Can someone help me out on something

[nibb]

Hi, I would appreciate someone with more experience help me out on a few things.

Its a month now I received my ecig.

I ordered a Red Dragon with some carts.

My fist impression was not that good, but I love it now.

Red Dragon comes with the shorter batteries, at first it sounded like it was bad and the 3 seconds cutoff as well but now I think its a good thing and you will see why.

If this is a bit long please excuse me but I want to explain all I can so someone can give me bit of advice or what im probably doing wrong.

The RD came with Marlboro carts, there are bad but they are not intensive either. So I ordered after a week a Tenesse Smoke juice. Tabaco taste.

I dropped a few on the carts and the experience changed allot. The taste was allot more intensive and I like it.

I wanted a longer battery and some more carts, so I ordered another pack of 10 carts with a longer battery from Smoke51. The batteries works on RD carts and the RD batteries as well on the Smoke51 carts, not a problem there.

What my problem seems is to get the full cart taste at the most. It seem Im not getting the trick here and le me explain why. First I dropped to much juice on a cart. It seems that makes to not smoke at all. So I tried others and dripped less and it worked well, and the ones I dripped to much I let them dry.

Someone here said you can drip on the battery hole. I tried that and it killed a carts, so I did not tried that again. I open the carts on one end, where the white rubber cap is, and there I drip them.

1 cart lasted very, very long, over a week. While another one 1 day. I felt that ugly burned tasted. I readed here that the carts actually burns and I open the carts with that taste and it was black, instead of white.

Actually here comes what I discovered. It seems the RD batteries have the cutoff exactly so they dont burn the carts. The one that was completely burned I left 4 hours on a glass of alcohol so see what happens and VOILA it was white, white again. So its not the carts that is burning but the liquid. The carts was intact inside. Of course you cannot reuse it anymore as its full of alcohol but that makes me feel very safe now, since I thought I was burning the cottom inside which is not. Tried with a burn carts, and goes completely white.

Now the Smoke51 long battery is just that, longer, in size and Im not sure how long it last because im not sure when they stop charging. The RD batteries came with a USB plug that is red when charging and it goes green when its full. The Smoke51 usb charger doesnt have any light. The battery just lights up when plugged and I left it for hours and hours and it doesnt turn off or change light, so I think it doesnt say when its full.

I tried the Smoke51 battery and you have to suck harder then the RD battery. I also found that the longer Smoke51 battery the cutoff is longer and it smokes like hell. Yes. It gives allot and allot of vapor but it also gets the cart very, very hot. Im not sure if I overcharged the things but its allot more intensive, its gives allot more vapor and it gives so much that after smoking it for 10 minutes I have to trow up and I had a nicotine overdose.

I never had that in 3 weeks with the RD battery. I really think the longer battery is to powerful.

Now here comes the funny part. I filled some new carts with juice and it seems the longer Smoke51 battery burns them straight. After a little use I feld the burned taste and I opened it and yes it was black. I filled another new cart and tried with the RD battery and this doesnt happen. Not at least in a very long use or if you smoke them dry. What is really weard is that the carts that came with Smoke51, if you use then just like that it doesnt seem they burn, it just smokes allot but if you fill them with Tenesse Juice it you hear the flickering that its burning. It you use the cart normally you dont hear that sound and it doesnt burn. So my conclusion is that I cannot use the longer battery with Tennese Juice, as it seems it burns the liquid and the taste is then awfull.

Now, I do see when you open a new cart its dry, dry, dry, you just see the cottom. I usually drip even the new ones. I do this until I see they are a little wet. Maybe that is my problem. Maybe it doesnt has to be a little wet and thats why its burning the liquid.

It tastes so ugly and the cart is black that I have to trow it away, and its sad as each cart costs over 2$.

So im thinking or just using the shorter batteries with refilling and maybe putting the longer battery to rest in peace forever. Or maybe the longer battery is broken and its give to much heat on the atomyzer. Funny is that it works well with the carts that came with it but after putting a few drops it seems it will just burn the liquid.

So whats your advice and what can I test out?

By the way the new carts without putting liquid dont taste at all, i cannot taste them, but they do smoke, so thats why I really like to fill them. Even the new ones.

 

[gpdo24]

Nibb,

I can relate 100% the Red Dragon was my first as well and did get me started on what is now one full month off analogs( 25yrs 2 pks). Your experience sounds a lot like mine except i killed a few batteries dripping and hated the cost factor and battery life on the 2 pc cartomizer units. I recently purchased a 510 manual unit and now barely touch my fondly respected 2 pc units.
Sounds like you also wiould enjoy the variety of strong flavors easily accessible via directly dripping onto the attomizer bridge. I have not had much luck with the cartridges for the 510 as my poly filling also tends to cause problems; i use blanks and simply only drip.The eliquid seems dirt cheap compared to the replacement costs and inventory maintenance of the cartomizers and $30 batteries.
Good Luck

 

[Randall Fox]

It sounds like it could only be 1 of 2 things.

The longer battery has a higher voltage. Do you or a friend have a voltmeter you could test the battery with? A higher voltage will mean a hotter atomizer.

The longer battery has a longer cutoff. Are you taking longer draws while using the longer battery? That could be making the atomizer get hotter. You could always just limit your draws to keep the atomizer from getting too hot.

You could always use the longer battery with new carts only, and the shorter one with refills.

 

[nibb]

Ok I think I now what the problem is. It seems the Johnson Creek juice needs more heat to vaporize.

With the long battery it gives tons of smoke.
With the shorted RD battery it doesnt. I thought it was a weak battery but i have 2 short batteries. And its the same with both.

If the shorter battery is with a new charge vapor is good for the first 5 or 7 draws, then its very, very low.

But with the normal carts (without refilling) the smoke is wonderful.

Since I have 2 shorter batteries I dont think they both have problems so to conclude:

Long battery:
Normal Carts. Great Vapor.
JC Refilled. Great Vapor.

Shorter Batteries (9 mm)
Normal Carts. Great Vapor.
JC Refilled. Only good vapor for 5 first draws, then smoke is almost nothing.

Still, what I dont like about the longer battery is it doesnt seems to have a power cut when its fully charged. I dont know how much time it needs to be charged. And draw is slower and harder. It also seems to burn the refilled carts very fast, but not the normal filled carts.

Now I wonder if im right about this. Since some people said they got wonderful vapor and taste with JC and Red Dragon with is the E9 or Smoke51 or any of that models, since they all come from the same factory.

Maybe, maybe my liquid has something wrong but I really think now 99% it needs more heat to vaporize and that is why the shorter batteries doesnt seem to work that good with them.

I wonder if someone can confirm this.

Its PV liquid, as I bought it from Amazon. Maybe I should try another liquid?

HI Randall Fox. Yes thats what im thinking. The longer battery (which is longer on size and last as well longer) probably has higher voltage. Yes, I take longer draws with it since i can also drag longer with it. But even with short draws, vapor is great.

What wonders me, is why if the longer battery has a higher voltage it doesnt seems to burn the normal carts (not refilled) but with refilled ones they get black very fast. I would blame the liquid here. Since with the shorter batteries it doesnt vapor enough and with the longer it burns. And the not refilled carts work great with both batteries type.

Problem is I really need to refill them, since im outside the US, my order for carts take 15 days and I cannot order 100 carts at one time since they would not get trough the mail. So I can order small amounts of 10, to 30 carts and I need them to last as long as I can. Where I live also normal analogs costs 1$ and the carts cost me more then 2$ already. So its not a matter of choice but economy. I do need to use liquid. Also the taste of carts is not good, its weak compared to JC liquid.