Can't get a Tobacco Taste
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Thought I would share some thoughts about your questions, as I have muddled through similar projects. First off, great job digging up & making recipe software work - I believe that good software has massively simplified my own DIY work, as well as rendering my recipes' replicable and easy to mfg. in small, tester-sized amounts. Right after software in importance would be an assortment of syringes and/or graduated glass pipettes (esp. 1ml with well marked 100ths). Avoid drop-based measurement if at all possible, especially making small test amounts - inaccurate, and the amounts we are using for flavoring are pretty small.
Tobacco flavs often require more steeping than other types. I hate waiting. I also hate making ejuice that is blechy. After research and frustration, all I have come up with to cope with these issues is a good supply of 5ml LDPE drip bottles, and doing a spread of single-flavor mixes at different, likely %'s. I steep these for a week+ or so then start tasting. While not really perfect for predicting a mixtures taste, I will blend these steeped single flavs' to rough out my blend ideas.
Another indispensable tool for this is an RDA. I keep a testing-dedicated cheapie RDA with a very small wick built for the purpose. I taste a candidate, then drip some unflavored nic juice to clear up for the next victim. Or, I transition to the next flavor, checking out the taste. While not spot-on, I get a pretty good idea of the mixed flavs in this way.
I know that your OP was asking for specific recipe ideas for the Tobacco flavs you have. I have most of that list, but am not on my own computer, so no access to that data just now. Will edit this post 2nite w/what you asked for, when I have it in front of me. Good luck!
*Recipes, etc.*
50/50 PG/VG
TFA RY4 2%
TFA Tobacco Blend .5%
Dist. water 5%
50/50 PG/VG
TFA M-type 1%
TFA Tob. Blend .5%
TFA DK Base flavor 3%
Dist. water 5%
I spent more time than I wanted to, visiting Wizard Labs & trying to ID the flavs you mentioned. I had to make some assumptions in order to answer the OP. Many flavs share the same name, but have different manufacturers - they will taste different and are at different concentrations. You may have greater success in asking for input if you identify your flavors using the manufacturers full name, or using the abbreviations that are commonly employed here on the ECF site (ex. TFA = The Flavor Apprentice = Signature @ ECX). Many folks on the forum are happy to help out, but will opt out if they have to research the question as well as the answer.
Two threads that may be of immediate use to your OP and the general intent of the question are linked below:
great flavoring/diy thread
(http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect.html)
Tobacco flavor thread
(http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-no-perfume-no-caramel-no-vanilla-no-tba.html)
Tobacco flavs often require more steeping than other types. I hate waiting. I also hate making ejuice that is blechy. After research and frustration, all I have come up with to cope with these issues is a good supply of 5ml LDPE drip bottles, and doing a spread of single-flavor mixes at different, likely %'s. I steep these for a week+ or so then start tasting. While not really perfect for predicting a mixtures taste, I will blend these steeped single flavs' to rough out my blend ideas.
Another indispensable tool for this is an RDA. I keep a testing-dedicated cheapie RDA with a very small wick built for the purpose. I taste a candidate, then drip some unflavored nic juice to clear up for the next victim. Or, I transition to the next flavor, checking out the taste. While not spot-on, I get a pretty good idea of the mixed flavs in this way.
I know that your OP was asking for specific recipe ideas for the Tobacco flavs you have. I have most of that list, but am not on my own computer, so no access to that data just now. Will edit this post 2nite w/what you asked for, when I have it in front of me. Good luck!
*Recipes, etc.*
50/50 PG/VG
TFA RY4 2%
TFA Tobacco Blend .5%
Dist. water 5%
50/50 PG/VG
TFA M-type 1%
TFA Tob. Blend .5%
TFA DK Base flavor 3%
Dist. water 5%
I spent more time than I wanted to, visiting Wizard Labs & trying to ID the flavs you mentioned. I had to make some assumptions in order to answer the OP. Many flavs share the same name, but have different manufacturers - they will taste different and are at different concentrations. You may have greater success in asking for input if you identify your flavors using the manufacturers full name, or using the abbreviations that are commonly employed here on the ECF site (ex. TFA = The Flavor Apprentice = Signature @ ECX). Many folks on the forum are happy to help out, but will opt out if they have to research the question as well as the answer.
