Carto Mystery? Or Something Else? Expert Help Please.
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Although, while I hope they are rare, you may have unknowingly gotten a Frankencarto. Based on appearance, I thought they were Smoktech knock-offs, but, ummm, no.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartomizers/383388-strange-carto.html
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I've also had problems with Boge cartos.
One carto that was about a day old and vaping great suddenly gave me one burnt-tasting hit and was dead. In another, the juice wouldn't soak through, and the first puff was all burnt filler. In almost all of them, the little hole by the screw threads that lets the air in is mostly blocked by some kind of rubber seal.
My thought is that they're having problems getting them assembled.
One carto that was about a day old and vaping great suddenly gave me one burnt-tasting hit and was dead. In another, the juice wouldn't soak through, and the first puff was all burnt filler. In almost all of them, the little hole by the screw threads that lets the air in is mostly blocked by some kind of rubber seal.
My thought is that they're having problems getting them assembled.
I've only used the Boge xl sr pre punched cartos and have had zero problems. I fill them with a syringe to make sure they are saturated. It takes 1.5 mls at least to fill them. Been using them exclusively for 6 months.
Wow, cool thought. We are heading out the door but we just tested. No. No air bubbles. We use those slap yo momma tools, and we also got the drip tip/tool from IBTanks. For more info, that would be bad O Rings on all of our tanks. two Little mamas, two J-tanks, and two brand new 25mm IBtanks... but that doesnt mean that we didnt hurt our tanks, lol. The only time i remember having to "work" the carto in was when i put three holes in mine. I was watching and careful. I dodnt force it in at all. It stopped, I gently changed my angle and it slid right in. easy peasy. I can't speak for hubby.
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I am 100% willing to believe that it is user error, we are noobs. We have only been vaping just over 2 months. But we have been having a great time with it and having no problems (once we got away from stardusts and ego's). I do not know
Wow, cool thought. We are heading out the door but we just tested. No. No air bubbles. We use those slap yo momma tools, and we also got the drip tip/tool from IBTanks. For more info, that would be bad O Rings on all of our tanks. two Little mamas, two J-tanks, and two brand new 25mm IBtanks... but that doesnt mean that we didnt hurt our tanks, lol. The only time i remember having to "work" the carto in was when i put three holes in mine. I was watching and careful. I dodnt force it in at all. It stopped, I gently changed my angle and it slid right in. easy peasy. I can't speak for hubby.
Kk, back tomorrow. Thank you Forum
I am 100% willing to believe that it is user error, we are noobs. We have only been vaping just over 2 months. But we have been having a great time with it and having no problems (once we got away from stardusts and ego's). I do not know
If there are no air bubbles then there is no juice getting into the tanks. Are you're holes punched all the way through the metal? If you have an IBTanked tank you can take the thingy, plastic tube with screw on lid, that the tank came in, and put the tank with carto and juice in it. By opening and closing the lid you will see bubbles escaping from the holes in the carto. If that doesn't happen then I would think either your holes are not punched through the carto or there is something wrong with the orings. But since you said you have a tank tool I would doubt it's an oring problem.
I'm betting on bad carto's at this point. Boge's characteristically have a more densely packed filler material when compared to Smoktechs or Ikenvapes. I don't use them for that reason alone. It seems like this particular batch of Boge's that BassPlayersWife has have petrified filler in them. Especially taking into account that they are tool-punching 3 holes in them in an attempt to get juice into the carto and they are still vaping dry? 
The fact that the resistance is changing in them wildly is another hint that these are bad cartos. I wonder if these are another run of Boge Gate?
I think once the new Smoktechs arrive they will be surprised at the difference. Probably will flood them if they use that many holes again.
The fact that the resistance is changing in them wildly is another hint that these are bad cartos. I wonder if these are another run of Boge Gate?
I think once the new Smoktechs arrive they will be surprised at the difference. Probably will flood them if they use that many holes again.
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Thank you all for the responses.
We have nice hole size in the cartos. I always check to make sure i can see the white filler material before I soak it. I do think that we werent soaking them long enough at one point, maybe 10, 15 minutes. I thought it odd that after soaking so long that the white material in the holes didnt change to the same color as the top, so i kept soaking. I left one in juice all night, but it was still white.
I assume that when i look down the top of the carto and see that wire, that i should stay away from it when punching, so i do. I use its placement for a guide as to where to punch. I tend to to vape hard at times, so i often add drops if the material doesnt look wet under my drip tip, or i check if the hits get "airy."
We do certainly go through the juice on Vivi's, but not as much in tanks so i knew there was a delivery problem but have been diagnosing as I go. We are just too new to be able to know for sure what is going on.
