Nothing is up, as I've stated I have ADHD so possibly I am a bit odd.
Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?
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Doubt it. But may happen in a rare instance- as anything is possible. Looking way back, I wished that in my early teens there would've been an option like vaping.
From my personal experience, I picked up cigarettes not because of nicotine, or to put tar in my lungs... but to look older & cool. No pundt intended, but I started with "Kool's". I started coughing and gagging & thought the taste was nasty, but I kept doing it for a few months & then of course eventually was hooked.
For me, I think it's easier for a lifelong smoker to go back to cigarettes, if vaping is restricted than it is for a teen to permanently get into cigarettes. Like a previous writer said, "they taste nasty" at the beginning. So, after vaping w/tutti frutti type flavored juices they are likely not going to go for the real tobacco taste - that I, unfortunately, will always love.
There is no such thing as a gateway drug.
It's false logic.
That is pure propaganda used since Nancy Regan started her "Just Say No" program as another way to justify trillions of budget dollars being used to fight a multi decade war on a "thing".
It's a con.
No, vaping doesnt lead to smoking.
It's false logic.
That is pure propaganda used since Nancy Regan started her "Just Say No" program as another way to justify trillions of budget dollars being used to fight a multi decade war on a "thing".
It's a con.
No, vaping doesnt lead to smoking.
While it is a possibility for someone to move from vaping to smoking HOWEVER it just doesn't really happen, one wouldn't go from eating ham sandwiches to eating dirt sandwiches just because it's a sandwich..
ABSOLUTELY!
Why? Because of the propaganda.
Someone that might have decided to vape just as he would have started smoking anyways but went with vaping instead as at first, he though it was better than smoking, gets bombarded by all the fake reports, the constant false news article, the fake science, the constant nagging from others around them that believes this crap, etc. etc. and gets convinced that vaping is horrible and worse than cigarettes, so they switch.
Mission accomplished governments! Good job! Big thumbs up to you! You got one more person that is giving you a crapload of their money for you to kill them slowing.
Why? Because of the propaganda.
Someone that might have decided to vape just as he would have started smoking anyways but went with vaping instead as at first, he though it was better than smoking, gets bombarded by all the fake reports, the constant false news article, the fake science, the constant nagging from others around them that believes this crap, etc. etc. and gets convinced that vaping is horrible and worse than cigarettes, so they switch.
Mission accomplished governments! Good job! Big thumbs up to you! You got one more person that is giving you a crapload of their money for you to kill them slowing.
No and Yes.
As far as vaping being a gateway activity (a steppingstone to smoking) for non-smokers, check out the federal government's (Department of Health & Human Services) own statistics on the incidence of teen smoking (grades 8 - 12). Historically, this is the age group many non-smokers became smokers. According to the HHS, 90% of all smokers began smoking before the age 18. From 2007 to 2015, the incidence of teen smoking dropped by over 50% and is currently at an all time low. Coincidentally, this just happens to coincide with the rise of vaping. In a 2016 article from the CDC, it appears that many teens who would have taken up smoking turned to vaping instead. Looking at the statistical data from the HHS, the reduction in teen smoking is actually greater for those in their senior year than for those in the 8th grade so during those four years it doesn't appear vaping lead any to start smoking, quite the opposite. It's difficult to make a case against vaping, claiming that it leads to smoking, when your own statistical data fails to support such a claim. Even more so when it appears to directly contradict it. Because of this I would say "no", vaping is no more of a steppingstone to smoking than drinking Coke is to becoming an alcoholic...
However... enter a dishonest FDA controlled by greedy/corrupt members of congress who themselves are owned by a morally bankrupt corporate America. The FDA is closely followed by tax hungry state's who've lost a significant amount of revenue (taxes and MSA payments) from declining tobacco sales. This decline in tobacco sales (and therefore revenue) is directly linked to the rise of vaping. If the cost of FDA compliance and approval when combined with looming state vape taxes raises the cost of vaping as high or higher than smoking then I believe many vapers (especially teens) will simply switch to smoking. So "yes" vaping could inadvertently lead to smoking but only if our corrupt government aided by a willingly oblivious citizenry turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy....
False logic.
Drinking water leads to heavy smoking.
Thats right folks...
We have data that shows 100% of heavy smokers drank water in their teens.
Therefore water is obviously a gateway substance that, as the evidence clearly shows, leads kids to smoking.
