Catfish atty mods.
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I regretfully have to withdraw from the Reactor list, #6. KAKA really does happen sometimes. My apologies CH, I hope this doesn't cause problems. I'll be back, just not this month.
coop
No problem Coop... Thanks for doing it like a man and not waiting until I sent the "payment" pm.. Says a lot about character! Come back ANY time Coop...
i only have American mods. Just scanned my desk.
I think the line is "i wasn't from Texas but got here as fast as i could."
T
I think the line is "i wasn't from Texas but got here as fast as i could."
T
True story! I'm pretty sure I'm up over 200 cyclone/Divo conversions. I get a lot of cyclone send ins. Lately it's been all about the Magma's and semi clones CLT and the MutationX.
Agreed... Personally I'm more excited about a fusion shaved down enough to clear the door without rubbing. I would settle for a thin top cap if need be. 21-21.5 gets that done.... Maybe someday Rob will make a 22mm topped Reo. The Reo Deuce Deuce for the win! We now have the contacts and the battery tech for big boy attys but no top deck alas the 21-21.5.
Kentastic makes a great point here. There doesn't need to be any room under the coil for wick or juice reserve in a bottom feeder. It would be great if both the wire capture points were lower and the AFC holes also lined up to a lower coil position.
My favorite BF atties, so far, are 20mm or less and have relatively low coil/air intake to deck height without AFC. Simple lightweight toppers get my attention 
&$'s.
Sure there are a few larger ones such as the Odin that I like with MM ... but sticking a big heavy top on a SL to go out'n about ... well ... um... chuckles.
&$'s.Sure there are a few larger ones such as the Odin that I like with MM ... but sticking a big heavy top on a SL to go out'n about ... well ... um... chuckles.
Sounds great, but I disagree about a vote. People vote for all kinds of junk when it doesn't effect them, I'd go for an "dibs" list. Same results except people are actually semi-committing to a purchase. I say semi because you are not "forced" to buy anything or be shunned or banned or anything, but it still would judge the interest in the different prototyped if they become a retail version to purchase rather than an arbitrary vote of "yeah that one looks kind of neat... Oh I don't want one, but I like the look of it." votes. LOL
Just throwing out suggestions.
It sounds like people are all over the board on finishes. I don't know exactly how much work goes into a satin finish, as compared to a polished and I assume the brushed finish is the easiest. So maybe brushed as base price with a $5 and $10 add on as it takes more work to finish?
Yeah, keeping things close to the deck works incredibly well for bottom feeders. Means as soon as you start squeezing the bottle, the juice is instantly soaking your coils. It really is a whole different concept that dripping down from the top either through the drip tip/hole or by taking the top cap off. We don't need deep juice wells, or space for wicking, or clearance to be able to drip juice close to the coils, as long as the juice can come out the feed hole, saturate the wick and any excess go back down the juice hole we don't have to mess with any of that.
Which is why the RM2 and the Chalice atomizers can have screw on top caps. Not that I think this atomizer needs a screw on cap. I actually am not crazy about the things, but us squonkers do have a tendency to set it and forget it when it comes to the deck/coil/wick of our atomizers.
One other suggestion. If you are going to go smaller than the 19mm size for the flavor chasers, then you should go all the way and make the deck like the Magma/Yaeliq/Chalice and have the air come in from the side and go up underneath the coil(s). This seems to be a key component when people classify an atomizer as a "flavor chaser" atty. At least that's what I've seen and what I have experienced. Air coming from below a coil and carrying the vapor straight out the drip tip seems to be a hallmark of the massive flavor category.
Just my $0.02 and I guarantee it's worth every penny.
later,
Ken
Just throwing out suggestions.
It sounds like people are all over the board on finishes. I don't know exactly how much work goes into a satin finish, as compared to a polished and I assume the brushed finish is the easiest. So maybe brushed as base price with a $5 and $10 add on as it takes more work to finish?
