked was influenced in some way....Except for the first guy to smoke tobacco. Same with milk. We were all influenced in some way to drink cow's milk.... Except for the first guy to do it....And if you ask me, that was a pretty sick dude.

 

[go_player]

Except for the first guy to do it....And if you ask me, that was a pretty sick dude.

That guy, and the first guy who ate an oyster, amirite? But the milk guy was probably literally a pretty sick dude, as he would have been lactose intolerant.

Depends I doubt we all just walked up to a store counter and said hey I wanna smoke. You'd have to be influenced in some way. Same with people who never smoked and started vaping.

Kids are funny though- I was dead-set against smoking (my Mom was a heavy smoker) until I was 12. Then I tried a cigarette with a friend who smoked and... well, I think I mostly started because I really liked the effect. When you've never had a cigarette before smoking gets you pretty high. That goes away pretty fast, of course... but by that point you're already starting to get at least habituated, and I did not have a lot of common sense at 12.

 

[Beamslider]

Unless you Subohm vape huge clouds with higher nic levels, I don't think you actually get anywhere near the same hit of Nicotine from vaping as you get from smoking.....Average cigarette contains around 12mg of nicotine with around 1mg ending up in your blood stream. Some brands are lower at around 6mg each and some higher up to 24 mg each. And don't forget that Cigarette companies have been adding chemicals to make sure more is absorbed.

When I stopped smoking a pack a day, I had to start out vaping higher nic levels to remain satisfied. Have been able to cut down to 6 mg now and soon will go for 3 mg. This over a period of around 6 months.

And yes as some have stated in the thread....Cigs now stink to me and people that smoke are very easy to spot just from the way their clothing smells. Don't know how bad they taste at this point because I will not smoke one to find out.

 

[go_player]

Unless you Subohm vape huge clouds with higher nic levels, I don't think you actually get anywhere near the same hit of Nicotine from vaping as you get from smoking

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I get more nic vaping 18mg in a good MTL tank than I did smoking. I've been known to drip the same juice and... well, trust me on this one.

 

[Beamslider]

I would say that 18 mg is a higher nic level

 

[go_player]

I would say that 18 mg is a higher nic level

Fair enough, but what I described is not "....Subohm vape huge clouds with higher nic levels,"

It's pretty easy to get a lot of nic when vaping, sub-ohm or not.

EDIT: I'll add that I'm the resident idiot who has been known to test new batches of 100mg/ml nicotine by tasting them. I'll bow to other forum members superior knowledge in most cases, but when it comes to nic fiending I feel like I know something .

 

[beckdg]

And if you ask me, that was a pretty sick dude.

As soon as you said cows milk, I was there....

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[beckdg]

I would say that 18 mg is a higher nic level

I would say it's not.

And a "mtl" setup doesn't help.

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[beckdg]

EDIT: I'll add that I'm the resident idiot who has been known to test new batches of 100mg/ml nicotine by tasting them.

Slow your role, partner. [emoji14]

As the resident senior idiot, I guess it's my place to inform you you're the Junior Resident Idiot.

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[Eskie]

Slow your role, partner. [emoji14]

As the resident senior idiot, I guess it's my place to inform you you're the Junior Resident Idiot.

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@go_player don't try a can you top this with beckdg, you'll lose. OK, who's holding the money for the betting here?

 

[Robino1]

 

[Asbestos4004]

Beck once called me a Nancy.....Then he proved it. My money's on Beck... But go's posts are funnier.

 

[zoiDman]

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When I stopped smoking a pack a day, I had to start out vaping higher nic levels to remain satisfied. Have been able to cut down to 6 mg now and soon will go for 3 mg. This over a period of around 6 months.

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How much of this Lack of Satisfaction do you attribute to Not Inhaling the added Chemicals that are put into Cigarette Tobacco that are Not Present in e-Liquids?

And the Resulting Chemical Compounds that are Created when these Added Chemicals are burned?

 

[Beamslider]

I would actually attribute the lack of satisfaction originally in large part to the lack of the other chemicals. I have no doubt personally that most of the addiction was to the chemicals in the cigarettes more so than the nicotine.

Back while I was smoking, I couldn't go for more than 1/2 hour or so without wanting to smoke another one. I don't have the same problem with vaping. I can go a couple hours without the same nagging desire for a fix.

So while I am sure that nicotine is addictive, I don't think it is the only addictive thing about cigarettes.

 

[mattiem]

So while I am sure that nicotine is addictive, I don't think it is the only addictive thing about cigarettes.

We have been led to believe this but when totally removed from smoking (tobacco use) I believe that we have not been told the truth. I personally don't believe that nicotine, without smoking it, is the big bad wolf we have been led to believe it is.

It won't mean anything to those that have made up their minds. Minds that can't be changed no matter what but this offers some very detailed information that might open a few eyes.

Nicotine Propaganda

 

[go_player]

@go_player don't try a can you top this with beckdg, you'll lose. OK, who's holding the money for the betting here?

Oh, I wasn't trying to challenge @beckdg's Alpha idiot status. I might be an idiot, but even I have my limits. It really comes down to how you parse the sentence- I'm not claiming to _the_ resident idiot, let alone the _Senior_ resident idiot. Just the resident idiot in one particular respect.