We have enough cartos to make it until the new Kangers get here. MyVaporStore is uberfast on shipping so they will be here soon. God i hope they are great cartos, lol. I will be ordering some smoketechs as well. Once the airy hits come, I already know the carto is about gone, and i am there right now. The top looks slushy, but its not soaking in.
I am about to tear down a dead carto and see if the material was saturated. My carto that was at 1.7 last night, is down to 1.4 now, and airy.
We have nice hole size in the cartos. I always check to make sure i can see the white filler material before I soak it. I do think that we werent soaking them long enough at one point, maybe 10, 15 minutes. I thought it odd that after soaking so long that the white material in the holes didnt change to the same color as the top, so i kept soaking. I left one in juice all night, but it was still white.
I assume that when i look down the top of the carto and see that wire, that i should stay away from it when punching, so i do. I use its placement for a guide as to where to punch. I tend to to vape hard at times, so i often add drops if the material doesnt look wet under my drip tip, or i check if the hits get "airy."
We do certainly go through the juice on Vivi's, but not as much in tanks so i knew there was a delivery problem but have been diagnosing as I go. We are just too new to be able to know for sure what is going on.
We have enough cartos to make it until the new Kangers get here. MyVaporStore is uberfast on shipping so they will be here soon. God i hope they are great cartos, lol. I will be ordering some smoketechs as well. Once the airy hits come, I already know the carto is about gone, and i am there right now. The top looks slushy, but its not soaking in.
I am about to tear down a dead carto and see if the material was saturated. My carto that was at 1.7 last night, is down to 1.4 now, and airy.
I didn't have an APV when it was happening to me so I never checked ohms. I hope the new carts work for you cause I know how frustrating this can be. I had just started using a cartotank & was bewildered.
Sounds just like my wife and I. We also bought 2 Provari's and were switching back and fourth between boge and smoke-tech cartos. Then out of no where it was like there was not one good cart-o in the USA. I tried everything. The fact of the matter is, there is almost no quality control on these products. So ill tell you what i did and maybe it will help you.
1.) Switch it up, Smoke a carto for awhile then maybe switch to a Vivi Nova (The old ones suck the new ones are awesome)
2.) Juice, Juice can make a huge difference in how fast cartos burn up. Some juices burn better then others. This can also depend on the PG/VG base.
3.) Play with your voltage, if your are getting juice in your mouth turn it up. If your getting bad taste turn it down.
4.) Try different amounts of holes, If you are using PG I start with one, VG I make my carto look like Swiss cheese.
Another cool thing for me is rebuild-able attys. It was the only thing that fixed my issue. As much as I vaped a carto a day was getting really expensive. If you or you hubby are tinker-ers or crafty people look into this outlet. Even when I chain vape like I wanted to out of a carto(that would burn out in a day) I'm getting weeks out of my builds. The flavor is nuts and the vapor is unreal.
Anyways happy vaping!!!
BigSteve940
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1.) Switch it up, Smoke a carto for awhile then maybe switch to a Vivi Nova (The old ones suck the new ones are awesome)
2.) Juice, Juice can make a huge difference in how fast cartos burn up. Some juices burn better then others. This can also depend on the PG/VG base.
3.) Play with your voltage, if your are getting juice in your mouth turn it up. If your getting bad taste turn it down.
4.) Try different amounts of holes, If you are using PG I start with one, VG I make my carto look like Swiss cheese.
Another cool thing for me is rebuild-able attys. It was the only thing that fixed my issue. As much as I vaped a carto a day was getting really expensive. If you or you hubby are tinker-ers or crafty people look into this outlet. Even when I chain vape like I wanted to out of a carto(that would burn out in a day) I'm getting weeks out of my builds. The flavor is nuts and the vapor is unreal.
Anyways happy vaping!!!
BigSteve940
Firefighter/Paramedic
Thank you Big Steve. While hubby loves to tinker, and i do as well ... given i have the time, lol... I cannot possibly seeing paying one more penny on new system/gear at this point, lol. In under 3 months we have been through 3 different systems.. hundreds of dollars spent on each one, lol. Over a $1000.00 in DIY supplies so that we can make our own juice. And we did get some extra nic in case the FDA comes a calling to our Vaping world.
I love vaping more than i ever loved smoking, and I LOVED smoking, lol. I would not have ever quit smoking if hubby hadnt... or.. maybe if I didnt like kissing him so much, LOL. But I digress. I love carto/tanking. I am not into spending $4 a day on cartos for us.. but I believe we can figure this out.
One thing i am sure of; there is some person out there right this moment trying to figure out how to make a buck. And when that person finds out how to make a great carto, we will have them. I am already talking to a very old friend that owns a machine shop about what a "perfect" tank needs
If i could get him to vape, i know i could design the perfect tank (for hubby and i anyway) and he would build them. But as he doesnt vape, he has no idea about the demand.
