Catfish atty mods.
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Tellin' you right here right now, I'm not buying an atty with a catfish with nuts!
Like Bob's, my Cyclones run totally dry as well, unless I over-squonk them to the point where juice runs out of the air hole. This is with a standard cap, not AFC. With the AFC cap, I did have some seepage due to condensation. This makes me wonder what accounts for the difference. How big was your air hole? What PG/VG ratio do you use? How much power were you putting into that little atty?
That's a good test but it only proves insufficient seal at the seam near the drip tip. If there was near, to no gap where the AFC ring meets the top of the top cap there wouldn't be that much air trying to find its way through in the first place. The difference in hight you see when mounting the AFC ring upside down is the same gap that ends up being under the ring between it and the top cap when remounting the AFC ring right side up. The edges of the AFC ring hit the top cap at the outer edges before the inner AFC air hole surfaces have a chance to mate properly. The mating surfaces of the air holes need to contact each other before the AFC can be effective.
LOL, now I'm going to have to fix one and take pic's!
Really glad you concur with that upside-down difference. Guess the copper is softest and will need the most polishing.That's a good test but it only proves insufficient seal at the seam near the drip tip. If there was near, to no gap where the AFC ring meets the top of the top cap there wouldn't be that much air trying to find its way through in the first place. The difference in hight you see when mounting the AFC ring upside down is the same gap that ends up being under the ring between it and the top cap when remounting the AFC ring right side up. The edges of the AFC ring hit the top cap at the outer edges before the inner AFC air hole surfaces have a chance to mate properly. The mating surfaces of the air holes need to contact each other before the AFC can be effective.
LOL, now I'm going to have to fix one and take pic's!
Just an FYI... I disagree with about 75% of people's opinions on the different BF attics that CH has converted/sold. For example, I could not get a good vape out of the Veritas until I stuck a big fat horizontal coil right in front of the air hole, which is exactly opposite of what most people here say is the way to get good flavor out of it.
I also don't have a lot of luck using really thick wire (24, 22) except in very airy atties like the Zenith. Of course I don't use the Zenith much because for me it leaks like a sieve from everywhere an atty can leak from, but that is a different post.
I love my cyclones with the standard cap, but I always drill them out to about 1/16 because I hate feeling like I'm trying to suck a golfball through a garden hose, but they hardly leak. The AFC cap an the other hard always leaks for me. Also I could never get a decent dual coil build on the cyclone that doesn't overheat and overpower the little chamber. So for me the cyclone is a single coil limited airflow vape, but the flavor is great.
On the other hand I love the BF Odin for a dual micro coil setup (.5 ohms) with the AFC wide open. For me it gives just enough airflow to get great direct lung hits without having to build monster coils that run at 0.2 ohms (which I won't do on my REOs anyways)
What I'm trying to say is that there are always a lot of opinions thrown around this thread like they are facts when everyone seems to have different experiences and different vaping styles. For example, on the Rouge I have the AFC sucks bad .... I can make it work by building really low ohms so there is so much vapor that all the air coming in just helps with vapor creation, but for me using it is a pain in the (insert curse word here) I swapped out o-rings and tightened them up with floss so it's just about impossible to get the top airflow cap on and off and it still has air coming in from seemingly all directions. It looked like a great concept for an atty, but in my experience it failed (or at least the clone of it failed). Now this opinion seems to be more commonly voiced in this thread in the last week or so, but there are plenty of other atties that get thrown out there as incredible and you must not like direct to lung vaping if you don't like this specific atty.
I have high hopes for the Derringer because of it's ultra small chamber and an AFC that looks like it will work correctly, but I'm also worried that with the small chamber and the AFC sitting right there with the coils, it may turn out to be a squonking nightmare. Depending upon the VG percentage and the ambient temperature, a 1/2 squonk could cause lovely waterfalls straight out of the air holes. So I have high hopes, but realistic notions that it may not work at all for how I vape. Even if everyone else thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Maybe it's just the nature of the beast. Over in the REO sub forum the consensus pretty much falls on the side of small chambered mouth to lung atties. If you think the RM2 is not the best atty you have ever owned you really must not be using it correctly and if you diss the Chalice you are a complete idiot. An opinion that I know for a fact was part of the reason CH started doing his own BF conversions which eventually led to what you see here. It would be nice if that same attitude didn't start permeating through this thread.