The only way to save the children is to ban drinking water!
See how dumb that sounds?
Drinking water leads to heavy smoking.
Thats right folks...
We have data that shows 100% of heavy smokers drank water in their teens.
Therefore water is obviously a gateway substance that, as the evidence clearly shows, leads kids to smoking.
The only way to save the children is to ban drinking water!
See how dumb that sounds?
To be honest, anything can lead to smoking. Remember, at one time, cigs tasted good to all smokers.
Don't blame it on adhd.. my son is adhd in spades, and he isn't odd.. one can carry on conversation like an intelligent adult and have adhd.
Here is the thing. You want to vape? Then none of this matters, and will never really matter to you.
If it matters to you, then you want someone to tell you no, your not allowed to vape.
When I started smoking it was because of an article I read that listed all the horrible evil side affects of smoking.. well, one of those horrible side affects was a side affect I actually wanted to have (the stunting of my growth) - and I wanted that side affect so much that I went out and got me a pack of cigarettes the same day..
I ignored every other side effect listed; ignored the horrible death by cancer, the horrible death via lung disease, heart disease, and everything else that article spoke of.. and went and bought me a pack of smokes and began smoking..
Lol . I was an idiot, but I was young, and determined..
What I did not do was ask my parents if I could smoke cigarettes in order to try and stunt my growth, I didn't get their opinion, or their permission, I didn't ask them if I thought cigarettes would really kill me someday, because quite frankly I knew they would say no.. I wasn't allowed..
What you are doing is the equivalent of asking your parents permission for something you know they will say no to . In order that someone STOP you from doing it.
Therefore, it is my assumption at this point that you have no real desire to vape.
Therefore, I will absolve you of the burden.. your not allowed to vape or smoke.. absolutely not, your too young.. so no.. your not allowed.
Now.. if you ignore me, and vape anyway.. then you have your answer, and that is, that none of this stuff matters to you one bit.
So.. are we gonna talk about vaping? About gear? Everyone here has given you all their knowledge on the topics you've asked otherwise..
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My suspicion is that if vaping were to lead to smoking, the government agencies and special interest groups would have been trumpeting that correlation for years, but try as they might, the evidence is just not there.
Anything i have read seems to suggest that the vulnerable teens that everyone is so concerned about use vaping in the same way as adults do viz. to stay away from tobacco.
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Anything i have read seems to suggest that the vulnerable teens that everyone is so concerned about use vaping in the same way as adults do viz. to stay away from tobacco.
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People have to remember that "school zone" means very different things, depending on where you live. In some areas there are no businesses within a half mile of a school, in some areas there may be a convenience store across the street. When they talk about "tobacco advertising" they're talking about signs in convenience stores displaying the brand and usually the price. None of which has any effect on whether or not a teen STARTS smoking.BT is trying to lobby and allow advertising for cigarettes in school zones again. Now am I the only one who sees this as trulyup?
This is similar to a commercial that Truth has been airing lately, about cigarette companies targeting minority communities, advertising a lot more in those communities. The fact of the matter is, the more urban the area where you live, the more places that SELL cigarettes, and those are the places with the signs. In my current neighborhood, which is mostly white and more affluent, the closest store is half a mile away, and the next closest is over a mile. In my old neighborhood, which was much more urban and racially diverse, there were at least 5 places to buy cigarettes within a half mile.
As to the OP, anyone can choose to start smoking. The research so far does not suggest that vaping would lead to a nicotine dependence. Anecdotal evidence, and there is plenty of it, suggests that smoking is a much less pleasant experience for most people than vaping.
^^^ this. Ha. I grew up hearing that, too.I was always told that coffee would stunt my growth too
Bad - bad coffee !
I'm over 6 ft and was an avid coffee drinker in my teen years, 4 medium iced / day and would pound them down within 15 minutes each, loved coffee and that rumor makes me laugh to this day.
Ah ah, my hands are NOT hairy and I didn't go blind like they said I would if I stared too long at goldfish....
Les I just read it recently in the paper that BT is lobbying Congress to have the current bans lifted on colorful signs in a certain distance from schools. Even though teen smoking is at it lowest in years BT wants to change that.
I don't subscribe to the idea that advertising LEADS to smoking. I think it effects product choice, but not initiation. So, the bans don't make sense in the first place.
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