Two threads that may be of immediate use to your OP and the general intent of the question are linked below:
great flavoring/diy thread
(http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect.html)
Tobacco flavor thread
(http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-no-perfume-no-caramel-no-vanilla-no-tba.html)
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I want to start mixing my own in the near future, but until then, I found my all day vape and it is in the tobacco taste profile... Boba's Bounty from avejuice. I ordered another flavor from them and they included a sample of Boba's Bounty. I tried it and bam! it is my only vape right now. I then ordered a 30ml bottle, then a night later saw they were having a sale for 10% off and ordered a 100ml bottle. They ship fast, get it in 2 days, and it is amazing! IMHO.
It is very tobacco-y but with hints of other subtle flavors... some sweet, some dark, but such a balanced flavor. The first vape from it remided me of the smell of a really really GREAT cigar. then it got more and more complex and almost slightly sweet, but not in a dessert way. Just a fabulous juice, and I can't imagine not having any on hand now.
I tried a couple other tobacco flavors when I first started (a month ago) and they were AWFUL!!!!!!! One was half descent, but only until I tried a quality juice, then realized how bad it was.
I suggest anyone looking for a tobacco flavor (especially when new to vaping), get a sample of Boba's Bounty from avejuice Boba's Bounty - 12ml [BOBAS-12ml] - $6.27 : Alien Visions E-Juice, Satisfaction Guaranteed it is $6.27 for a 12ml bottle ($46.80 for a 100ml)
I am sure there are some that will not agree with me, but after trying so many bad juices, I have to recommend this one... it is damn good.
Don't forget, when we are new to vaping we think we want a tobacco flavor, but it doesn't take long to realize a lot of us actually don't... once we realize we can vape, get nicotine and enjoy any flavor we want. Tobacco vape is not the most pleasurable thing to do all day, unless it is a GREAT juice.
It is very tobacco-y but with hints of other subtle flavors... some sweet, some dark, but such a balanced flavor. The first vape from it remided me of the smell of a really really GREAT cigar. then it got more and more complex and almost slightly sweet, but not in a dessert way. Just a fabulous juice, and I can't imagine not having any on hand now.
I tried a couple other tobacco flavors when I first started (a month ago) and they were AWFUL!!!!!!! One was half descent, but only until I tried a quality juice, then realized how bad it was.
I suggest anyone looking for a tobacco flavor (especially when new to vaping), get a sample of Boba's Bounty from avejuice Boba's Bounty - 12ml [BOBAS-12ml] - $6.27 : Alien Visions E-Juice, Satisfaction Guaranteed it is $6.27 for a 12ml bottle ($46.80 for a 100ml)
I am sure there are some that will not agree with me, but after trying so many bad juices, I have to recommend this one... it is damn good.
Don't forget, when we are new to vaping we think we want a tobacco flavor, but it doesn't take long to realize a lot of us actually don't... once we realize we can vape, get nicotine and enjoy any flavor we want. Tobacco vape is not the most pleasurable thing to do all day, unless it is a GREAT juice.
I can't add anything for diy, but I can add suggestions, since I love tobacco flavors (they're my primary vapes, broken up by fruit flavors).
I first started with nicquid's midnight express and loved it for months (I vaped it while still smoking), but then all of a sudden I got a weird taste (with old and new clearos and coils) reminiscent of wood char when I switched to vape only, so I've backed off that one (only one to go weird on me). I'm not a big fan of 555 or aroma's dk-tab - they're too peanutty for my taste, but both my sister and mom love dk-tab, so everyone gets different mileage out of the same juice.
Some of my faves are dark honey tobacco, Turkish blend, and flue-cured (from aroma). I'm currently trying out black honey tobacco and monkey shine from pirate vapors, as well (they are pretty cheap, at $3.95 for 10 mls). The latter from pv is more fruity and sweet than tobacco tasting, but I still enjoy it. The black honey from pv isn't as great as aroma's honey tobacco, but it is still a solid tobacco flavor and good in its own right
I've got about 3 other "tobacco" flavors from pv - calico jack, east india number 1, and island tobacco, that I haven't tried yet
I've got some Voodoo from halo coming in and I'm really excited about trying that one.
I first started with nicquid's midnight express and loved it for months (I vaped it while still smoking), but then all of a sudden I got a weird taste (with old and new clearos and coils) reminiscent of wood char when I switched to vape only, so I've backed off that one (only one to go weird on me). I'm not a big fan of 555 or aroma's dk-tab - they're too peanutty for my taste, but both my sister and mom love dk-tab, so everyone gets different mileage out of the same juice.