After all this rambling I keep trying to come to a point (without much success). I'm trying to say that I wish people would be a little more open minded when it comes to different vaping experiences with CH converted atties. Different atties fit different folks, it doesn't mean that people are not using it correctly, or that they are wrong when they say they hate one of them. A perfect example is the Plume Veil. I swear that atty has an almost perfect 50/50 split on options that it's either the best atty they have ever used in their life, or it's a complete pile of dog feces with hardly any middle ground. Love it or hate it. Most atties have a much bigger middle ground. I really didn't understand the hype with the Veritas until I (out of desperation) tried a single horizontal coil which finally worked for me, and I know I personally felt like I must have been doing something wrong because everyone loved it and people who said they didn't either had to change their mind or were written off as just someone who likes to complain or just plain don't know what they are doing.
So there is my friggin blog post. Take it as you will. I think the conclusion is probably "All Vapers are different, cut everyone some slack you opinionated ayasses."
Oh and also this is the absolute perfect reason why ECF should allow CH atty trading. What's horrible for one person could fit someone else's vape style perfectly.
The end.
I also don't have a lot of luck using really thick wire (24, 22) except in very airy atties like the Zenith. Of course I don't use the Zenith much because for me it leaks like a sieve from everywhere an atty can leak from, but that is a different post.
I love my cyclones with the standard cap, but I always drill them out to about 1/16 because I hate feeling like I'm trying to suck a golfball through a garden hose, but they hardly leak. The AFC cap an the other hard always leaks for me. Also I could never get a decent dual coil build on the cyclone that doesn't overheat and overpower the little chamber. So for me the cyclone is a single coil limited airflow vape, but the flavor is great.
On the other hand I love the BF Odin for a dual micro coil setup (.5 ohms) with the AFC wide open. For me it gives just enough airflow to get great direct lung hits without having to build monster coils that run at 0.2 ohms (which I won't do on my REOs anyways)
What I'm trying to say is that there are always a lot of opinions thrown around this thread like they are facts when everyone seems to have different experiences and different vaping styles. For example, on the Rouge I have the AFC sucks bad .... I can make it work by building really low ohms so there is so much vapor that all the air coming in just helps with vapor creation, but for me using it is a pain in the (insert curse word here) I swapped out o-rings and tightened them up with floss so it's just about impossible to get the top airflow cap on and off and it still has air coming in from seemingly all directions. It looked like a great concept for an atty, but in my experience it failed (or at least the clone of it failed). Now this opinion seems to be more commonly voiced in this thread in the last week or so, but there are plenty of other atties that get thrown out there as incredible and you must not like direct to lung vaping if you don't like this specific atty.
I have high hopes for the Derringer because of it's ultra small chamber and an AFC that looks like it will work correctly, but I'm also worried that with the small chamber and the AFC sitting right there with the coils, it may turn out to be a squonking nightmare. Depending upon the VG percentage and the ambient temperature, a 1/2 squonk could cause lovely waterfalls straight out of the air holes. So I have high hopes, but realistic notions that it may not work at all for how I vape. Even if everyone else thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Maybe it's just the nature of the beast. Over in the REO sub forum the consensus pretty much falls on the side of small chambered mouth to lung atties. If you think the RM2 is not the best atty you have ever owned you really must not be using it correctly and if you diss the Chalice you are a complete idiot. An opinion that I know for a fact was part of the reason CH started doing his own BF conversions which eventually led to what you see here. It would be nice if that same attitude didn't start permeating through this thread.
After all this rambling I keep trying to come to a point (without much success). I'm trying to say that I wish people would be a little more open minded when it comes to different vaping experiences with CH converted atties. Different atties fit different folks, it doesn't mean that people are not using it correctly, or that they are wrong when they say they hate one of them. A perfect example is the Plume Veil. I swear that atty has an almost perfect 50/50 split on options that it's either the best atty they have ever used in their life, or it's a complete pile of dog feces with hardly any middle ground. Love it or hate it. Most atties have a much bigger middle ground. I really didn't understand the hype with the Veritas until I (out of desperation) tried a single horizontal coil which finally worked for me, and I know I personally felt like I must have been doing something wrong because everyone loved it and people who said they didn't either had to change their mind or were written off as just someone who likes to complain or just plain don't know what they are doing.