Yeah, keeping things close to the deck works incredibly well for bottom feeders. Means as soon as you start squeezing the bottle, the juice is instantly soaking your coils. It really is a whole different concept that dripping down from the top either through the drip tip/hole or by taking the top cap off. We don't need deep juice wells, or space for wicking, or clearance to be able to drip juice close to the coils, as long as the juice can come out the feed hole, saturate the wick and any excess go back down the juice hole we don't have to mess with any of that.
Which is why the RM2 and the Chalice atomizers can have screw on top caps. Not that I think this atomizer needs a screw on cap. I actually am not crazy about the things, but us squonkers do have a tendency to set it and forget it when it comes to the deck/coil/wick of our atomizers.
One other suggestion. If you are going to go smaller than the 19mm size for the flavor chasers, then you should go all the way and make the deck like the Magma/Yaeliq/Chalice and have the air come in from the side and go up underneath the coil(s). This seems to be a key component when people classify an atomizer as a "flavor chaser" atty. At least that's what I've seen and what I have experienced. Air coming from below a coil and carrying the vapor straight out the drip tip seems to be a hallmark of the massive flavor category.
Just my $0.02 and I guarantee it's worth every penny.
later,
Ken
I'm sorry Chowder but after a long look at photo's of the Odin, I find I just can't get over the overhang issues when mounted on a Reo. Therefore, I have regretfully removed myself from the list.
You might be surprised. Although I think to make it work on most everything you would have to be under 16 like maybe 15mm. Then I would imagine fitting flow control would be tough. Even so with supply for Divos and Cyclones running out there aren't to many other options for bf under 16mm.
Cyclones are not running out. Just the old style pre-2014 cyclone stock is running out, and there still is both the RM2 and RM3, but there sure isn't a wide range of options that's for sure.
Ken
P.S. New Chalice is supposed to be released soon, so if you spending more on an atomizer than the mod you are going to use it on then there is that option.
Ken
P.S. New Chalice is supposed to be released soon, so if you spending more on an atomizer than the mod you are going to use it on then there is that option.
Ken: why the hate on the standard coil height? Low coils equal low afc hole equal leaks (think cyclone afc). I'll take second place taste and zero leaks over the contrary. I hate leaks! This is what brought about the low juice holes. There's just no way I can champion leaks vs saving 3mm of atty height. I am not suggesting the stilted coils of the quasar either. My deck plan was a fusion of the negative posts and outer deck of the Zenith with a T like the plume, clt, etc but with the T twisted 90 degrees to save space and bring the coils in on the ends of the T. Spec'ed with 3mm terminations and a 2.5mm center bore with a grub screw in the center to restrict juice flow if needed, would act as an adjustable choke for lower VG blends.
Cyclones are not running out. Just the old style pre-2014 cyclone stock is running out, and there still is both the RM2 and RM3, but there sure isn't a wide range of options that's for sure.
Ken
P.S. New Chalice is supposed to be released soon, so if you spending more on an atomizer than the mod you are going to use it on then there is that option.
And it's a fine option for those wanting a $200 piece of art work that does single coil exclusively. Very cool no doubt but for what you would pay for one of them you could buy 2 American made purpose built VPCFX's and have enough left over to buy a year's supply of kanthal and cotton from people you can get in touch with quickly.
I agree with the low air hole and leaking issue. I think my hate stems from the Atomic for bottom feeding. I guess I should be a little more clear. I really really wanted to like the Atomic as a bottom feeder because it's the only atty I've tried that really looked perfect on the LP Reos, but I had nothing but problems with both how high the post holes were and also how I kept breaking EHPro Atomic Clones, and it was always the same thing. Posts coming out of their press fittings because of the amount of pressure put on them by having the post so tall and the post holes so far away from the deck. I've never had a problem with "average hight" posts. So I guess I should say I don't need really low coil mounting... just not overly high. LOL
I can't quite picture your center post design in my head, but lack of sleep (insomnia) is probably a factor. I'm really not against regular hight coils. I have no problem with the design of the Odin (and I really love the wire trap on the negative screws) I was just channeling my Atomic pain into hate on all deck designs that are made for top down dripping where you need a ton of room for juice wells and extra wick so you don't have to drip as often. If I was actually designing an bottom fed atty, that's the kind of things I would take in consideration.