Some of my faves are dark honey tobacco, Turkish blend, and flue-cured (from aroma). I'm currently trying out black honey tobacco and monkey shine from pirate vapors, as well (they are pretty cheap, at $3.95 for 10 mls). The latter from pv is more fruity and sweet than tobacco tasting, but I still enjoy it. The black honey from pv isn't as great as aroma's honey tobacco, but it is still a solid tobacco flavor and good in its own right
I've got about 3 other "tobacco" flavors from pv - calico jack, east india number 1, and island tobacco, that I haven't tried yetI've got some Voodoo from halo coming in and I'm really excited about trying that one.
Heathers Heavenly vapes - Gaia, Huntsman, Want 2 Vape Morley, Rock Star, and any of their cigar natural extracts; Ahlusion, Devil Dog is not for the faint hearted, but they have plenty of good tobacco extracts. I think naturally extracted tobaccos aka "net"s may be your way to go.
Thanks for your time and your post. Several good tips there. New to diy, in my first post I tried to give all the info I could on the flavors I had realizing that different manufacturers make a different tastin product. Hence I referenced Wizard Labs for the Tobacco Absolute blend (TA Blend) which is now extinct (think I bought the last bottle) and the MType Premium. FA RY4 and FA Dekang (Flavor Art) I thought FA would suffice for Flavor Art since at ECX it is commonly used. By post #36 I had figured out that the TA Blend and M-Type were TFA flavors and posted them that way. I have gotten a lot of well intentioned answers but no recipes involving my flavors alone or if they are vapable stand alone. I think my biggest problem is some bad nic juice or something. Whatever it is I now don't like any flavor , premix or diy. My taste buds are shot from tryin to make these tobaccos work. All I originally wanted is to make a vapable tobacco for friends to try to make them want to switch. At this point, I can't trust my taste because it has become so distorted and have ordered some samples from Lucky 7 Vapes, who uses the flavors I have from TFA and others https://store-pb0xw0k.mybigcommerce.com/. His prices are so low that if they are as good as the reviews I may quit diy. Thanks for your help and please send recipes if you can. I also have 36 more TFA flavors that are commonly used in Tobacco blends plus EM and AP. I still need to do something with this stuff
Also thanks Ccampbell Sunny and Hulamoon
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Try Halo Tribeca, Sahara, or Prime. They seemed the most like tobacco to me (they have a sampler that isn't all that expensive). I have moved to more bakery type flavors because I enjoy them more, but the sampler I got from Halo initially worked on the cig craving for me.
hmm id shoot for a 15% flavor ratio, and go heavier on the Ry4, and back off on the tobacco. Not sure if you are trying to mix multiples, but to start I would mix M-Type and Ry4 to taste. In terms of finding a good tobacco flavor online, you are in the right spot... lots of threads here about that, so if you can spare the cash down the road i would try some suggested vendors just to find a something to shoot for cloning with your DIY endevour. Good luck!
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Initially all I got was perfumed vape from overflavoring probably. I tried many different percentages and mixes and finally decided I must have some bad concentrates or nic liquid. I have tried several vendors, even have some comin in from L7 today http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ce-12ml-2-09-120ml-12-89-1-000ml-54-99-a.html But thanks anyway
Yuck, thats a bad start... sorry. Maybe try some affordable but well reviewed juices to start and move on into the chemistry after just enjoying it for awhile?
I have a awesome Tobacco flavor I make for my sons friends all they want is Tobacco I use 7 Leaves ( FA ) 10% flav in my mix and also use Tobacco Additive 5% flav and they love it mixed at 70/30 12mg Nic.. just a thought .Let it steep 1 week only ..........................]I realize no juice can produce a true cig flavor but I just can't get anything to give a hint of cigarette taste. I have the TA Blend and M-Type Premium from Wizard Labs and also FA Ry4 and FA Dekang. The only thing vapable is the Dekang after steeping for 1 1/2 weeks and then I have to put a drop or two of clear coffee in it to get rid of the chemical taste. I'm mainly usin a 5% with a 75/25 pg vg mix and 12mg nic in all my juices. I'm new to vapin (about 2 1/2 weeks) and been tryin to diy since the vape shop guy I bought my pens from mixes his own to order in a dirty lookin store. He didn't seem to know much, so I checked out the internet and ended up here at this SUPER site. Can anyone give me a recipe usin what I have, or suggest something?
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At 11 bucks for 5ml of extract and a 20 to 25% flavor amount. Kind of costly but thanks. That would be about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a-cigs
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I have several tobacco juices I enjoy of Lucky 7's.https://store-pb0xw0k.mybigcommerce.com/
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ce-12ml-2-09-120ml-12-89-1-000ml-54-99-a.html
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