So there is my friggin blog post. Take it as you will. I think the conclusion is probably "All Vapers are different, cut everyone some slack you opinionated ayasses."
Oh and also this is the absolute perfect reason why ECF should allow CH atty trading. What's horrible for one person could fit someone else's vape style perfectly.
The end.
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Oh and on a different note..... is there a price set yet for the Derringer Chowderhead? I'm always late when it comes to seeing the post where you say they are ready and just waiting for the people who wanted them to actually get off their butts and pay for them. Real life keeps friggin ruining my forum reading time and you Chowder-heads talk a lot. (this from the guy who just posted a small book as a reply)
Ken
Ken
You mean to say... I'm not a ...... for not loving the chalice 3?! :O
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Oh and on a different note..... is there a price set yet for the Derringer Chowderhead? I'm always late when it comes to seeing the post where you say they are ready and just waiting for the people who wanted them to actually get off their butts and pay for them. Real life keeps friggin ruining my forum reading time and you Chowder-heads talk a lot. (this from the guy who just posted a small book as a reply)
Ken
Not yet but hopefully before the weekend.
Well said, Ken! I like to try and give my own personal experiences and preferences with the various attys I have or have tried. I'm with you on the Veritas. I've had a couple of builds and can't seem to hit my sweet spot. Of course, I've been using dual verticals and different wicking methods. I might try your single horizontal to see what I get. I absolutely love my Rogue, probably my number one atty at the moment. I had a Cyclone, with the AFC and wasn't a fan and traded it off to another member. For me, it did leak madly and couldn't get the vape quality and quantity I like. I have 2 genuine Odins which, for now, have been taking a rest. They do produce some nice vapor and flavor but leaks like a sieve. My EhPro Atomic works like a charm, and leaks just slightly if I oversquonk, or lay my Reo on it's side. I can go on, but as you say, everyone's vaping requirements are all different. What is perfect for me, may be awful for you and a number of others. I'm a straight lung, low ohm vaper, and that's what I base my preferences on. Others are MTL vapers and many of these 22mm airy attys aren't their cup of tea. Great! I'm happy that there is such a wide variety of attys to cater to all styles. I won't badmouth anyone for not liking a certain atty. I might encourage them to give it some more time, or try this or that, but if it's not their style, that's ok. A big reason why I'd love to see us being able to trade, sell, whatever.
Have a happy day all! It's back to work today.
Have a happy day all! It's back to work today
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I won't have a final price on the Derringer until I have taken one apart and rebuilt it with the corrected stainless post. But I am planning on $80-85 depending on if I need to buy even more tools and materials. I already have a heap of stainless round stock, taps, dies, hardware; $300 worth this week alone in anticipation of the Derringer.
I may be late to the party but I thought the derringer was releasing with a gold plated post?
GO PACK GO!
GO PACK GO!
So you are going ahead with the replacing of the center post. Awesome man
GO PACK GO!
Strike out on Suppliers Admin..
"cannot allow member trades in his advertising thread(s) - only Forum Suppliers can have trades in their dedicated forums and only of their products. Member Sales are only permitted in the classifieds.
Members will have to do trades in the classifieds for his goods if Classifieds allows as they have a completely independent set of rules regarding what is allowed or not."
I hope this clarifies why Reo and NT have their trade thread. It's for their product only, within their forum. Everything else goes to the Classifieds.
I'm going to contact the Classifieds Admin next and see what they think about allowing y'all to trade/sell CAM modified stuff on there.
Back when I have more info.
"cannot allow member trades in his advertising thread(s) - only Forum Suppliers can have trades in their dedicated forums and only of their products. Member Sales are only permitted in the classifieds.
Members will have to do trades in the classifieds for his goods if Classifieds allows as they have a completely independent set of rules regarding what is allowed or not."
I hope this clarifies why Reo and NT have their trade thread. It's for their product only, within their forum. Everything else goes to the Classifieds.
I'm going to contact the Classifieds Admin next and see what they think about allowing y'all to trade/sell CAM modified stuff on there.
Back when I have more info.
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