You know what I'd really like..... a Magma that has everything shrunk down about 1/3, with shallow juice wells and a more reduced chamber. (also fix the leaking out of the air holes issue by making a lip around the air hole exhaust holes to make it harder for juice to get into them) Which is why I mentioned the airflow from under the coils idea. I don't think most bottom fed mod users are cloud chasing. Not to say they don't like a lot of vapor, just most are more focused on flavor with their vapor.
later,
Ken
I can't quite picture your center post design in my head, but lack of sleep (insomnia) is probably a factor. I'm really not against regular hight coils. I have no problem with the design of the Odin (and I really love the wire trap on the negative screws) I was just channeling my Atomic pain into hate on all deck designs that are made for top down dripping where you need a ton of room for juice wells and extra wick so you don't have to drip as often. If I was actually designing an bottom fed atty, that's the kind of things I would take in consideration.
You know what I'd really like..... a Magma that has everything shrunk down about 1/3, with shallow juice wells and a more reduced chamber. (also fix the leaking out of the air holes issue by making a lip around the air hole exhaust holes to make it harder for juice to get into them) Which is why I mentioned the airflow from under the coils idea. I don't think most bottom fed mod users are cloud chasing. Not to say they don't like a lot of vapor, just most are more focused on flavor with their vapor.
later,
Ken
Which is why I will probably never get one unless by some miracle I end up with one from a trade or some other drastically reduced pricing. I was just informing the masses.
Ken
Much better... I agree with most of these points, the only disagreement I would have with any of it would be the issue with the failing posts on the Atomic. I have only seen that once on an EHPro. TheAtomic is where I started drilling. I started drilling them long before the RM4 was a thought. In my opinion the Atomic makes a good general purpose atty that looks great on a Grand. It helps you decide which side of the flavor vs volume argument you are on. I thought I was a flavor junkie but the Atomic made me realize volume is more important to me. I will stipulate the stock screws are evil coil slicing beasts. (Fixable with a nail file)
Now your mini-magma low rider is something I have been after since my first use of the magma. I have never had leaking issues with mine however; I believe it has something to do with wick location/routing. Make sure you transition the wick with no,sharp transitions and cut off the short end so it doesn't make contact with the top of the deck. I brought up the idea of a mini-Magma yesterday to VPX and he seemed interested which surprised me. I would love to build a 18-19mm low top Magma for all the reasons you mentioned as well as its one of the best looking attys I have seen to date. I actually thought about filling them with epoxy when I firs did them and drill through the epoxy after drilling the center bore. I think a 2/3 scale Veritas with a better center pin concept could be awesome as well. I would do a cyclone type center pin threaded to the existing nut and rod system. I feel like such a noob because I have never tried a Veritas but I do love the dynamics of it. If nothing else with a supply of quality blank center pins I could do the regular sized version easily.
Now your mini-magma low rider is something I have been after since my first use of the magma. I have never had leaking issues with mine however; I believe it has something to do with wick location/routing. Make sure you transition the wick with no,sharp transitions and cut off the short end so it doesn't make contact with the top of the deck. I brought up the idea of a mini-Magma yesterday to VPX and he seemed interested which surprised me. I would love to build a 18-19mm low top Magma for all the reasons you mentioned as well as its one of the best looking attys I have seen to date. I actually thought about filling them with epoxy when I firs did them and drill through the epoxy after drilling the center bore. I think a 2/3 scale Veritas with a better center pin concept could be awesome as well. I would do a cyclone type center pin threaded to the existing nut and rod system. I feel like such a noob because I have never tried a Veritas but I do love the dynamics of it. If nothing else with a supply of quality blank center pins I could do the regular sized version easily.
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