CDC Finally Saying Stop Vaping THC

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bombastinator

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Thanks @bombastinator and @AttyPops.

I agree very much others here who have written in various threads, it is possible that there is more then one cause at play in the recent reports of lung illness, that we shouldn't assume there is only the one (the black market THC cart cause). It's also possible about 30% of the kids are not telling the truth, but I suppose it's also possible some recent e-liquids that are being sold have used flavorings that have harmful oils (or something else). There are so many e-juice manufacturers now, it is hard to know which are legit.

I guess we will see, but I am content with the CDC needing time to investigate.
Oh I believe the black market THC issue to be by far the primary culprit. Very probably the only real one. All I am saying is there may be some zebras in their field of horses though and the CDC system is not well equipped to find them quickly, or possibly at all. Those zebras may preclude the CDC from making a definitive statement.
 

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Here is an interview with our friend Scott that I posted in the Cannabis Sub-Forum.

This is Pretty Late in coming.

But our friend Scott does make the Necessary Points.



BTW - Scott has been about the 1st Person to mention that out of the 15% or so people who have said that they Only use a Nicotine e-Cigarette that they might not be Admitting to using THC.

A Very Salient Point. And something the CDC has Refused to Mention.

Because it has allowed them to Keep the Door Open to their e-Cigarette FUD Campaign against Nicotine Harm Reduction.
 
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iirc vitamin E by itself can be toxic in high enough doses. Perhaps two problems at once

I looked into this recently, the ld50 for v-e is very high.
I believe all the fat soluble vitamins can be toxic at high concentrations.

our friend Scott

Sarcasm? He is no friend of mine.
 

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Sarcasm? He is no friend of mine.

It was sorta Half n' Half.

Because Scott did kinda throw us Under the Bus before he left the FDA.

But by the Same Token, who Extended the Deeming Deadlines? And basically took a Look-the other-Way approach to New Products?

Not sure about Anyone else? But just about All of the Hardware I use Daily was released Post 8-8-16.
 

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Yeah me too. The USA seems so crazy now that sarcasm is kind of ineffective difficult to recognize.
Someone here said that on the internet sarcasm is indicated by [green] green [/green] lettering. No confirmation put it could be.

I don’t even know how to do it. I never learned html.
 
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Someone here said that on the internet sarcasm is indicated by [green] green [/green] lettering. No confirmation put it could be.

I don’t even know how to do it. I never learned html.
The fourth button from the left is text color
 

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I believe all the fat soluble vitamins can be toxic at high concentrations.
Vitamin A will kill you at levels reachable through over supplementing by not that awfully much. That's why we can only buy beta-carotene supps (pro-vitamin a) which naturally converts to vitamin A as needed.

Thanks... yes... to the FDA.

(Potassium, one of the 2 electrolytic minerals, (sodium being the other) will also cause heart failure in high enough concentrations, but it would take a pretty enthusiastic overdose to get there.)
 

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No, I don't find the CDC behind flavor bans. That's the FDA. The CDC is not a regulatory agency.
The CDC is who everybody is citing as their "authority. They may not have the political authority, but that's not what I said. I said "justification."

And yes, it is upon the word of the CDC that theses politicians are hanging their actions, whether the CDC is actually pulling the trigger or not.
 

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Nope. Sorry.
My governor, for example, cited "Youth vaping crisis" (as in nicotine addiction) as the reason for a "flavor ban". And that started, I think, before the CDC even released any information.

There are multiple things going on here at once. Which is why everyone's spidey sense is going nuts. We have:
New BT HNB products just approved.
Upcoming PMTA in May.
"Save the children" flavor bans.
"Vaping disease outbreak".

The CDC is only involved in that last one.
 

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There are multiple things going on here at once. Which is why everyone's spidey sense is going nuts. We have:
New BT HNB products just approved.
Upcoming PMTA in May.
"Save the children" flavor bans.
"Vaping disease outbreak".

The CDC is only involved in that last one.
Yeah, but the last one, the one that the CDC is involved with, is the one that really turned the tide against us. Without any illness or death, much of the public had a live-and-let live attitude toward vaping. That has now changed. :(

Heck, it even has a few old-time vapers wondering whether they should try to quit.
 
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