Guess it's my time to chime in. I started on the ego with a clearomizer, yea.... I'm not smoking. Then because I'm a noob and didn't know about rolling the liquid around, I started getting dry hits after a week or so and it really fudged up my mouth and throat. The very day I was gonna give up, the vivi novas arrived. Yea.... back in vaping heaven. Dry mouth and throat gone in just a short time of getting great vapes. Advanced to the lil mama and a jtank. Oh boy.... life gets even better. Just love tanking. I tanked for a couple weeks with no problems. All of a sudden a few days ago everything went South. I wasn't getting the taste and my throat started getting sore. I know.... I should be able to know when I'm getting a dry hit, right? I'm still a noob. But in my defense, I wasn't sure what the problem was yet. Was it the new juice that hadn't quite steeped? I just didn't quite know. I started to reason it out and all I could think was that I had just opened a new box of boge 510. Was this the problem? Bad batch of boges? See the problem was is they started good but with no warning all of sudden bad dry vapes. Even filled a new one and vaped for a couple hours before bed and all is good. Set it down, woke up next morning and somehow during the night the carto devil came in and took possession of my new carto cause it was no good when I woke up....dry hits. I went through carto after carto. Good start, and then BS. Until something comes to light, I'm convinced that I have a bad batch of cartos. If that is the case then you know that foul word that starts with an "F"..... well put that in front of boge and you'll have my sentiments. Oh.... late breaking news. Wife is dissecting one of my cartos right now that has been properly primed and yes.... the packing is so tight that she cannot get a needle into it whatsoever. Anyway.... that's my sad story, lol. Thanks to the forum and all the help. Just love that all of you are so helpful.
Update: Wife has found one carto with extremely tight packing. Next carto she finds is soaking juice beatifully and doesn't have the tight packing. Maybe we have found the problem. Once again, thanks to the forum for all the help.
Update: Wife has found one carto with extremely tight packing. Next carto she finds is soaking juice beatifully and doesn't have the tight packing. Maybe we have found the problem. Once again, thanks to the forum for all the help.
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Saw, if your out there.. from the old box of spent cartos.. there isnt room for me to even get a needle in there.. i had to tear some out bit by bit to make room for the syringe needle. I went and got a brnd new box of cartos and opened one. This one has much less filler in it.
*edit.. stunning how much faster the new box of cartos is absorbing. still soaking it though. Its not like we just went through one box of bad cartos. Hubby had one box, and i had one. So even if this box is better, i am still skeert
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You may have hit the nail on the head brother. Wife has pulled apart a couple of cartos now and the first was so tight that she couldn't get a needle in the filler material. The next seems fine. Also noticed a difference when priming as the one that seems good is soaking up ejuice a lot faster than expected. I think we just got a bad batch of boges.
Update: filler is only wet at top, dry at bottom. Coil is not damaged from punch holes. Coil however is burnt up. Throughout the filler the "wetness" is splotchy. Wet in some spots, completely dry in others. Inside against coil is wet but as pulling apart towards outside it is very dry. Thanks for your help.
Yeah I don't know what to tell you, maybe some old stock from Bogegate? Like I say, I'd try and order some pre-punched and I think you'll be a lot happier! Sounds like those were designed to hold a lot of liquid, not for tank use?
Happy and sorry all at the same time! Glad you got it figured out at least! I still can't say why the resistance was changing, unless the filler material was burning the coil up?
Could be that the tight filler was burning up the coil. Looks as if though it was indeed a bad batch. So, question.... Do you think that before I even attempt to prime a carto that I should poke around the filler material to see if it's too tight? Would this be an answer to determining if I'm about to get into trouble with another bad carto? Or.... do you think one can tell such if it is new and dry? Keep in mind that I would be so careful in doing this and only trying to determine if I'm wasting my time on a carto that isn't gonna work anyway. Any input you can give me will be very much appreciated. Thanks for your time and concern brother.
You might be able to check new carto's filler by taking something like a sharp pointed needle or fine point tweezers, whatever tool like that, and try to test the quality of the filler material in the top of the carto. It sounds like what you currently have is what I jokingly called "pertrified" earlier.
Not generally a fan of Boges because of their notoriously packed filler, but I know with the Ikenvape and Smoketek cartos I have that you can tease or prod the filler up into strands or tuffs.
So compare the old with the new...try to make a comparison.
Not generally a fan of Boges because of their notoriously packed filler, but I know with the Ikenvape and Smoketek cartos I have that you can tease or prod the filler up into strands or tuffs.
So compare the old with the new...try to make a comparison.
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